Does anyone have any information on the so called concentration camps. I have two different friends that have seen them from privet airplanes in Cottenwood Az. Any info on this would be helpful.

-- Susie Q (susieQ@aol.com), December 11, 1999

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Go into the search engine "Hot Bot". Type in the words "operation garden plot"-----point to the left where it gives you the option of "all the words" and click on"exact phrase" Then hit Search. There are several links about this. Some even have pictures.

-- tired of worrying (halyman@bellsouth.net), December 11, 1999.

---uhhh---the "camps" in georgia were first investigated via terraserver, than in person. other folks will have to do their own homework. they are IDENTICAL in structure and layout, but all appear to be working prisons. that still leaves large sports stadiums, warehouses with steel doors, unused hangars on dot mil bases, etc. "They" don't really need "concentration" camps, existing structures can be used quite easily, and they have been historically. read about in yugo, and in chile and argentina how these were used. however, I am assuming that without a doubt that any fed "refugee" or work camps will have human disposal as part of the scenario, so get prepared, stay at home, or plan on taking to the hills in dire extreme. Have "blackout" means for all your windows handy. DO NOT "answer" the door. Leave notes on the door that if any emergency communications is desired with the occupants, to please check this addresss---->to non existant relative picked at random out of far away phone book. DON'T make up a name, leave one that can be run through a puter, at a minimum. Just think sneeky like your life depnds on it, and don't give in, no matter what happens. Humans are tough, you just might be given a chance to prove it, for everyone's good in the future. the stoopid king and the media goons have stolen the phrase "for the children". to me, we will stay alive for the children, and their children, to be free of unjust gov, corruption, nazi troopers, etc. free is very fair, it might be a harsher life, but better free on rice and beans than a slave on better rations. I say, screw 'em!

alternate new hampshire license plate--->"live free or rip 'em a new one!"

hehehehehehehehehehehe

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), December 11, 1999.

Another convenient concentration camp is schools. Most are well fenced in. Many here in So. Cal. have barbed wire at least in places. There are common bathrooms, a cafeteria, showers and administration offices. All that's needed is guards and bunk beds for the classrooms. Let's also not forget the metal detectors that have been installed in many schools. These places are perfect as concentr.. I mean places where we can be protected by our caring Government. We have an interesting future ahead of us.

By the way. Has anyone heard anymore about the UN busses and fleet of White SUV's.

-- Carl (no3daystorm@hotmail.com), December 11, 1999.

This may have been said before, at least I hope so. I intend it only for people who take interest in such matters, so ignore this if you don't like long disserations.

An open mind can absorb information, analyse it, even subject it to the intuitive process. While emotion can play a part in our quests for understanding, it may be a part of the equation but not all of it. Anyone looking for a clearer picture can easily entertain the most absurd ideas initally. The senses appear very imprecise, the apparatus of our perspective seem tainted with bias and filters. If we labour to understand though analysis and close inpsection, maybe qualifying it to some degree with consensus, at least we can approach an approximation of what is. Projection, insecurity, hasty conclusions, all of them seem to bend the course of thought like magnets.

References to the mental health of users here overlooks the evidence that "mentally ill" people can also communicate effectivly, powerfully, convincingly, charasmatically. Serial killers seem to be adept at convincing normalacy. Although I don't buy into the bandying about of the trite anlysis of other's mental state in a cursory manner online, it is possible that the person making the diagnosis might be absolutly bonkers essentially, while the person they are labeling has a quirky way of communication or poor skills, or what-have-you.

Although, for obvious reasons, some members of this forum seem to be fond of one-liners that contest an assertion using a familiar tag, i.e., tinfoil, polly, etc., they appear to be relying on prejudice and implication to substitute for counterpoint, debate, evidence.

I have found little in the way of a "normal" anything. The Universe appears to be vary fond of variation, both in species and individual members of such. When comparing two natural items, roses for instance, that appear to be the same, there appears to be great differences in the way they have grown. If normalacy can be found to be more representational than factual, it stands to reason that the way we use language (a symbolic means of communciation) is also plauged by certain, obvious errors. Without trying to be sarcastic, in all honesty, I have yet to find a "normal" person when considered holistically.

For myself, I tread with a certain caution through the vinyards. Though certain uses of language are habitual and culterally induced, they apper to serve special interests and emotional prejudice, rather than truth. They tent to serve to convince and motivate, cajole and manipulate, more than to establish any approximation of truth.

For instance:

"Every" something does this. "All" blanks are such. "Nothing" could do blank. That particular usage can be more obvious when you are looking for it and there are many forms. A more blatant version is demonstrated in the use of "isness". It appears to be so common, it can go unnoticed. It may be resonable to say that the world appears to be very dynamic. The way we use the forms of "is" or being can obscure or distort that realization.

I am not promoting relative thinking, per se. If we take John for an example, we can illustrate the problem with "is".

I think John IS a nice guy. John WAS always kind. John WILL be a good leader someday. Hehe, well, that may all be true for me at this moment. As for other people's experience of John, and the timelyness of the information, all of the above may be pure bias. In any case, the information may be subject to change as John's circumstances change. John's "image" in this mode of communciation appears to be one of bias -- pure conjecture. I could say: "John has always been a nice person to me. When I am with John, he seems to act kindly to others. It is my impression that John could be a good leader in the future." Now you know my experience of John and my personal commendations. Of course, I could be the person who thinks John IS a pencil necked geek who is just brown nosing his way to the top.

Of course, if you decide to cast this kind of critical eye on information, it might help to have understanding as to what might compel us to continue the biased charade. If X company said "Well, in our opinion, Ferngi Cola COULD be the best in the world." would this assure you of anything? That might work as a marketing ploy, but it does not seem to be a standard. Ah, to bring it closer to home you could say to your boss: "Under certain circumstances, I have lied in the past, but I strive to be as honest and impeccable as I can" Yeah, right! The more common statment might be: "I consider myself an honest person and I would never lie to my company, just look at my record."

I don't intend this to be exaustive. It is meant to inspire a inspection into the nature of language -- our symbolic, abstract buffer to the actual. There is no "cat" in this sentence? If you would like to learn more, look into semantics, context, and something called E-Prime. Read a formal philsophical treatise, and you might find that this form of communication comes naturally within that disipline. I don't think you have to be an intellectual to find interest in and practice this type of awareness. It might be beneficial if you find conflicting and biased information confusing.

I hope everyone who sincerely presents information here will be confident that their "perspective" matters. The idea of "chemtrails", especially when people report sightings of unusual patters, may not dangerous or misleading. If they do exist and have a nefarious implication, that might make them worth considering because the implications can be far more serious. I would apply that to all the information presented here.

I would hope that, in place of one-liners and catchy jargon, we would get more valuable replies that don't carry such silly, dumbfounded grins. It might be obvious to some that counterpoint appears to be more engaging and functional in this medium. It appears to be more mature.

Oh, lest I be misunderstood by some and called "pollytinfoilcracker", my number sits at about 7 (for the sake of optimism?) on the Y2K bug scale.

-- Pensator (brainisforthinking@whynot.com), December 11, 1999.

SIGHTING OF SUV's 11-99

North of San Fransisco, Highway 680, crossing Benicia/Martinez bridge, north bound.

Benicia side, As soon as you cross bridge, look 45 degrees, North-east and down hill. Large lot of White SUV's (at least 500)

Who do they belong to???

-- milspec (milspec@nav.gov), December 12, 1999.