Power plant rumor

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posted December 02, 1999 12:03 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you're closed-minded with a narrow perspective, you can just ignore this post.

If you have any negative comments regarding my lack of referencing my sources or my failure to identify the power plant or location in question, save it; I really don't give a diddlely-squat what you have to say challenging this report.

This report is for interested parties who are open-minded with a broad perspective, who can think for themselves, and make their own decisions in life without having to depend on some earthly "savior."

Information has come to me from a reliable source that a very close friend of his whose immediate relative is the general manager of a large powerplant (in a landlocked western state - this powerplant distributes electricity to seven western states) has warned his immediate family members of the following: "We're already experiencing y2k failures. We're getting (bomb) threats phoned into the plant telling us things like, 'We're going to take your plant out.' (Guess who? and I don't mean the rock and roll band - ap) The plant is not likely to be producing electricity after the rollover."

Remember, this is the top guy at the powerplant.

That is all the info I have. You can take it FWIW. I have complete confidence in my source.

-- Ed (ed@lizzardranch.com), December 02, 1999

Answers

Ed Lizzard, we know who you are taking about and back you up. Yes this is true info.

Be prepared to be self-sufficient, self-reliant, folks.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 02, 1999.


So can we have the name of the power plant? A hint at which 7 states it provides power to? Any specifics here at all? Name names please!! It's too late in the game here to protect anyone as lives depend on this information.

-- LOON (blooney10@aol.com), December 02, 1999.

Interesting Post! Off topic question for you: Regarding your previous posting one month ago about the Cobb county, GA public water systems Y2k readiness status (may not make it in time for the rollover): Have you heard or seen any more information about this issue ? I have close relatives living there. Thanks.

-- BrianL (bliebenstein@camcar.textron.com), December 02, 1999.

Ed,

I have a fairly good idea about the generation station's location. And I believe your info to be quite correct.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Shakey~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), December 02, 1999.


Ed, No doubts as to the veracity of your comments. Only one thing I can say

Ruh Roh Raggy...

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan101st@Aol.com), December 02, 1999.



OK...I'll ask it another way. Is Michigan involved in this power plant's breakdown? If you don't want to answer on the board you can email me. My address is real. Thanks!

-- LOON (blooney10@aol.com), December 02, 1999.

Excuse me if I sound a little peeved, but you folks bitch and scream about companys and the gov not disclosing such information. Shakey and Leska and Ed apparently refuse to disclose as well. So how does this make you any different from "TPTB".

I'm so sick of this "I've got a secret" crap. If you don't want to spill the beans, don't contribute to the thread.

R.

-- Roland (nottelling@nohwere.com), December 02, 1999.


Ed,

I'm sorry, but I agree with LOON. I see no point in making people even more anxious with yet another unverifyable post. For God's sake, we've got enough rumors and innuendo as it is, and they've helped to turn some of these people into even worse basket-cases than they already are. If you can't come through with specifics of some sort, what is your purpose in posting this? To needlessly drive people even more nuts? Have a heart, guy!

-- eve (123@4567.com), December 02, 1999.


Roland, you do sound a little peeved. Patience.. somebody will blurt out a name soon enough....... or at least co-ordinates...........

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), December 02, 1999.

Actually, Roland does make a good point. I have family out in the midwest and this story is quite alarming. I'm not doubting the truthfulness of it but, at least a location would be nice.

-- Familyman (prepare@home.com), December 02, 1999.


Roland, we are *trying* to call up the Link, but it will not load. Loaded fine yesterday. Patience ...

Nobody can prove yet whether anything will or will not happen.

Hint: Numerous times we have posted sites where, if one is so inclined, one can go and talk to people of like concerns who are in the know via their connections.

"Hiding in plain sight ..."

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 02, 1999.


Don't mean to attack...just frustrated with this whole damn situation. Plus I have a nasty sinus infection and am heavily medicated. :-)

R.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), December 02, 1999.


If you're closed-minded with a narrow perspective, you can just ignore this post.

If you have any negative comments regarding my lack of referencing my sources or my failure to identify the power plant or location in question, save it; I really don't give a diddlely-squat what you have to say challenging this report.

So, immediately a bunch of people bitch because Ed didn't give them the locations and the affected states.

Sigh!!!

Stop expecting other people to make decisions for you!!!!!

-- me (PO'd@idiots.here), December 02, 1999.


First time site won't load. eMail won't come thru now either. Probably ISP problems. They usually resolve within a few hours.

The reason we won't just blurt it out is because we would like to post the Link for back-up, as we usually do. Have to review if this was supposed to be "confidential."

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 02, 1999.


Welllll Rolanddd. I certainly hope you brought enough for EVERYONE.

:)

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), December 02, 1999.



You know I take the potential risks seriously and advocate preparation at all levels. But we must have more to go on than this.

Got links? Verification?

Please understand that I'm not calling anyone a liar here. The story may be true, it may not be true.

But I agree with those who point out that such information is unverifiable and thus, worthless for the purpose on evaluating risk. If we cannot point to some kind of documentation or at least some other corroborating evidence, then the story should not be used to make risk judgements on.

If we posts links to where such information comes from, we can at least begin to evaluate the credibility of the source. We can then agree or disagree about the credibility of such sources. But without this information, stories such as this must necessarily be dismissed - not because they are clearly false - they may or may not be - but because we have no way of knowing.

-- Arnie Rimmer (Arnie_Rimmer@usa.net), December 02, 1999.


Dear Loon, et al., Is there something you would do different if you knew the name of the plant? I mean isn't that the point? What to do? This ain't a parlor game, right?

After all, there are only three power grids in the USA, East, West, and Texas. Any big "oh-oh" and they come down to the extent that the breakers trip and limit the outage.

As for bombing a plant into zero output, that's overkill, though I'm sure people stupid enough to want to bomb a plant, think that that is what is required. Anybody with a scoped deer or bear rifle could take down a plant or island it with a few dozen well placed shots. I guess it would depend on hard you want to make it to repair it. Now that I think of it, one single shot on one single component would take that plant down for at least one day, probably longer. NOt a comforting thought.

Infrastructure is fragile? Nah, nothing to worry about, go back to sleep. Moo. Moo. Moo.

-- Ken Seger (kenseger@earthlink.net), December 02, 1999.


What would happen if you posted the state?

Are you afraid they'll track you down & shoot you in the back of the head?

Just wondering. A rumor is a rumor, after all. No one ever got arrested for passing along that looney story about Richard Gere & the hamster.

-- this is too important (to@lie.about), December 02, 1999.


What would I do different? Nothing..

However something as important as this (if verfied) could help convert some of my DGI family members, especially if it were connected with the state they live in.

-- Marli (can'tget@it.duh), December 02, 1999.


Hey people, what does it matter where? I'd bet if you could peek into lots of power plants you'd see similar stories, just plan like it is your local provider, if not, hey, be happy!

If it is, then be prepared!

It is real easy for everybody to say sure go ahead stick your neck out and get it chopped.

-- rumdoodles (rumdoodles@yahoo.com), December 02, 1999.


Just guessing... PacifiCorp operates in 7 western states. Though its headquarters seems to be in Ore. (which isn't landlocked). Any better guesses?

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), December 02, 1999.

My title for this thread 'Power plant rumor' was meant to convey the message as one I picked up elsewhere. They are not my words. It is a posting from another forum, one that caters to patriot / militia interests. Although I myself am not active on that forum or in any groups relative to the forum I do consider it a source for news and ideas.

I reposted to TB2000 with the thought that some of you may be much better able to disect it than myself. Again this is a repost, not my info / words. Sorry for any confusion.

-- Ed (ed@lizzardranch.com), December 02, 1999.


OK circling sharks, draw blood here:

November 30, 1999

Have been recommending these & their archives for a long time now! That's where we got DD's info too.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 02, 1999.


All that's there is a screen of soy beans nothing else!

-- ~~~~ (~~~@~~~.com), December 02, 1999.

Thank you Ashton & Leska for the link. I appreciate the information. I didn't realise that it was going to be this much work just to get a name and place!!!!!

As for those who asked what would I do different if I knew the name of the power plant in question.....well I guess nothing more than I have been doing. It's just that we come to these boards for information and I can't see any sense in beating around the bush so much. I see no reason not to want more specific information. After all that is why we're here reading these boards isn't it? If the added information wasn't important then I guess we wouldn't turn on the computer and would just spend all this extra time preparing wouldn't we?

-- LOON (blooney10@aol.com), December 02, 1999.


Pacific Power and Utah Power are subsidiaries of PacifCorp, the Portland OR-based conglomerate which was recently sold to ScottishPower, in the first purchase of a major US utility by a foreign company. For more info, see the following URL: http://www.pacificorp.com/paccomp/index.html

Those of us in the seven NW states served by this outfit may be in for some very interesting times....

-- Norm Harrold (nharrold@tymewyse.com), December 02, 1999.


Ed,

I'm sorry, I really didn't mean to rail you so hard on this. But I'm already witnessing people literally coming apart at the seams trying to determine what's true and what's not; so seeing this was a little hard to take. I know you meant well, though.

-- eve (123@4567.com), December 02, 1999.


Thanks Ed and A&L. Wy is our home state. Nuff said 'bout that.

Time for bed. I'm just so tired, know what I mean?

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), December 03, 1999.


OK, I'll post the relevant excerpts:

[20:12] (@GregCaton): Then.. I found out about a power plant in Wyoming... (and this really is inside scoop....) [20:12] (@GregCaton): They are absolutely not going to make it...

[20:13] (AWizard2): is the plant coal fired or nyclear? [20:13] (@GregCaton): Furthermore, workers are having to stay from Dec 26th until around January 6th...

[20:13] (@GregCaton): They're in shock over the announcement. [20:14] (@GregCaton): It's conventional. Not nuke...

[20:14] (@GregCaton): Anyways... there's more... [20:15] (@GregCaton): The plant, according to my source, received threats through an employee. The plant took it seriously enough to call the FBI...

[20:15] (@GregCaton): This isn't hearsay. My source is a personal friend, who in turn is best friend's with the plant's GM...

[20:16] (AWizard2): hope that plant in wyo doesn't bring down the grid in colo [20:17] (@GregCaton): It supplies power to seven states. [20:17] (AWizard2): but will plan accordingly [20:17] (@GregCaton): I know the name of the plant, location, etc.... but (and this is NOT a cop-out), I was asked by the source not to repeat specifics...

[20:18] (@Ryker`): What are the seven states Gref?...

[20:18] (@GregCaton): More recently a source at Battel Corporation, a government think-tank, has a source that told me that things are looking considerably worse in the field, despite happy face pronouncements...

[20:20] * AWizard2 has seen some info about already having problems with production [20:20] (AWizard2): about companies [20:20] (@GregCaton): ID, MT, WY, CO, UT, NV, and parts of eastern OR as I understand it. [20:21] (AWizard2): well it will probably be lights out here [20:21] (@GregCaton): Clinton's "National Emergency" plans are getting a lot of airplay this week....

[20:22] * Otosan sings ...and all the lights went out in CO....:)

[20:28] (@GregCaton): According to my source in Wyoming, an FBI source told him that they expect MAJOR terrorist activity. [20:29] (mercyn): did you receive them? [20:29] (@GregCaton): The terrorist nut cases have a collection notion that if they don't strike in January, when so many things will be blamed on Y2K, they will never get a chance like this. [20:29] (@GregCaton): Y2K will be the scapegoat for many things unrelated to computers. [20:29] (@GregCaton): Mercyn : My source in Wyoming did. [20:29] (@GregCaton): .. and think about it: it isn't like Wyoming has a notable Islamic community or anything...

There may be more, but that's what I was able to find at first peek.

-- counting down (the@days.now), December 03, 1999.


Wyoming. Powder River Basin coal mines. Coal mines are very electricity dependent. No power for coal mines. Other power plants dependent on Powder River Basin coal get no fuel. Other power plants with no fuel means increasing power shortages as other plants run out of fuel.

This reads like a slow unraveling of the grid as coal stockpiles are consumed. It could all be gone and there in that handbasket by April.

WW

-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), December 03, 1999.


Have a good friend in Colorado. Someone he is very close to runs a power plant in Wyoming... He's the general manager. It's on the Larimie River. They are already experiencing Y2K problems and he told my friend in CO that they don't expect to be able to produce power for at least several weeks after the first. Does this meet with your experience of probably from Seattle Power & Light? yes Back to Wyoming They have gotten threats to the plant (no kidding)... so they are setting up sleeping quarters so employees can stay there from Dec 26 to Jan 7th or thereafter... (Oh whatthehell....) It's the Laramie River Power Plant. My understanding is that they are conventional. I don't know the Megawattage. How big an area does this feed? Feeds to 7 states via their grid. Do you have any old friends back at Seattle Power & Light? Do they still report that they are woefully behind? they are very far behind Have they conducted anything even close to an end-to-end test? no not even close they dont have the mainframe power to do that, and continue to run normally So the Laramie situation goes along with your experience? most people do not realize that companies barley have enough power to continue with there present needs how could they have having serious Y2k problems this early ????? what exactly is your reasoning regarding no power in 31 days? so to test the system everything else must be shut down, and this is not possible I know... as I said a couple weeks ago. We are having serious power problems here at the high end industrial level.

-- reading (link@its.long), December 03, 1999.

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