Listen to the archived report from World Trade Watch for Day 4 as soon as it is up - sometime this evening hopefully (it is live right now) for reports on what is going on in Seattle that isn't getting reported - they just reported police rushing with horses and basically kidnapping a well known activist, firing on people walking down the street, preventing people from attending sessions that are open to all, people that have been arrested and are being held have not been given water or food or necessary medical care.

This is all making me SICK.

Very important implications for what will happen if Y2K is serious. Very important evidence that we do NOT live in a democracy like everyone thinks and the world is seeing this.

-- Sheri (wncy2k@nccn.net), December 02, 1999

Answers

I like how you forget to mention that the people took swings at the police first. Are you suffering from the selective memory syndrom?

-- Richard Noggin (RichardNoggin@hockeymail.com), December 02, 1999.

Do you really believe that? There is distinction between looters and the protestors which is not being made in mainstream media. I am telling you from the report I just listened to and journalist colleagues that are there RIGHT now in Seattle and who report back to our community via the radio station that I am an investigative reporter with also. Attacks are being made on people that are doing nothing but what they are free to do under the constitution. Police are roaming the streets and continuing to indiscriminately use tear gas, pepper spray, etc. People who are part of the press with offical press passes are also being attacked as they hold up their press pass - they don't seem to care. Wake up.

-- Sheri (wncy2k@nccn.net), December 02, 1999.

Intersting that Dachau is at the bottom of this page!

-- Sheri (wncy2k@nccn.net), December 02, 1999.

Mr.Richard Noggin (alias:Mr.Dick Head)

Your handle says it all.

-- ROTFLMAO (your@probably a.troll), December 02, 1999.

Wake up is right. Even Celia Thaxter agrees that this is crap.

-- a (a@a.a), December 03, 1999.

Sheri, thanks for passing on the info that you have access to; I'm real happy to get that link to the hour braodcast as well! With all the conflicting info we see on y2k, I think everyone here has learned the value of looking at all sources, then applying critical analysis to form our own opinions.

-- Hokie (nn@va.com), December 03, 1999.

I feel sorry for the National Guard and guys trying to keep order. Seattle has a lot of frickin grunge heads that don't give a rats ass about the WTO, they just want to rebel against authority and cause trouble. Those assholes are just making things a lot worse for Y2K by setting a terrible example of how to react when the Guard hits the streets to help. There's NO excuse for violence.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 03, 1999.

And you can bet those same hooligans will be ready at y2k!

-- Sheri (wncy2k@nccn.net), December 03, 1999.

While we are urged to feel sorry for the National Guard, let us NEVER forget the "meticulous and disciplined" REAL Men In Black who started it ALL!!

Can one say agent provocateur and POLICE RIOT in the same breath?? COINTELPRO lives!!
-- K. Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), December 03, 1999.

While we are urged to feel sorry for the National Guard, let us NEVER forget the "meticulous and disciplined" REAL Men In Black who started it ALL!!

Can one say agent provocateur and POLICE RIOT in the same breath?? COINTELPRO lives!!

-- K. Stevens (kstevens@ It's ALL going away in January.com), December 03, 1999.

Nope, you're wrong K. Stevens. As much as I hate government, and as much as I like to believe conspiracies, this one just don't fly.

You're so-called "agent provocateurs" were wearing gas masks were they not? So why then did the government make it illegal to wear them?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 03, 1999.

>>I am an investigative reporter with also.

Don't make me laugh. You would'nt know what a "investigative reporter" was if it sat on your face. Kurt Cobain is dead. Deal with it.

-- Richard Noggin (RichardNoggin@hockeymail.com), December 03, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

I like how you forget to mention that the people took swings at the police first.

I don't know what specific inident you're talking about, but I saw a clip showing a protester who had his arms behind his back (I don't know if they were cuffed or if he was holding them back there to make it perfectly clear that he was not attacking anyone. Some police were jostling him and he leaned in to them, apparently to keep from being herded where he didn't want to go. For this, he got sprayed in the face, and was shown going down to the pavement. The next shot showed someone whose face was on the ground (apparently the same protester) with a police officer's heavy boot very deliberately being positioned to hold him down by means of a boot on the face. Granted, I don't know what happened to bring them to this point, but the part I saw didn't look good for the police. It seems to be orchestrated to get across the message that any Y2K disruptions will be controlled not by Officer Friendly, but by Officer Tough-Guy.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 03, 1999.

To Richard Noggin - that shows how much you know and have researched.

-- Sheri (wncy2k@nccn.net), December 03, 1999.

There are not any "implications for what will happen if Y2K is serious."

Take your dirty laundry to alt.conspiracy where it belongs.

And DO go back to the history books, you'll learn we are a representive democracy, DO please know what nation you live in and how it operates.

-- Paula (chowbabe@pacbell.net), December 03, 1999.

One time my husband and I fell asleep outside in a public park. At five in the morning, we were awakened by a policeman kicking my husband in the foot. We had no weapons and posed no threat. But I'm sure Paula has a reasonable explanation for this.

-- Amy Leone (leoneamy@aol.com), December 03, 1999.

I'm kind of cheering the cops on. Go! Go!

The cops are clearly demonstrating to bystanders, protesters, and press that this country is not a free country, despite what the talking heads tell us it is. Maybe it takes a boot in the face or a lung full of pepper spray to wake these people up.

It's sick and disgusting, but maybe if the people watching this can finally figure out that non-violence is not going to win us our freedom back, they can steel themselves for the fight ahead.

-- Tim the Y2K nut (tmiley@yakko.cs.wmich.edu), December 03, 1999.

Amy,

Yes, there is an explanation for that. It's called NO LOITERING. Do you know how many vagrants would be camping out in the Public Parks if they allowed you to do that?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 03, 1999.

Can someone explain how kicking a young man in the crotch and shooting him point-blank with rubber bullets could be considered crowd control? That is BRUTALITY!

Even Seattle officials are now confirming that innocent bystanders were assaulted. The hoodlums actions are to be condemned, and I hope they are prosecuted, but the police had NO RIGHT to respond in the manner that many did. They used heavy-handed, thug-like tactics. They are not fit to wear the badge they wore, they are a disgrace!

Please see:

http://www.seattletimes.com

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), December 03, 1999.

Gaawd, I'm sick of whiners!

You need to understand that in a crowd control situation the law enforcement are the ones who are threatened because they are outnumbered by about 100 to 1. They are trained to subdue by force anyone who ignores their command or approaches them with apparent intent of making physical contact.

In other words, if you ignore them when they ask you to back off, and you enter into the space where you could be a threat, you should expect to be clubbed. Do you honestly think these cops can afford to try to guess out of a mob of people which ones might attack and which ones are peaceful?

The Rodney King situation was entirely different because it was like 8 or 10 cops on one person. In a crowd control situation, try to put yourself in their shoes, and see how it feels to be greatly outnumbered. Gaawd, people are idiots!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 03, 1999.