chemtrail patterns/differences/possibilities : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

--to the very best of my knowledge, with what I have gathered, this is the skinny, no guarantees, but how I have been both given this and have deduced:

---the ###### patterns are binary chemicals, they need to mix to become effective. weaken immune systems in all life.

the //////////patterns are biological "simulants", simulants are used to "track" effectiveness and spread patterns, these sprayings are usually followed up with 800# ads on the radio where they ask you a lot of questions about your "mystery" medical conditions that your personal doc has no clue on.

the wider / / / are used to spoof satellite observation, they are usually the most oily looking and spread out and last the longest.

I give a rats derrier who believes me or not, too, the ones who've seen them will believe, that's all I care at this junction.

they are other uses for the sprays, but those are the ones to be most concerned with. If you see 0 style patterns, try to keep an even keel emotionally, check with your partner, make sure you are acting rationally, at least some sort of "normal" for you. are you getting angrier than normal, or more lazy, stuff like that.

zoggus the warner

-- zog (, December 04, 1999



Strange days indeed. OT to many, but not to me.

I'm interested in your post, I've never heard this angle before. I've developed this year some bizarre neuromuscular symptoms, so am a sincere reader of any enviro info that might, no matter how far fetched, improve my condition as well as that of my family. My team of doctors have only given mild relief.

Any skinny on the objective, as well as compounds employed?

As a survivalist, would you seek antibiotics, or try instead to let you body build its resistance? What do you think of flushing with Guai, if you've heard of this. I know you aren't a doc, but I'm interested in your opinion.

-- Hokie (, December 04, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

I think ////////// makes me stutter. I've never really had the problem before, to speak of. It really does seem worse on spray days. Also, I've found myself stuttering, and gone out to check the sky and found trails or afterhaze.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 04, 1999.


Do you get a migraine after the stuttering? I do. Numbness/tingling. Muscle spasms. Sleeping seizures.

-- Hokie (, December 04, 1999.

I had some interesting conversations yesterday with numerous people on various subjects, and they all had one thing in common: Recent bouts with upper respiratory problems within the last month. We are in Southern MN.

-- Liz Pavek (, December 04, 1999.


Aerial Mind-Control: The Threat to Civil Liberties by Judy Wall, Editor/Publisher Resonance Newsletter of the MENSA Bioelectromagnetics Special Interest Group NEXUS Magazine, October-November 1999 ------------ "Commando Solo was used in Haiti for what was called Operation Uphold Democracy. As the general populace was violently opposed to Aristide and most in favor of his ouster, it took nearly a year of this clandestine counter-programming to get them to change their minds. Instead of butchering a population physically, we can no[w] manipulate them mentally, virtually enslaving their thoughts with a criss-cross pattern of flights by an EC-130 (which is just a C-130 heavily laden with electronic hardware.) "

-- Shelia (, December 04, 1999.

Zog, Remove your brain....its a danger to society.

-- for real (, December 04, 1999.

zog: hohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohohoho. You're cumming down the chimney.


-- santa (elf@north.pole), December 05, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

Do you get a migraine after the stuttering? I do. Numbness/tingling. Muscle spasms. Sleeping seizures.

No. Not really. It's like stuttering somewhat, except for that I'm not starting to say the word. The problem is more like that I can't think of some normal conversational word that is right on the tip of my tongue. (alzheimers?) My mom calls them senior moments.

I did get a headache a few days ago, which never happens to me (maybe 10 aspirin in my whole life), but I don't know if it was associated with a spray, because I didn't think about that. I have also noticed some uncoordination. For example, if I try to walk too slowly (in a situation such as waiting in a slow moving line), I have trouble maintaining my balance.

It's hard to attribute all of this stuff to the spraying, because my health is generally poor. Only the major early sprays and my son's dramatic illness seem to me to be clearly related.

In my own case, I was fairly normal (though with allergies) until May, 1991, at which point my health took a dramatic turn for the worse. At that time soldiers were returning from Desert Storm to Fort Ord. My son was only about six months old, and was apparently unaffected at that time.

I did not make any connection to Gulf War Illness. I spent most of the next several years visiting one doctor after another and studying a variety of health conditions in search of an explanation. Eventually, (late 1997) I was diagnosed as having an autoimmune condition once I presented with laboratory symptoms which could be measured instead of doctors having to rely merely upon my own reports of discomfort.

Given some recent official recognition that the Gulf War Illness does, in fact, exist, and some indication that it is communicable, it is very possible that my condition could be related somehow to that. (I say this only as an informed layman. I am not a doctor; I only play one on IRC.) I may be more succeptible to problems from the chemtrails in this condition.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 05, 1999.

Thanks Zog at least I know someone is paying attention.I enjoy reading your are one of the few that makes sense.

-- jf (, December 05, 1999.

Interesting information, sir zog. Thank you.....

Believe me, if there were any reasonable, consistent, physically consistent and plausible explanation for these - other than a liquid of some type being dispersed into the atmosphere at relatively high altitudes in a consistent pattern that would result in the widest possible even release of the liquid - I'd listen.

But no other answer is physically consistent with the facts, the timing, the patterns, the independence of the patterns with the weather, the steady repeat of the same patterns across the country, and the absolute absence of ANY previous pattern like this.

It's not from "regular" contrails. What they are, I don't know - but they are not regular aircraft contrails.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (, December 05, 1999.

Here's the distinction between contrails and chemtrails.

Normal jet contrails come from the ENGINES on the wings. They are double lines, pencil thin, and "follow" the jet across the sky. Then they go away within a minute or two. They can be longer and thicker, but the point is they dissipate and they come from engines when the hot air collides with the frigid air at high altitudes. It's water vapor.

CHEMTRAILS come from cannisters or foggers attached to the TAILS of the craft and spray ONE huge, thick, dense trail that's about 200% larger than a typical contrail. There is often a 'shadow' effect to the streak that gives an oily appearance. The jets with the cannisters attached have been both photographed and videotaped WHILE spraying.

There are also REGULAR JETS in flight at the same time giving off their normal contrails (video available, so there are two entirely different "trails events" happening.

People are NOT tripping over regular jet contrails. They are alarmed by the chem spraying and the facts that questions about them are being dismissed categorically as nothing unusual, ignored or rerouted, and that hospitals in record numbers are hard pressed to cope with the increase in flu LIKE viral infections, upper respitory problems (call your local hospitals and ASK, it's not all that difficult)...the chemtrails are in a "formation" which is a military earmark, yet government officials fail to address the issue at all.

The concern is that no one knows what chemical or agent is being released, WHY it is being released, whether the residual effects are harmful, toxic, fatal to crops, animals and people...and with the known governmental history of abuses of our rights and freedoms, absolutely people are going to expect the worst when they ask elected officials and get dismissed.

Then they want to knowWHY they're being dismissed, who gives them the right to dismiss these issues, and the chain of command starts climbing and suddenly the people asking questions are tagged as alarmists, paranoid, conspiracy theorists, espousing propaganda and creating another fringe cult to draw in others who cannot think for themselves.

Meanwhile those who know nothing at all and who don't want to know, as well as those who are too dense to know that there IS something to know enjoy a few hours of name calling and ridiculing and rejecting things they obviously have no real proof of either way.

People just want to know WHAT IS IS, WHO IS DOING IT, WHY THEY ARE DOING IT, AND WHAT EFFECTS IT WILL HAVE OR IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE. There is absolute evidence of chemtrails being formed.

NOW, answer those questions without any name calling and you can consider yourselves real debunkers, skeptics, and intelligent rebuttallists.

-- Stacey (, December 06, 1999.

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