Just heard this one while on Vacation...

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Salutations gang

Took a little trip to VA this past weekend for a vacation/party for a close family friend. The husband of the Friend is a national recognized corporate defense attorney. Amoung his clients are Mickey D's, Amtrac, and other Huge Multinationl Conglomerates. He is also on and part of the National Y2K Advisory Committee for Legal Affairs. This meant a great opportunity to 'pump' him for as much info as possible, directly from the horses mouth. (He is, despite his profession, a decent human being, who actually GI's) His synopsis overall for the rollover was that, on the whole, the United States, barring unforseen governmental interference/screwups, will be facing a BITR of a 3-4 level.

Mind you now, his area of worry is primarily defending the companies that have F'd up on the remediation from Joe Sixpack's lawsuits. He states that the biggest headache for him was the Carnival account. As in Cruise Ships. He told me to absolutely avoid any form of modern water travel in any way shape or form at the rollover timeframe unless it had an outboard motor. According to Joe, he said that the amount of imbedded technology on a cruise ship is staggering and that any boat at sea is doomed. This also included all oil tankers as well!!! Rut Roh Raggy!

He fully intends to be vacationing during the actual rollover tho, as his other huge fear is that the Government, in its usual reactive form, will panic if small issues crop up, thereby "fanning the flames of Panic nationwide." I asked him how so? Joe then asked me "How would you react to Martial Law, federalizing of Highways, ie restricting travel, and a national curfew?" Boldface Double Rut Roh Raggy!

He then decided to 'lighten my mood' by telling me of a cheese distributor in Idaho that had almost a full week of production sent to slop hogs instead of being properly distributed because of a glitch in the Y2K remeadiation. Seems that the computer rolled to '1900' and read all the date on the cheese as expired. Ha ha. Somehow, I wasn't comforted...

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan101st@Aol.com), December 06, 1999


See, there is no conspiracy you kooks.


-- &&& (&&&@&&&.&&&), December 06, 1999.

Hey Billy, Could you please translate "Rut roh raggy" into plain english for me? Thanks.

-- (formerly known as nobody@nowhere.xxx), December 06, 1999.

Some how the cheese story sounds a bit "cheezy" - let me get this straight, the computer kicks out a message to said factory owner to dump certain lot of product. The owner (or his workers) follow computer's instructions without thinking about the directive...Either they are complete idiots or this story is a FAKE (and dont give me the B.S. that the warehouse is so huge...).

-- paul dirac (pdirac@hotmail.com), December 06, 1999.

Oh-uh, Shaggy. (Scooby Doo)

-- Tim the Y2K nut (tmiley@yakko.cs.wmich.edu), December 06, 1999.


Sounded weak to me as well, but now, due to my having to suffer the questions of pusillanimous fools such as yourself, I will endevour to detail the story more. Unfortunately, mt friend did not mentionn the name of the company, citing attourney client priviledge, but according to him on the further questioning on my part, he stated that the warehouse was operated primarily on a automated basis. The 'old' product is accounted for and shipped out via conveyer belt to the waiting trucks. The employees, having no actual reason up to this point to check the dates, allowed the 'good' to be thrown out with the 'bad'. So it really is easy to see, and the point of this posting wasn't to discuss this any further. trhe Post was more to discuss a point of view of one of the head Lawyers in charge of dealing with Y2K affects. Not to debunk or shit all over a minor story that he related to me that he found humorous. If you have nothing positive to contribute, then head on over to the debunkers forum. I hear they have plenty of room left for PITA like yourself...

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan101st@Aol.com), December 06, 1999.

Paul thinks that America's cheese comes from the "lil ol cheese maker" who has a personal relationship with each brick. Paul doesn't understand that agribusiness takes big farms, big equipment and yes Paul, big warehouses. Go to Mc D's and order some french fries. The spuds came from Idaho grown by a lil ol farmer named Simplot.....

-- gary (a@2.com), December 06, 1999.

Unfortunately, most inventory control systems are fully automated, including discarding outdated product. I have heard of other companies having the same thing occur.

-- clo (clo@clo.clo), December 06, 1999.

25 days, take it or leave it. Way too late to argue.

Thanks Billy Boy.

-- Deborah (infowars@yahoo.com), December 06, 1999.

The expiration date problem is a real one, but the description of the cheese event seems slightly misworded. It's not that the computer date rolls over to 1900, it's that the expiration date gets miscalculated and rolls over.

Kraft foods reported in 1998 that they had such a problem, not with cheese, but with various ingredients. In their case, new ingredients are assigned expiration dates as they are received, and those that expired in the year 00 were immediately, and automatically, shipped out as trash.


-- Jerry B (skeptic76@erols.com), December 06, 1999.

"Unfortunately, my friend did not mention the name of the company, citing attorney client privilege.."

Sorry, Billy, but your posts don't pass the sniff test.

Your friend has already violated attorney client privilege by the amount of information he gave you that you have included in this thread so far. You don't get to be a "nationally recognized corporate defense attorney" by acting like the type of flaming megalomaniac that can't keep even details like this as a confidence. At the least, you have betrayed the "close family friendship" by putting his career and his clients in jeopardy.

This is not intended as a debate on the ethics of whistleblowing - it's just that I don't think your report is legit.

-- sorry but (not@buying.it), December 06, 1999.

Thats fine...your choice...But my intel is good, and my source is above reproach. (FYI My intel is always good)

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan101st@Aol.com), December 06, 1999.

Billy Boy,

Thanks for the tip; I read it during my lunch break, and decided to delay a GSL by a few days so I could get some extra gasoline. Also got more beans/rice/pet food. Your tip might make the difference between my being able to keep working (heh, or breathing). FEMA had us providing crisis counseling to the folks in Hampton following that tornado taking out a couple blocks of apartments a few months back; FEMA needed us to keep the poor folks from blubbering so bad that they couldn't get their paperwork done. Perhaps if it is just short of worse case, then I will still have work....so long as I can get there. Anyway, sorry to ramble, but I just wanted to thank you for taking the risk to post, and let you know that it gave me enough insight to reallocate my exceptionally limited resources, which may make a profound difference in my surviving what may come.

Oh, PS, that cheese story sounds typical for the plants here in Southeast Virginia, no doubt!!!

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 06, 1999.

Billy Boy: Always enjoy your posts. We are clearly all about to enjoy the fulfillment of that chinese proverb: May you live in interesting times.

Now, back to the important question, for us simpletons, what the heck does RUT ROH RAGGY mean!?


-- Zen Angel (wondering@rutrohraggy.com), December 06, 1999.

Let's see; your lawyer friend says he thinks Y2K will be at most a 3 or 4,a BITR as you put it. He also feels that all ships including tankers are toast because of embedded chips. If the tankers are toast and we import 55% of our oil then that means that 55% of our oil supply is toast, Right???Am I missing something????Our imported oil gets here by tanker right????or is it Fed Exed???Sent via UPS or maybe loaded on a 747 and flown here from Saudi???hardly a bump in the road!

-- Alfred E (What@MeWorry.com), December 06, 1999.

Billy, beware of the Raggy illiterates...either Communist unAmerican trolls, or...we're getting old...nah...don't kids still watch Scooby?

And get real people. Have doctor and attorney friends. They do tell 'stories', just don't give out names.

-- Mumsie (shezdremn@aol.com), December 07, 1999.

1) the discarding of "outdated" but expire in 00 product is an OLD STORY, well documented as far back as late 1997 here in ref to some stores which actually pitched inventory until one of the humans doing the pitching finally asked the question.

2) Rut Roh is the transliteration for Scooby Doo, the dog to be able to say UH OH.


didn't think I wa THAT old. OY VEY. C

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), December 07, 1999.

(1) Your friend has violated the attorney-client privledge.

(2) Your friend, if he is the stud attorney you say he is, ha already advised the Carnival board that because all of their ships are toast, they can not be set to sail after the new Year.

(3) If #2 has occurred, the board is freaking and peolpe are dumping Carnival stock.

(4) If #3 has occurred, this would be all over the news. You can't keep something like this a secret, particularly when lead corporate counsel is violating the a/c privlege at parties.

-- Freethinkr (ima@nut.com), December 07, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Steven, your mother's calling.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 07, 1999.

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