Here you are Ken...a breakdown, albeit a subjective one using my own grading system, of all 127 posts from yesterday. As you can see, only 6 fell into your "Lunatic Fringe" category, proving indubitably that your brain is inserted in your skull somewhat cockeyed, or possible even cattywhompas. Have fun with your dissection kit - careful with that scalpel!

Total "Fringe": 6



 	F	Harttzell, Alabama implants in hands already in use. 
 	F	Got the flu--chemtrail poisoning? 
 	F	OT milita in the northpole 
 	F	Are they spraying every one else? 
 	F	Nyquist: Why Y2K is a tripwire for a Russian sneak attack. 
 	F	Warren Bone-A sad case on Art Bell!!! 



Total "OT": 9



 	O	Internet Rally on the Media - Tomorrow 
 	O	OT : The Government is watching.... 
 	O	Does this sound familiar, THE SEATTLE POLICE DOESN"T FEEL THST THEY WERE GIVEN 
 	O	How about a new OT catagory? 
 	O	Hey Pop! Here's the pics of the fighting in Seattle you wanted!! 
 	O	OT - Just a wierd observation. 
 	O	OT: Mutant Marsupials Take Up Arms Against Australian Air Force 
 	O	OT/Genetic Database Trials to Begin--What do y'all make of this? 
 	O	What was that in the sky 



Total "Y2K or related": 112



 	Y	GPU is not sure of their Y2K status 
 	Y	Soviet-era nuclear reactors gear up for Y2K test 
 	Y	If this forum was owned by Big Brother, the headlines would now read....... 
 	Y	CANADIANS Y2K on the CBC National 10:00 
 	Y	y2k show just finished on Spanish version of Oprah "Cristina" told to prep for 1 month 
 	Y	Despite Rhetoric, Violent Crime Climbs; Updated '69 Study Shows Increase of 40% in Cities 
 	Y	What the gov't hoped to achieve by saying don't worry. I finally understand their strategy! 
 	Y	Now they say the markets won't crash. What next! 
 	Y	Affidavit Tells of Yearlong Militia Scheme 
 	Y	Dangerous Y2K Worm 
 	Y	Do you have to refrigerate cheese 
 	Y	An Urgent Telephone Call Today - Y2K 
 	Y	OT: FEMA Director James Lee Witt discusses the global grid blackout caused by Y2K.. 
 	Y	Coloradan's take heed! 
 	Y	House Panel Grills Education Department on Accounting 
 	Y	Really Cool Y2K forum link! 
 	Y	Code remediated and implemented? 
 	Y	When you can't electronically transfer funds to payroll ... 
 	Y	Yardeni changes his tune-- SunTimes article 
 	Y	Can "Bad" be "Good"? 
 	Y	Thanks Todd 
 	Y	I can see it now... 
 	Y	Supreme Court May Overturn Miranda Ruling 
 	Y	Important article - the dam of silence begins to crumble? 
 	Y	Vats Up With The Server? 
 	Y	NSA to work with FBI in the US 
 	Y	Questions about Dirty Power /SPUR of "What's Dirty Power" 
 	Y	Costs of Prediction: why no warnings and few predictions of potential problems 
 	Y	Can anyone help this guy? 
 	Y	Public Is Not Paniciing or GI, better start changing the message Johnny.. 
 	Y	Big Al & Larry From Chicago To Speak Tommorrow... 
 	Y	Navy fleet hospitals at risk... from Federal Computer Week 
 	Y	State of Pennyslvania Declares!!! 
 	Y	More fun and Information from a Network Friend 
 	Y	12,000 YEARS OF ELLIOTT WAVES 
 	Y	UPDATE: Prescription meds...Inderal 
 	Y	City's Y2k warnings are unduly alarmist 
 	Y	never had this problem/ most of todays threads are coming up"connection refused" how come? 
 	Y	Local "doomer" just featured on Channel 5 out of Cleveland.... 
 	Y	EVE. & Oil...
 	Y	OT: Why is everything so SLOW today??? 
 	Y	Thanks to all who responded. Note for Paula 
 	Y	Latest Comments from Bruce Beach 
 	Y	IRS Agents: Inquiring minds need to know... 
 	Y	Glitch blamed for Prime Minister's plane emergency 
 	Y	CITY TO MAKE LAST-MINUTE Y2K EQUIPMENT PURCHASE: "The system was believed to 
 	Y	This Social Security snafu needs immediate attention... 
 	Y	"Debriefing" of Investigative Reporter & an Activist from Seattle 
 	Y	"can't happen here" ? 
 	Y	Bank Manager Admits Y2K F#*@-Up 
 	Y	A question about embedded chips... 
 	Y	Y2k Scavenger Hunt 
 	Y	**Repost with updates- a compilation of great articles on Why Y2K will likely result in serious 
 	Y	Y2k Scavenger Hunt 
 	Y	Someone please review Edison Electric claims 
 	Y	"Report: 1.5 million small businesses ignore Y2K" - No big deal? 
 	Y	Bank of Israel doubles cash supply 
 	Y	P & G exec retires after computer system error 
 	Y	Philadelphia has response plans to handle even a worst-case scenario 
 	Y	Previous FEMA Testimony to the Senate Describes Agency's Y2K Plans 
 	Y	Coke CEO Retires 
 	Y	GET THOSE PRESCRIPTIONS FILLED NOW!!!!!! 
 	Y	Czech Nuclear Plants Y2K-Proof, Official Says 
 	Y	Ruminations from the backfield, SYSOPS please delete original 
 	Y	Y2K In Asia's Nuclear Neighbors: Where Uncertainty And Uncooperation Reign: India & Pakistan 
 	Y	Tips for Testing Y2K Bugs---Want a Good Laugh? 
 	Y	Just heard this one while on Vacation... 
 	Y	Y2k turns patient into advocate 
 	Y	Some airports lagging on Y2k fixes 
 	Y	At Low-Tech Airport, Y2K Fixes Came Late--International 
 	Y	For D.C., Y2k fix is a future promise 
 	Y	Slightly OT:testing mini-preps 
 	Y	KOSKINEN WARNING ON 3 WEEK POWER OUTAGES - second source... 
 	Y	Horn/Newswire/Y2K News Radio 
 	Y	Calif State Systems Y2k Work Completed????? 
 	Y	South Africans Stockpile Food, Water And Ammo In Case Of Y2K Chaos 
 	Y	France Plans 60,000-Strong Police Force On New Year's Eve 
 	Y	New "Ask the Whitehouse" Question Forum 
 	Y	Chemical Plants Ready For Y2K, Survey Says: Contra Costa's 11 Biggest Are Prepared 
 	Y	OT Another School Shooting...more than sad. 
 	Y	Bomb Plot Has Police Fearful [Y2K] 
 	Y	Maine's Ham's Working New Years Eve 
 	Y	Tokyo Stock Exchange discusses canceling annual opening ceremony 
 	Y	Home PCs not immune to Y2K bug 
 	Y	Tag offices find computer system taxing 
 	Y	Code of Federal Regulations, Navigable Waters-Y2k risk period 
 	Y	Repair of real time clock in my machine 
 	Y	Gov. TASC group SCREWS UP!?! 
 	Y	Albuquerque has fallback plan for schools and fire stations to be used as emergency centers 
 	Y	Venezuela - Does politcial instability affect oil production? 
 	Y	FED paranoia on Y2K 
 	Y	Y2k as a bump in the road 
 	Y	February 29 - Leap year adjustment 
 	Y	New to the forum? Year 2000 resources, sites and links for research 
 	Y	The Adjutants General must be personally invovled... 
 	Y	Maine is ready 
 	Y	How are you hedging your bets? 
 	Y	UN World Court Will Prosecute American Citizens 
 	Y	Executive Order update 
 	Y	Notice of Proposed Changes in FERC Gas Tariff, effective 1-1-2000 
 	Y	My preps just came in useful 
 	Y	Non compliance statement, and some bitter irony 
 	Y	Big list of American Electric Utilities Sites 
 	Y	What about automatic payroll deposits? 
 	Y	stainless steel jerry cans for water? 
 	Y	Predictions 
 	Y	if it's on the net it must be true. 
 	Y	"Y2K: Who's Ready, Who's Not" - L.A. TIMES [Or, "Why Are You Still Worried About This? - Go 
 	Y	Susan Conniry's Latest Y2K article on Westergaard 
 	Y	Perhaps something usefull... 
 	Y	Koskinen:Prepares for 3 months 
 	Y	The "Mad Max" Plan For Martial Law 
 

-- Lunar Tick (lunatic@fringe.com), December 07, 1999

Answers

Two Thumbs Up Lunar!!!!

-- y2k dave (xsdaa111@hotmail.com), December 07, 1999.

YEAH, KICK ASS MAN!!!heh

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 07, 1999.

...hey! Ken's not fat, he's just big boned!!!!!!!!!!!!

-- Vern (bacon17@ibm.net), December 07, 1999.

Only "a" is capable of such breathtaking logic. For the die-hard pessimist EVERYTHING is Y2K-related. Here's the bonus question: How many of the above threads contributed to the overall understanding of Y2K and are carefully grounded in facts... not speculation?

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), December 07, 1999.

Vern-

Pass the cheesy poofs.

-- nance (nancyw@mailcity.com), December 07, 1999.

Hmmm, looks like pretty much all the threads listed are Y2K related and based on more than media blather. Pretty nifty trick -- to read all those and come up with a goose egg on your valid-information- meter.

-- TA (sea_spur@yahoo.com), December 07, 1999.

Ken,

"How many of the above threads contributed to the overall understanding of Y2K and are carefully grounded in facts... not speculation?"

Depends on how the terms are defined. Please take a look at your own contributions of the past few weeks and tell us which of them meet this criteria, and why.

-- (RUOK@yesiam.com), December 07, 1999.

After reading this and another thread discussing the "quality" of post s on the forum, I think there are several factors at play.

1. Most of the intense dialogue that is frequently mentioned from the past, is irrelevent now. Weren't those conversations had with the idea to prep or not in mind? People have either prepared or they haven't at this point. What's to discuss?

2. Many "failures" or even other newsworthy items are rarely thought of as significant, even by those who realize the media is manipulated, if it doesn't happen TO YOU. For example, it was really shocking to the people of Denver, to learn that they had been living on top of deadly Rocky Flats, but to the rest of the country, who cares? It seems that even now, unless it's reported by one of the big three,(ABC, CBS, NBC) it "isn't that big a deal" and can be disregarded or ignored into the background.

There have been and continue to be serious disruptions -we're not in 2000 yet - and one of the main points is, how many simultaneous problems can we survive?

3. There are a lot of newcomers here (I've been here only since September), and many are asking questions that have been painstakingly hashed out before.

4. This is also the most bizarre situation to find ourselves in. Is there a "good" way to deal with the bizarre?

5. With the non-transparency of most organizations, what "facts" can we possibly debate. The "religion" of Y2K, if there is one, is simply this.

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHEN WE STARTED OR HOW MUCH WE HAD TO DO, OR HOW MUCH MONEY WE SPENT OR DIDN'T - WE WILL BE "READY". NO PROBLEM!!!

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), December 07, 1999.

Mr. Decker,

Don't you just love it when some poor soul doesn't have enough vocabulary to say anything more than, "You're fat! You're stupid! You're ugly! I think your logic intimidates them to the point of regression.

I just went through that list of posts and found a few additional posts to be irrelevant to Y2K:

If this forum was owned by Big Brother, the headlines wo

Despite Rhetoric, Violent Crime Climbs; Updated '69 Study Shows Increase of 40% in Cities

Affidavit Tells of Yearlong Militia Scheme

House Panel Grills Education Department on Accounting

Supreme Court May Overturn Miranda Ruling

Can anyone help this guy?

More fun and Information from a Network Friend

12,000 YEARS OF ELLIOTT WAVES

OT: Why is everything so SLOW today???

never had this problem/ most of todays threads are comi

Coke CEO Retires

Ruminations from the backfield, SYSOPS please delete original

The Adjutants General must be personally invovled...

Predictions

The "Mad Max" Plan For Martial Law

However, the majority of the posts do seem to be on topic. I think the lunatic fringe are the people who are responding inside the posts, not necessarily the people posting new questions. After all, the lunatics have nothing better to do than throw in 1-3 lines of hate and stupidity. They couldn't possibly put together a full post of anything that would contribute to the understanding of Y2K or the improvement of mankind.

There are just some people who are happy being miserable, and you and I attract them in droves. Although, this is a good thing Ken...they respond to you because they desperately want to believe what you are saying. By yelling at you, they keep your attention, and keep you in this forum. You are like sunlight to them. Don't let them get you down Mister...just keep shining.

-- (Ladylogic@aol.com), December 08, 1999.

Ladylogic (?) It's hard to know what to make of your response. It seems like it's addressed to Ken Decker, but he didn't write this thread nor contribute an answer. Some of the thread titles you refer to actually back up the originator of this thread, yet you seem to think they support Decker.

Then you basically say that, "If we believe things are good, and have a "positive" attitude, everything will be OK".

To me that is the quintessential psychological attitude of a whole generation - so egocentric it's really pretty laughable.

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), December 08, 1999.

Gregg,

First, my initial point was misunderstood. I feel Y2K deserves a better hearing... and it deserves better than having half wits argue the pessimist perspective. As noted, I respect de Jager, Yardeni, even Yourdon. It has been disappointing more "serious" thinkers have not engaged in the Y2K discussion.

My point was not that the majority of posts are "off topic." Many of the "on topic" posts are really bizarre or baseless speculations about Y2K. Do you expect me to take "Mr. CEO" seriously? Do you think the subject of martial law and a Clinton dictatorship warrants serious dicussion? Where are the posts about actual embedded chips that are noncompliant or software that definitively will not function? Where are detailed analysises of the NERC, FDIC, API reports? You may disagree, but I think the UN/NWO folks are the "lunatic fringe." I think talking about a cabal of international bankers controlling the world is silly... and has little to do with Y2K.

As for "manipulation" of the media... I think there are a huge number of voices out there. Art Bell and Jeff Rense have their moment in the sun... so do the cable networks, the major newspapers, etc.

As for the serious disruptions thus far, you make Hoffmeister's argument for him. We are still functioning despite the "interconnected" nature of our economy. How many can we survive. Obviously more than most pessimists think.

To your final point, the "religion" of Y2K is the belief in the Apocalypse despite the facts to the contrary. It is the flat refusal to consider factual information... like on this forum.

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), December 08, 1999.

For those who may be unaware, Ladylogic@aol.com aka "Lady" is the troll who frequents the TB2000 chatroom on a nightly basis alternately masquerading as a pervert, idiot, and disruptive polly.

-- (@ .), December 08, 1999.

Don't judge a thread by its title; the referenced threads are "On Topic" for Y2K and are not part of the lunatic fringe. Read them yourself and decide.

-- madeupname (notme@notaddy.com), December 08, 1999.

Ken,

Unverifable information. Big issue.

Simply put, if most computers in the world didn't need fixing, NOBODY would be spending money trying. We only have self-reported information from most companies. It's in their self interest to lie.

Without independent verification, it means little that they say they are, in most cases, only "ready".

I won't bother directing your attention to the many, many posts and 10-Q statements, which leave vast and huge holes in a companies' readiness status.

As for Martial Law, just read Presidential Decision Directive #63, signed by Clinton in May of '98. I'm sorry you don't understand global economics enough to realize the Central Banks ARE a nice, tight little group of self serving elitists. It makes their job so much easier to have an ill informed populace. Do you know what the BIS is? Do you think it exits to help YOU?

-- Gregg (g.abbott@starting-point.com), December 08, 1999.

Gregg,

Of course many systems require upgrade or replacement. They did before Y2K and will in the future. Private firms need offer anyone an explanation. Public companies owe only their shareholders. If shareholders are unhappy, they can vote with their pocketbooks.

I wrote an entire thread about the incentive "not to lie." Any company found deliberately falsifying information will be subject to legal AND economic penalties. If you have a vendor that can't deliver because of Y2K, he'll lose your business. The marketplace will punish the unready... as it should.

Independent verification is a straw man. If it was profitable, or the shareholders demanded it... there would be independent verification. As it stands, the public is satisfied with the explanations. You may not find this situation tolerable... but you have no "right" to any explanation unless you own the entity.

As for martial law, the President can sign anything he wants... but the U.S. military is simply incapable of enforcing anything close to martial law. Period. We hardly survive "peacekeeping" missions in third world countries with a fraction of the size or resources.

As for the international bankers... there is scant evidence of a "cabal." Central banks are often at odds over monetary policy. And as far as suffering personally... if the banks are torturing me, I haven't felt it. (chuckle)

-- Ken Decker (kcdecker@worldnet.att.net), December 08, 1999.

Laura says to Ken, "There are just some people who are happy being miserable, and you and I attract them in droves." Too funny! This, from someone who goes out of her way to camp out in the TB2000 chatroom, stealing other people's names, spamming with her "enter" key so that everyone else is blocked from posting, and assaults both men and women with sexual comments so crude they might make even the King of Spain nauseous...

-- (TrollPatrol@hmmmm.hmm), December 08, 1999.

a and troll patrol,

Thanks for proving my point.

"After all, the lunatics have nothing better to do than throw in 1-3 lines of hate and stupidity."

-- (Ladylogic@aol.com), December 08, 1999.

Lunar tick,

The fact that you included my post, "Got the flu--chemtrail poisoning?" in the lunatic fringe catagory says wonders about your cognative ability. Better reread it.

Lunar tick? Maybe. Lunatic? Definitely.

ALK

-- Al K. Lloyd (all@ready.now), December 08, 1999.