From The Pit...The Hitler Letter : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

The following is copied for discussion purposes only.

Just so you can see where we are heading and how Y2K will only serve to accelerate the speeding train.


The Hitler Letter .by Rabbi Daniel Lapin Mercer Island, Washington

I have no intention of explaining how the correspondence which I now offer to the public fell into my hands. There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an excessive and unhealthy interest in them. (Preface to The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis)

My Dear Julius (1), Landsberg prison which I entered on April 1, 1924 and where I wrote Mein Kampf, is strangely similar to this place that I entered after shooting myself on the afternoon of April 30, 1945 and from where I write this letter. I found myself in both places involuntarily, yet they have each provided me with peace as well as perspective to write of the ideas that fueled our movement. I dedicated Mein Kampf to the dead heroes of the so-called Beer Hall Putsch who fell on November 9, 1923 with loyal faith in the resurrection of their people(2). I dedicate this letter to you along with the nine other heroes of Nuremberg who joined me here on October 16, 1946. May their memory shine forever, a glowing example to the followers of our ideas.

As one tends to do in the timeless eternity of our existence here, I often reflect upon my single most regrettable error-underestimating America. On December 8, 1941, I hurried back by train to Berlin from my headquarters on the Russian front. It is true that earlier that year Ribbentrop and I had promised the Japanese Foreign Minister, our good friend Yosuke Matsuoka, that should Japan become engaged in a war against the United States, Germany would join the war immediately. However, to us, the Three-Power Pact had as its goal frightening and keeping America out of the war. I encouraged Japan to immediately take an active part in the war against England(3) and not to provoke America. Although I didn't see much future for the Americans, I did not want them in the war until we had put down Russia.

Exactly one month after the Japanese betrayed me by attacking Pearl Harbor I told you all at our Berlin headquarters that America is a decayed country. My feelings against Americanism were feelings of hatred and deep repugnance. Everything about the behavior of American society reveals that it's half Judaized and the other half Negrified. How can one expect a state like that to hold together?(4) Well, America did hold together and she seized victory from us. However, and this is important my friend, she has finally adopted many of the vital ideas of our movement. Could not this be described as an ultimate vindication of all we lived and died for? Perhaps it is even a victory of sorts.

Let me explain. First and foremost we were socialists. As national socialists, or Nazis, we presumed that government and the people were hostile to one another. Thus, we understood that the old German tradition of citizens owning guns had to end. On March 18, 1938 we enacted our Law on Weapons and ruled that only government officials were allowed to own firearms. You can imagine my approval as I watched Senator Thomas Dodd craft America's Gun Control Act of 1968 by having our own law of 1938 translated for him by an official of The Library of Congress(5). My dear Julius, we can be proud of how similarly the two laws read. Those leading American gun control efforts are naove and well-meaning but their results will resemble ours. We told the German people that gun control laws were needed to curb gang activity and preserve democracy, what those laws really did was help us prevail.

Do you remember, dear Julius, how we Nazis always understood that every German citizen must live for the state. We did everything possible to keep our people healthy. They were our future and the destiny of our nation. In the same way that wise farmers must accept responsibility for the health of their herds, we used the power of government to keep our flocks healthy. We were disgusted by the addictive powers of cigarettes since both mind and body were supposed to belong to the Fuhrer. We succeeded in almost criminalizing the smoking of cigarettes.

Our Minstry of Science and Education ordered elementary schools to discuss the dangers of tobacco(6). Government sponsored cultural and educational events were declared to be "smoke-free." In the late 1930s we called for increased taxes on cigarettes and later instituted bans on cigarette advertising. I am most proud of the legislation we introduced prohibiting sales of cigarettes to minors. We set up counseling centers for the psychological treatment of smokers and we established smoke-free restaurants.

We soon managed to prohibit smoking on Luftwaffe properties and followed that with prohibiting smoking in post offices, government buildings and many workplaces. "No Smoking" cars were established on all German trains with fines levied upon violators and in 1940 SS Chief Heinrich Himmler announced a smoking ban for all on-duty police and SS officers. Our comrade, Hermann Goring, decreed that soldiers may not smoke in public and most of our cities banned smoking on public transport in order to protect the ticket takers from the hazards of second-hand smoke. We can indeed be proud that today America has also come to realize the importance of central government taking the initiative in regulating what people do not have the good sense to do voluntarily. We may have lost the battle of ideas in the middle of the century, but we Nazis are winning the war of ideas at its end.

Do you remember that awkwardness in late 1940, my dear Julius? The American consulate in Leipzig reported our policies to the American State Department, of conducting compassionate euthanasia on the patients in the Grafeneck Mental Asylum in Wurttemberg. What an uproar resulted in America!

But now, one of America's most prestigious institutions, Princeton University, has appointed as professor of bioethics (whatever that is) one Peter Singer who openly advocates putting to death the mentally defective, the terminally ill and even severely disabled infants. He would give parents and doctors the right to actually kill-not just withhold treatment-newborns with, for instance, Spina Bifida and hemophilia. Singer insists that a newborn has no greater right to life than pigs, cows and dogs. Peter Singer is one of us, Julius. And the best part of it is that those who most loudly protested our comparatively mild policies in Wurttemberg, have not uttered even a squeak of protest to Princeton University and its professor of bioethics. The ridiculous idea that all human life is sacred is now finally under attack in America. A sitting president was reelected after affirming the legitimacy of exterminating infants during birth and doctors in their province of Oregon have begun doing away with the elderly and weak. Yes, America is certainly coming around to our way of seeing things.

Finally dear Julius, you will remember what I frequently said and wrote in Mein Kampf: "The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people(7)." I explained that as long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation. It is truly heartwarming to see how well this lesson has been learned by American government. In the name of the children, incursions into the private lives of American citizens have been made that we Nazis would have gazed at with open mouthed admiration. Does it matter that our bodies failed as long as our spirit still triumphs?

I know you have a question to ask me, my friend: What about the Jews? After all, how can I say that much of America is adopting our views when Jews still exert such disproportionate influence in that country? Grasp the genius of your Fuhrer. You see dear Julius, with well meaning earnestness, most American Jews are solidly behind the ideas I have been describing. In the mistaken belief that they are making America safer for minorities, American Jews have joined those advocating ever larger and ever more powerful government. In reality, what they are doing is making America more hospitable to our form of national socialism. When it eventually arrives, they too will see the real dangers, but by then, it will be too late. Now they only see danger in illiterate thugs with no hair on their heads and in degenerate psychopaths with second hand Nazi regalia. American Jews are frightened by a handful of the sort of people we used to execute, instead of being terrified of the danger they are helping to create-government with limitless power that could one day be hospitable to tyranny.

We didn't just kill Jews-we were obsessed with them. We knew and understood the power their God conferred upon them. It was either their three thousand year-old vision of holiness or our modern ideas of scientific progress that would prevail in the world. Do you recall that Israeli thug, Isser Harel, who founded their cursed Mossad and who captured our brother Adolf Eichmann in Buenos Aires in 1960? Harel was astounded when Eichmann, upon realizing that he had been captured by Jews(8), called out the Hebrew prayer Shema Yisrael , "Hear Oh Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One." Eichmann understood. You, Julius, you also understood. You ascended the gallows in Nuremberg and your very last words were "Heil Hitler!" (for which I thank you) and then "Purim Fest 1946."(9) You knew that when the Allies hanged my ten friends, they were playing out a modern day version of the Biblical Book of Esther in which ten enemies of the Jews were hanged on the festival of Purim.

And it wasn't just the Jews. Joseph Goebbels put it quite correctly when he said, "The Fuhrer is deeply religious though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so, it is a branch of the Jewish race(10)." We can be confident that America will preserve and develop our Nazi ideas of human perfectability because of one stroke of genius that even Reich minister of propaganda, the great Joseph Goebbels, has to admire. Those who are advocating socialism in America, whether deliberately or inadvertently, have succeeded in turning the term "Nazi" into a slur that may only be used against those on the right, such as Christian conservatives. Never is it used against those on the left who are precisely the Americans doing most to advance our agenda. We are winning Julius, we are winning. Heil Hitler.

Radio talk show host, Rabbi Daniel Lapin is the author of the recent best seller, America's Real War, and is president of Seattle-based Toward Tradition.

(1) Hitler is addressing Julius Streicher, hanged by the Allies in Nuremberg, October 16, 1946. (2) Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler, Publ.Verlag Franz Eher, 1927, Dedication and Preface (3) The Second World War, Volume 3, Winston S. Churchill, Publ. Houghton Mifflin, 1950. Page 186 (4) The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, William L Shirer, Publ. Simon and Schuster, 1959. Page 895 (5) Aaron Zelman, JPFO, Milwaukee, WI. (6) The Nazi War on Cancer, Robert N. Proctor. Publ. Princeton University Press. Page 198. (7) Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler, Publ. Houghton Mifflin, 1943, Page 403. (8) Los Angeles Times, April 7, 1989. (9) Newsweek, October 26, 1946. Joseph Kingsbury-Smith, an American reporter present at the hangings. (10) Joseph Goebbels, quoted in Anthrozoos, 5 (1992) page 18.

-- LM (, December 10, 1999


Please delete. This is very offensive.

If this were a true historical document, maybe, but this is some garbage put into Hitler's mouth.

His actions and the historical record speak for themselves.

-- David Holladay (, December 10, 1999.

Must've been written on asbestos paper!


-- Y2Kook (, December 10, 1999.


It should be offensive, but not in the way your thinking.

Look again.

-- LM (, December 10, 1999.

"The Fuhrer is deeply religious though completely anti-Christian. He views Christianity as a symptom of decay. Rightly so, it is a branch of the Jewish race(10)."



Maybe one day the general populace will understand the similarities between American Socialism and Germanys National Socialism. Maybe one day they will also realize the difference between Christianity and what is called Judeo-Christian, and maybe one day they will realize that there are 12 tribes of Israel and only one tribe called Judah. Simeon and Levi, two of the twelve brothers, were not to become nations...(Gen 49:5 KJV) "Simeon and Levi are brethren; instruments of cruelty are in their habitations. 7...Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob[Israel], and scatter them in Israel."

(1 Chr 5:2 KJV) "For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler;(Jesus) but the birthright [promise of greatness, wealth, etc.] was Joseph's:)"

Ephraim and Mannaseh(Gen 48:19 KJV) "And his father [Israel] refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, [Mannaseh] and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations." [Ephraim]

(Gen 48:20 KJV) "And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh."

-- Mark Hillyard (, December 10, 1999.

What's that stink in here? It smells like there's a "Christian Identity" white supremecist Nazi sympathizer in the thread.


-- Ron Schwarz (, December 10, 1999.

I believe this appeared in last month's issue of "American Spectator." Everyone is screaming because it's completely true. BTW, Did anyone even notice that it was written by a rabbi...?

-- the truth (makes@everyone.uncomfortable), December 10, 1999.

This sort of writing serves only to distract GIs from preparation issues, discredits us in the eyes of casual lurkers, and increases the probability/severity of intrusive surveillance. Please delete this piece yesterday if not sooner, and add a "no racist, Nazi, Communist, or other socialist material allowed on this site" line to the introduction.

Y2K presents enough opportunity for real problems and divisive issues; let's not go looking for avoidable trouble that is pointless, counterproductive, and needlessly divisive in December 1999 of all times.

-- MinnesotaSmith (, December 10, 1999.

"Please delete this piece yesterday if not sooner, and add a "no racist, Nazi, Communist, or other socialist material allowed on this site" line to the introduction."

Wow. Did you even READ it? Have you any comprehension of what the author is trying to say? Have we all lost our critical faculties completely?

If our knees jerk that fast we truly ARE doomed, y2k or not.

BTW, thank you for the link, LM. Interesting web site. I wish there were more people saying what he says.

-- open (your@eyes.please), December 10, 1999.

It is true.

-- tom (, December 10, 1999.


The first quote of the article (letter?) is from C.S. Lewis the Screwtape Letters. If you have not read them I highly recommend a trip to your local bookstore.

Now go back and read the "letter" again remembering that it is written by a respected and well published rabbi.

-- LM (, December 10, 1999.

Well, look what the chemtrails dragged in!!! PLEASE DELETE THIS CRAP.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 10, 1999.

do NOT delete this...I think it is pretty thought provoking....

-- Bob (bob@bob.bob), December 10, 1999.


What? Got a little mud in your eye?

No chemtrail conspiracy theorys here. Just observations on the similarities of todays socialism to Nazi Germany.

-- LM (, December 10, 1999.

It is a sad testament to the decay of our educational system that half the people who read this letter do not understand that it is an anti-Nazi message, not a pro-Nazi message. No wonder so many people don't "get" the Y2K threat.

-- cody (, December 10, 1999.

Excellent article. Completely true, IMO.

I'm not even sure that it's off-topic. He didn't say anything about the press, but I'm sure that's a page right out of history too.

Not too sure about the internet, though. That must be a real thorn for Hitler. Right now, I believe the internet is one of the few things standing between what we have now and a totalitarian state.

Look for government to try to get as much of a stranglehold on the internet in the future, as it has on the mainstream media today.

The exciting part is that TPTB might not be able to do it. The next revolution in America just might take place over the internet through grassroot campaigns similar to this week's Internet Rally at Y2K Newswire.

The keyboard is mightier than the sword!!

-- Clyde (, December 10, 1999.

I, too, am surprised by the reaction of the many who didn't "Get" the intent and purpose of the letter.

And some of these people are supposedly, self-admitted "GI"...

I suppose there's all different levels of enlightenment. To think that this piece is "pro Nazi" or "pro white supremist" shows a lack of ability to grasp subtleties. I'm rather startled to learn that so many could not fathom the intent of the writer.

Thank you, LM. I understood immediately.

-- ForumRegular (wearing@sbestos.underwear), December 10, 1999.

David Holladay said it all, IMHO. Taking liberties with historical events to try to make a point only serves to WEAKEN the credibility of those events, which only gets harder to defend as time passes, people who lived then die off, and memories fade.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 10, 1999.

Heil Der ArkanFuhrer!!!!!

... NOT ...

-- Dennis (, December 10, 1999.


I'll admit that history is not my strong suit. Which historical event was taken liberties with?

Those that do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.

-- LM (, December 10, 1999.

"Taking liberties with historical events to try to make a point only serves to WEAKEN the credibility of those events, which only gets harder to defend as time passes, people who lived then die off, and memories fade. "

Gee... I guess someone should tell the Rabbi.

-- he does have (, December 10, 1999.

This tread and posts reminds me of two hunters discussing the pros and cons of wild boars. Both had seen pictures, read outdoor (biased) magazine stories, and figured that was all the was to it. Neither had done any research on the subject, but they were plum full of opinions. Just like any 'average citizen'.

Wonder why I am so sceptical of other post here.

-- Reader of both sides of history (, December 10, 1999.

The responses to this article here are even more interesting than the article itself. A lot of people seem to have reading comprehension problems! We're becoming a nation of all-write-no-read I guess.

-- Count Vronsky (Vronsky@anna.lit), December 10, 1999.

IMHO the letter is fake, but that reaction and comments it brought into this forum tells me one thing. It's content is true.

-- Chat Room (, December 10, 1999.

Chat Room said: "IMHO the letter is fake"

Naaa. I'm sure mail delivery is just fine between Hell and the US.

Nothing will deter our fine postal couriers.

-- (Just wait'n on the mail)LM (, December 10, 1999.

I 'get' what the post is trying to say and I consider it highly offensive. The author is claiming that every move towards any government program (that he doesn't approve of) is a move towards Nazism.

The obnoxious thing about Nazism was not its rejection of religious tradition (which many have rejected and gone on to live moral lives), but its adherence to a completely unscientific theory of the racial superiority of so-called Aryans, and its willingness to kill people to purify the white race. The Nazis built cars and highways, but we do not label anyone who drives a car a Nazi. Gun control and anti- smoking policies are just programs, not part of the essence of Nazism. You can debate them on their own merits without slurring your opponents as Nazis.

The Christian conservatives that I have heard described as Nazis are the so-called Christian Identity cult, who are white-supremacists and deserve the term. Don't you agree?

I have not studied Hitler very deeply, but my impression is that he was not concerned with the survival of any ideas. He was concerned with making the German nation the dominant force in the world. His stupid policies of war mongering and racism set Germany back about 50 years.

-- kermit (, December 10, 1999.


If you can't tell the difference between another government program and tyranny.

You'll do well in the new regime.

-- LM (, December 10, 1999.

Kermie, Christian conservatives & Christian Identity are two very different things dear. We may both be called Muppets, but you are a frog & well I'm.....

-- Miss Piggy (, December 10, 1999.

Miss Piggy: Do you like to ... gosh, well OF COURSE you do!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), December 10, 1999.

Hitler rose to power within a nation based in fear. That fear was displaced onto America when she defeat the Nazi regime. The fear transfered to us and it's spirit continues to evolve today, I agree. The concept of Hitler still haunts us in all of our motives, our anger and our lack of trust.

-- raging fire (hopetherains@come.soon), December 10, 1999.

Raging Fire,

The problem is not fear. The problem is that the underlying philosophies that support Nazism and the philosophy of Nazism were never really refuted. We defeated the Nazis but just ignored the philosophy.

Sure, racism (a small part of the philosophy of Hitler) has been under attack. But the underlying philosophy of Darwinism (survival of the fittest) which drove the racism is still favored. The connection was never made.

The politics of Nazism has been similarly ignored and thus we ourselves are going down the same path. We don't see it and neither did most of the German people.

-- LM (, December 10, 1999.

Most people aren't aware of the fact that many of Germany's top scientist & psychiatrists were brought here to the U.S. after the fall of Hitler and put to work by our government. The German's have always had brilliant minds in the fields of the arts and sciences...but unfortunatly it was put to use by the powers of evil. The mind control and psychiatric techniques that were used in nazi Germany were imported to our country and are evident in the parallels of the socialist systems and/or programs.

The "dumbing down" through our educational system is just one of the is apparent from some of the responces in misreading the letter as being "pro-nazi"...and that is not a slur, but rather a sad fact.

-- Texas Terri (, December 10, 1999.

Right-wing propaganda. Delete, enough said..

-- y2k dave (, December 11, 1999.

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