So let me get this straight... Russia has been relying on nuclear weapons as their #1 offensive weapon against the U.S. for over 40 years...has indoctinated all their officers about nuclear war being winnable...built massive undergroud cities to protect themselves...has a drunken buffoon threating us about nuclear war(Boris)...in general is primed for wining a nuclear conflict...and yet!...and yet!...after all these plans they have made it looks like when 2000 hits no one can be absolutley sure that these nukes and their control systems will work correctly......and with stakes this high you really have to be 100% sure....I mean ...if they don't work then you are totally vulnerable...you can't just tell the world that your weapons don't work now can you?....So what do you do?....what to do?????...

Well, lets get into the Russian Generals mind shall we......

"Looks like its now or never comrades...we can't take the chance that our nukes could have problems...I mean by God we know the rest of our country is going to be toast as it is...no,no,no, we must strike while we can and this Y2K is going to be our defense..we must get one of our operatives into Norad to confuse the Americans when they see our missiles launch...they will say its only Y2k glitches,convince them they don't want to be responsible for starting a nuclear war because Russia had a few "problems" right??...meanwhile our missiles will be on their way and by the time the Americans figure it out it will be too late....AND we must get the Chinese on our side...they have millions of troops that will be useful to subjugate the Americans....no my comrads, we must make a decision now, whether to fight this war and use our might that we have built up over 40 years...or risk losing it and becoming a third rate power dependant on the West...and I promise you, if we fight this war, we will win!...and then the entire world will be ours to do with as we please!"

So...if you were a paranoid Russian General what would you do???

-- people are (doomed@byebye.world), December 12, 1999

Answers

I always hope for the best...Experience, however, has shown me to prepare for the worst. The fact is- I never personally figured that the Soviets were gone and done. I even argued with a relative of mine about it many times...She had taken in a Foreign Exchange student from Russia and told me in no certain terms that the Soviet powers were done for and gone. Uh-huh. Now this comes to light. Well, if they send missiles our way we will send missile their way and China gets into and Britain and Isreal and so on....hope they have a tropical rainforest down there as well as food for say....300+ years? Even if we get nothing off the ground and take all the hits...that kind of damage will reach out beyond our shores....it will destroy the atmosphere, destroy the planet....won't kill everything but a nuclear Winter is likely...and even if they have horticulture and farming equip in there...their country isn't much in the agricultural feild now...imagine how well things will grow afterwards. So.....I guess it comes down to whether these things have been thought out or not.

A planet of fools.....so sad. The galaxy must be laughing.

-- Satanta (StrangeDre@ms.com), December 12, 1999.

The Russians are an old and venerable culture. They are not stupid. When New Years comes (on January 16th for them) they will get very drunk on vodka.

However, the Chechens have stolen much from them, including probably nuclear materials. So let's be more realistically paranoid, in 2000 the Chechens nuke the Russians and Saddam hits us with biologicals.

Just getting things back on track.

-- Forrest Covington (theforrest@mindspring.com), December 12, 1999.

"it will destroy the atmosphere, destroy the planet....won't kill everything but a nuclear Winter is likely...and even if they have horticulture and farming equip in there...their country isn't much in the agricultural feild now...imagine how well things will grow afterwards"

People still believe this nuclear winter fairy tale? Sheesh. I guess it show you how powerful a blatant lie can be.

For some facts try http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000vKF http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000vD4 http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000v59 http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000puv http://home.earthlink.net/~kenseger/surv

-- Ken Seger (kenseger@earthlink.net), December 12, 1999.

It concerns me that Russia and China are so close now. China, as well, has already threatened us regarding Taiwan - "... did we want to trade Taiwan for LA?".

It is truly a tense situation. I could easily see that Russia would want to use this situation as their only hope, prior to Y2K uncertainties, to strike. There have been reports of Russia already having the suitcase nukes in this country. Could they use them to weaken certain cities and/or infrastuctures and then strike with their subs off our coasts?

Will China strike Taiwan? If so, what does Russia do alongside?

Perhaps every beach head will be used: cyber attacks on our systems + networks, internal terrorists attacks on our infrastructure, biological and/or chemical attacks on cities and, once weakened, nukes on large metro areas and defense systems.

And will China, Russia, etc. wait for the rollover? If their systems might be compromised by the rollover then wouldn't the attacks come prior to the rollover? How much earlier?

From where I sit, I wouldn't be planning any significant travel away from home after Christmas. I have already told my daughter that once home from college she is staying close to home and won't return to college until it looks like major threats are past and the Y2K problems have subsided if TS HTF.

Lord help us all. The majority of the world's population hates our guts. China and Russia have been rattling their swords lately. Our foreign policy is a joke. Our sitting president has completely obliderated our military. We have troups spread all over the world and have very few troups at home. Readiness is poor. Morale is poor. Our experienced military men are bailing out in droves. Our president is giving away our secrets to China. We give away the Panama canal and now China will be managing it. And the list goes on and on. "But it's the economy, stupid!" We need help. And grace and mercy.

If there was ever a time in the history this country that we've had our guard down, it is now. It seems to me that all is getting lined up for rough times, potentially catastrophic events, like we've never seen on our soil. And 90+% of the American population can't see it or care. A wake up call is coming?

I have maintained for a long time that, while I feel that the consequences of Y2K problems will be serious, it will be the terrorism and agression that will give us the real problems.

We could see this any day now..... I don't think it will wait for the rollover.

-- Concerned (going_nuclear@fearful.com), December 12, 1999.

Mother: Okay, little Billy, now don't burn your self on the stove while it's hot...

Father: Billy, be careful or you'll get burned...

Mother: Little Billy, get away from that stove or...

Billy: OUCH!!!

- People will never learn until AFTER their burned.

-- ___ (___@___.___), December 12, 1999.

People think I'm morbid when I say I'm worried about the possibility of thermonuclear war. Others say, well why think about it you can't do anything about it. Personally I feel nuclear war will make y2k look like a picnic--and I do feel there are going to be massive problems y2k. However, the way things now look it is only a short matter of time before global thermonuclear war.

-- Newjerseygirl (scaredof@missiles.com), December 13, 1999.

Hey newjerseygirl,

Where are you in NJ? I'm near Cape May. I know of a shelter if you live near here. Peace

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), December 13, 1999.

The rebirth of the Russian military and the dangers of it to the U.S. will be the subject on tonight's nightline wth Ted Koppel.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), December 13, 1999.

Nik,

Thanks for the headsup. The only problem is that Nightline will not come on after local news AFTER MNF. I'll never make it. VCR alert.

Just got my latest issue of Dispatches. Nyquist builds a strong case for N.Korea, China, and Iraq and possibly India all waiting until Russia makes her move to make their own moves. All indications from these countries is that they have mobilized their military and weapons into position to attack.

For Nyquist, the greatest red flag indicator is this: "How can a bankrupt country like Russia afford to withhold untold billions in oil and metal exports." Oil was also imported from Iraq into Russia. Also this year Russia has purchased 50 tons of gold. Last year they purchased 34 tons of gold. Military experts agree that the accumulation of gold is another indication of possible war plans.

Jeremiah 25:15ff

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), December 13, 1999.

Sorry folks...

.....I still disagree. Having studied the historical fact that it was OUR military that stopped Chiang Kai Shek's forces from finishing off the reds, thus allowing them to come to power in the first place; in tandem with the fact that the entire Bolshevik revoultion was financed from here in the good 'ol USA with the international banksters footing the bills while arranging the takeover and buildup of the entire Soviet Union, both of those regimes are firmly in our pockets. Neither would have been there in the first place had we not put them there. So now they're going to bomb us? I think not. Look at how we've moved our industry to China, allowed them them to manufacture the goods we used to make, only to return them to this market without having to worry about the tariffs that once protected the American worker. Look at how our best efforts to keep the USSR propped up failed, and yet we still honor Soviet treaties with Russia? Why do you think that is?

.....Most of this nuclear war noise is simply misinformation and outright propaganda to keep the populace in a state of confusion. The strategy of "triangulation" has been at work for many years. USA and China vs. the old Soviets; then Soviets and USA vs. China; and now we're hearing about China and Russia vs.the USA. What a bunch of hogwash! The world government, "beast" system is already de facto in place, and we already have all these tyrannical laws on the books and working before all the people ever even hear of them. I have trouble believing the naivete that exists among supposedly educated people. I mean no offense, but they use the phrase "those that forget history are doomed to repeat it," when a more apt phrase would be, "those that never studied their history will believe anything TPTB want them to believe."

.....Flame away, if you will; but before you do, go study "triangulation" as it's being used today, and realize that the bulk of what we've been taught about the "cold war" was nothing but a farce.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), December 13, 1999.

Right on Patrick! Sure is refreshing to see your rational intellect again amongst these mentally disturbed psychopaths who appear to derive pleasure from frightening their fellow man. Like Yeltsin, the only thing that makes them feel any personal sense of power is to brag about how much they know about big bad Russia and their nuclear missiles. These guys act like they know more than our own military commanders and they are doing us a favor by letting us know! What a joke. They call themselves patriots, along with their traitor friend Nyquist, as they serve the Russian cause by propogating fear within this Greatest Nation in the World. What a sick bunch of commies.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 13, 1999.

Hey Hawk...

.....I fugured you'd pop in on this one... We could probably high- five if you hadn't just sharpened those talons again!

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), December 13, 1999.

BTW, Hawk...

.....I don't think of them as such; just victims of public education and media-induced propaganda. Probably right-friendly folks if one were to get to know them.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), December 13, 1999.

LOL Patrick!

Good analysis there, you are a true historian!

Yes, it seems I need to keep my talons sharp around here because these rodents just keep coming back. I'll be glad when Y2K is over just so I won't have to keep chasing them back into their holes. I'm sure they will continue to conjure up more propaganda based on new dates next year, but at least they won't be able to use this ridiculous "use it or lose it" argument after that!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 13, 1999.