For all who have concerns of Nuclear Strike look at this

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I have posted this link embedded in earlier threads, however, it seems not to get seen. This is an online book containing the most complete information I have found regarding the issues of Nuclear Strike. There is information from blast size per Kilo/Megaton to fallout due to air vs. surface blasts. There are also detailed sections regarding early warnings, bunker construction and preparations. I have started a new thread with this info so that many myths will be dispelled as well as for the sake of achieving the same level of preparedness as for Y2K. Hope someone gets as much benefit from this book as I have.

Nuclear War Survival Skills

-- Wild Celt (cael@irelandmail.com), December 10, 1999

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Also- if you want to determine the effects of nuclear fallout from a blast that may be hundreds of miles away, try:

The BlastMapper



-- plonk! (realaddress@hotmail.com), December 10, 1999.


If its nuclear I hope it lands right over my house!!!

-- Susan Barrett (sue59@bellsouth.net), December 10, 1999.

Current Russian military tactics call for airburst nukes on all but the most hardened targets. With an airburst blast, there is little radiation due to fallout, because detonation occurs in the air above the target and destroys with a downward blast of pressure and heat. Consequently, little radioactive material is churned up and blown into the atmosphere. The only targets likely to be hit with surface blast nukes are our ICBM silos and underground strategic facilities.

Additionally, the Russians use primarily 100 kiloton to 550 kiloton warheads now due to the improved accuracy of their missiles. There is very little need for a 25 megaton "city-buster" warhead anymore in the nuclear arsenal, although the Russians still have some of these, I'm sure.

Based on these factors, it is likely that there will be many survivors in areas close to those targets which are hit by airblast nukes. Hoping you go up in the blast may be wishful thinking. It is better to prepare as much as possible, just in case you survive the initial blast.

-- Nabi (nabi7@yahoo.com), December 10, 1999.


Military Instructor to Academy students: "Gentlemen, where is the best place to be when a nuclear detonation takes place?"
Smart aleck in back of class: "ANYWHERE that you can say moments later, 'What the heck was THAT noise?!'"

-- Jay Urban (Jayho99@aol.com), December 10, 1999.

Wild Celt(ic)

Thanks immensely for this link. I am printing it out as I post. It is a book-sized document, but incredibly practical from the brief scan I gave it. It will be positioned close to my "supplies" as I prepare for any eventuality.

From the looks of it, it destroys the cherished myth that nuclear war is unsurvivable. Highly recommended.

-- Hawthorne (99@00.com), December 10, 1999.



I have read up some on nuclear explosions but was wondering, if it was an air blast that knocked out all the grid and communications and cars etc. how long would it be knocked out for? Forever, or a few years or what? Russia and China are giving me the willies right now.

-- sandy (rstyree@overland.net), December 10, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Sandy: A good long time. The wires will be OK, but the electronics at the ends would have to be rebuilt. It's not a simple matter of rewriting some code. It's more comparable to replacing all the embedded chips and computers. A few people have stashed backup systems that are not connected to wires and antennas, but not many. After spending hundreds of billions of dollars to fix Y2K problems, if there's widespread EMP damage, all that work will have been for nothing.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 10, 1999.


However, I just learned that some cars may be able to be saved after EMP damage. Sorry, I don't have the source for this suggestion handy:

Simulations of EMP and testing of automobiles suggest a failure of the computerized ignition system could possibly be overcome by removing the battery cables, discharging them against the metal frame, waiting a few moments for the computerized systems to re-set, and then replacing the cables. It's worth a try.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 10, 1999.


I have said this many times over the last two years but it bears repeating. If you were limited to just one single book about survival techniques, the best book I know of is Nuclear War Survival Skills. The majority of the book is dedicated to fundamental survival skills that are needed for any emergency situation, flood, huricane, tornado, power outage, snow storm, etc.

Everybody should have a copy of this very useful book even if they have no interest in nuclear matters what so ever.

-- Ken Seger (kenseger@earthlink.net), December 11, 1999.


The Hiroshima bomb was an airburst, at 2,000 feet up. The Nagasaki bomb was also an air burst (I can't find a record of its height.)

The Russian doctrine is nothing new. Destruction of urban areas is much more complete from an airburst than from the same weapon detonated at ground level.

Years ago I read that the thermal radiation from a 100-megaton H-bomb exploding well above the stratosphere would be enough to ignite everything combustible on the ground in an area of thousands of square miles. No blast (shock wave) effect would be present as the explosion would not be coupled to the atmosphere.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), December 11, 1999.



Tom, sorry but inverse square still rules in energy transport/dispersion.

c

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), December 11, 1999.


Sheeesh, you guys worry way too much. All of this fear-mongering nuclear prediction stuff is the biggest load of crap on this entire forum, so give yourself a break and find something fun to discuss for a change.

Russia knows that it is suicidal for them to even think about starting a war with NATO. As far as that drunk retard Yeltsin goes don't worry, his defense officers are not gonna let him anywhere near the nukes, because they know we will turn them into cosmic dust. He got a little too lose with his mouth the other day and his days are numbered.

Next time he checks into the hospital will be his last time. It's going to be very easy for the New World Order boys to make it look like poor old Yeltsy just did himself in with too much vodka guzzling. Poor old big dumb Yeltsy, just got too loose and started shootin his mouth off, and now he's gonna get whacked.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 11, 1999.


Try this site:

Link

Also the book, "Look No Doomsday" is good.

-- BB (peace2u@bellatlantic.net), December 11, 1999.


Hawk,

I don't think that Russia think's it would be suicide. I have read alot of material that points to the fact that Russia not only thinks they can win a first strike against the U.S. but is planning just that. There have been high level officer's in the Russian millitary that have defected to the United States and have warned us of this. An all out nuclear war between the United States and Russia may not be survivable but that dosen't mean they beleive it.

-- Gambler (scotanna@arosnet.com), December 11, 1999.


Today is January 4th 2002, and anyone who is not preparing for a nuclear holocaust is either insane or just plain stupid. I have been studying and preparing for the big day for the last 27 years, after spending 10 years with the US Army Rangers and being assigned to several Spec Ops teams I can tell you that the government as been preparing for a long time. Check out my site, click on the flag and you will find all the info you will need. www.jlhconsultants.com

-- JERRY HANDLON (jerry@jlhconsultants.com), January 04, 2002.


we r a stupid race that deserves to wipe it self out but let me let u in on something if u can incrypt the next passage i say u will see that there is more that meets the eye there will be a intervention of not a local inhabitant that has being looking know for a few years (000+)work it out there known to switch off all nuclear weponery in the world with technologies not comprehended by even our laws of psyshics now if there choose to not intervene. when i die from that 500 megaton satan class generation 4 ICBM missile the cream of the crop of the soviet arsenal i will not go to heaven but i will wait at the gates and wait for mr bush mr putin and all the leaders of the nuclear powered countrys to come and i dont care if spirit does not let me but i am the creator we all r from that life sourse and i will create my own plane of existence or dimension in space and put these now X leaders in there and i will be there personal satan for lets say a long long existence where there feel pain uncondition pain with no numbness i will do this because i belive in the power of thought energy and through my evolution in soul i have devolped this in these planes of existense and this is not in retallation to them killing me on earth and cuttting my life short but it is in disrespect for life and the abuse of the own souls lets say it will be an educational program that just will go on for an unfortold existense but the soul never dies and when there cleansed of all their fears i will let them through who knows they might even become angels where there go out in to the universe and sort out peace in all 3 dimension psysical life i might sound like a nut case but really ask your soul right know and use your gut feeling your intuitive gift too see if i am lying to u blind led humans wake up u have given your goverment extreame powers and its at a point where its evoloved beyond the limitations of human responsibilities. it use to be a goverment for the people know its a goverment with alot of youre money and an aging generation in control that is allready dieing of heart attacks and canser so there dont care if there start amarggeden because in there minds there r allready dead and there cant bare the loss of power there where giving due to there limited aging life so its an ego thing in this life think people with extreame powers never give a shit for human life as long as there r filling there ego with power life energy sucking vampires from the people. thats what forefills them look its not about countrys any more its the goverments v the peoples of the world think about it look at every super power today and see how there peoples r suffering we look at saddam killing his own people and call him evll but infact isnt every nation doing the some thing but less gorery there probably lucky because there probably die instantly but in other more advance countrys there r killing u slowly because there need your money first to gather there toys (nukes) for the time when it comes to intiatate war because there r all aging and there rather have a monsterious departure from life u see all these things r figments and true horriers of the human psyche no matter what race what colour religion all it is (absulute truth ) that we hate to hear but deep down we all know we have been fooled we have failed as a human race look i don t even belive in goverment made fearful religion of the last two thousand years but take a look at the bible as humans we even killed the divine jesus u catch my drift we r all evil in this life i think this is a hell if u believe in made made dramas look life goes on believe me as eny astral travelar would tell u and once we all destroy this planet i will bring forward my case to the divine creator or life force which might shock alot of people because we r all an extension of its self multydimesion self and as i am part of this enterty i will make shore i rid of my bush saddam and leaders of that nature from my interpretation so this part of my self will cease to exist like i never even thought of evil in the first place then we will be one in nirvana a true heaven in ones heart will be felt and this plane the 3rd dimension will cease to have ever existed so i ask humanity to live through this last mass sacrifice of the evil part of our fearful souls and learn from this priceless event that will happen with the next decade or less i hope death meets u fast as i wish no part of my selves (humans)i acnowledge that we have learned what a fear based world community comes to an END lots of love and light to my fellow brothers and sisters of this world and remember we will all be together soon nick a spirit having a human expirience remember life on earth as a being is limited in time. a spirit is eternal and will be judge and cleanesed fully so i hope u havent stirred to much karma because u will have to work it off and learn from it i pity the super powers (goverments with 7.0 billion spirit lives robbed of the human expirience the altimate KARMA . sorry for my grammer i am not even going to scrool up and check my type errors so i hope u get that feeling i am trying to get across leave this message to your intuition and u will see that there is alot of true feeling as i wrote this from the heart and am not trying to expell my own ego sorry but as i have observed in this life here it was a true misconseption of the human spirit with evil intent i will make certain that other spirit life in the universe does not experience a life like this again ...............see u on the other side .

-- nick mitsoulis (beef@bigpond.net.au), October 06, 2002.

Alright...First of all it is 1 year later. Second i dont fucking care anymore because i know our time is short at hand. Once out fricking president attacks Iraq, it's over....

-- Chris O'Brien (nexstar54u@yahoo.com), October 14, 2002.

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