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Everything you wanted to know about the Echelon Project. A Lawsuit has just been filed and here is what you can do to help.....



-- Albion Moonlight (albionm@usa.net), December 06, 1999


I know that FEMA likes to send "hot button" right wing heros to preparedness events to attact random militia types to come. Then they record all the license plates for the rollover pickup list.

We have been urged to fight echelon by sending e-mails loaded with trigger words. Anyone who sends an e-mail loaded with trigger words is sending a message that they would like to screw the system. I would think that the powers that be would love to collect all those e-mail addresses to add to the list of those going to the stockade.

This is all getting quite interesting. If the stuff hits the fan as bad as I think it will, we need to take out anyone who wants to put anyone on a train [or bus] to "an unknown destination" as Auschwitz used to be called.

Never again.

-- not telling today (fruitcake@nuthouse.com), December 06, 1999.

To me, that was an incredibly STUPID move by various state militias to cooperate with the FBI under the FBI's guise of "just removing only the foaming-at-the-mouth extremist element" of the militias.

You don't think the FBI USED THAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET A REALLY CLOSE look, AND LIST OF NAMES, of ALL that are in the militias, and their strategies, locations, hideouts, etc?

A deal with the devil.

BTW, what exactly is the significance of the question asked last night about a certain General who questioned the Oklahoma bomb blast theory by pointing out serious discrepancies in the wreckage? Someone insinuated that he has since "disappeared".

-- profit of doom (doom@helltopay.ca), December 06, 1999.

As I see it, the 4th, 5th, and 6th Ammendments still have a little value. No one's going to go to prison without due process of law and trial by a jury of one's peers. If we cannot be secure in our papers and property from tyranny, we can always knock on the door of the Supreme Court.

-- coprolith (coprolith@fakemail.com), December 06, 1999.


"As I see it.....a little value."

You might be right about that.> http://www.conghansen.com/backg.htm <

-- maid upname (noid@ihope.com), December 06, 1999.

Coprolith, under normal circumstances I would agree with you. However, in 25 days the circumstances will be anything but normal.....even if it's a BITR. Under martial law, a right to a quick and speedy trial is suspended just as it is in the military in wartime. Your rights as stated in the Miranda Act are already being compromised greatly. In some cases you do NOT have the right to remain silent and they still can use it against you. If law remains inviolate, it will be the local commanders interpretation of the UMJC and how he wishes to apply it to the civilians under his control.

OBTW, the general that opened his mouth re the bombings quietly 'retired' about 5 months later according to other boards. Not sure if he survived his retirement party though. 8-)

-- Lobo (atthelair@yahoo.com), December 06, 1999.

Profit of Doom,

The general you refer to is General Ben Parton, retired. Used to be a serious munitions expert. I've heard him on my local talk radio show, albiet not recently.

-- Bill (billclo@msgbox.com), December 06, 1999.



well, it just goes to show you that all that seems unbelievable is not necessarily untrue!!!!!!!! these days nothing makes a heck of a lot of sense coming from this govt.

-- tt (cuddluppy@nowhere.com), December 07, 1999.

Well, gee whizz, tt, mightn't we be better waiting for the case to actually get to court before we use the accusation as proof that it exists?

By the way, what does this have to do with Y2K?

-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), December 07, 1999.

Begone, foul wingdingery!

-- zzzz (z@zz.zzzzzzz), December 07, 1999.


My understanding is that you are a retired Peace Officer. Let me extend my personal gratitude to you for your service in what is a dangerous and thankless profession.

After consulting with my lawyer (a somewhat elderly man fully acquainted with the practical realities of life) regarding martial law, civil liberties and due process his message to me was very simple to understand. On a FUNCIONAL, NON-THEORETICAL basis, there is no such thing as "martial law." The words "martial" and "law" just do not go together and retain meaning. There exists the "rule of law" and there exists the "rule by force." Martial law is the latter.

One can sit comfortably in your atty's conference room in a nice leather chair and discuss the finer points of appeals, documenting evidence and ultimate judicial review of the personal consequences of martial law. What he pointed out to me; however, is that in the reality of the situation - essentially a war between gov't and it's citizenry - I can have all the video tapes I want, affidavits and inventories and receipts of seized property, etc. and it won't do me any damn good if I'm sitting in the new Japanese internment camp formerly known as Riven Rock Park. Five, ten or fifteen years later IF my appeal gets to the Supreme Court (presuming both its and my existence) such documentation MAY be of some historic interest.

His viewpoint was very simple. When faced with the overwhelming force of a police state, I can either (1) passively accept orders, (2) resist (to any degree) and face the consequences, or (3) run away and accept the consequences of running. The immediate remedy offered by any "legal" action is an illusion, and a stupid, dangerous illusion at that.

"95% of the lawyers in this country are giving the other 5%

-- Magnolia (Magnooliaa@yahoo.com), December 07, 1999.

" . . . the other 5% a bad name."

. . . . . . . .

-- Magnolia (Magnooliaa@yahoo.com), December 07, 1999.

No, I'm a grad student, studying why cancer cells fail to die when treated with chemotherapy. Sometimes I sneak around here during off hours. I am genuinely concerned that next year is going to be full of economic, legal, and social hardships. Perhaps this makes me a little crazy. Well I've been called worse. At any rate, no, I am not an officer of the peace but who knows what I'll be doing a year from now if grant money goes dry from a Congress more interested in providing for more pressing emergencies.

-- coprolith (coprolith@fakemail.com), December 07, 1999.

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