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Ashton and Leska, Hawk, anyone!!!!! I posted a couple of days ago, I have seen chemtrails over Dallas before, but there is nothing like actually seeing them doing it right over your home. Today around lunch time, in a suburb north of Dallas, 4 jets flying overhead, covering a HUGE distance total, made near-perfect criss-cross lines. I watched them morph the rest of the day. They turn into this kind of greyish looking misty, low-lying cloud. You can still make out the lines in some of the clouds. Before they did this it was a cloudless day. IT IS FREAKY!!!!!!

Now I want to know WHAT THE HELL they are spraying!!!! There is NOTHING like seeing it over your own home. God I wish I had a digital camera so I could just put the images here. My regular camera doesn't even work that well. A cheapie bought 11 years ago (this computer is as high-tech as we get in this household--didn't even own a CD player until a year ago).

OK, I know they were posted somewhere else, but I have a request: could everyone who reads this post EVERY SINGLE site they have that concerns chemtrails?????

For those who doubt, you need to bend your neck from the back and take a gander up to the skies more often. I swear the lines look so familiar (though I have never caught them at the beginning when you can see a pattern so well) that I wonder how many years I have only half-noticed them and thought they were jet contrails. There is NO way these are contrails! They would not be NEARLY that big (these were huge and thick) and not NEARLY that low, AND they hang in the sky for, well, the last ones that are still distinct have been in the sky for 6 1/2 hours since I saw them being done. Once it is nightfall obviously you cannot see them.


ANSWERS! We need answers!!!!!!!!!

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), December 01, 1999


---answers--antibiotics in your stash, bleach, soap, pump up sprayers plastic sheeting, duct tape, gas masks and extra filters, all the stuff you should have anyway, including the internal ones. guts, brains, initiative, planning. Now that you are aware, don't freak, just deal with it. pay attention to all sorts of reports of what's going on. Put the pieces together for yourself. Take it for granted that everything you hear about on TV is most likely suspect, at least the important stuff. Be AWARE of what's going on. Listen for reports of strange "flu- LIKE" illnesses. be prepared to button up or bug out if necessary. have stored, SEALED, drinking water in your home. good radios. monitor many sites on the net, and listen to alternative shows on the radio. take everything with a grain of salt, no one is EVER just going to come right out and tell you anything directly, you'll have to get it from "clues". Once you have a huge amount of "clues" happening all at once, then is the time for action. I've posted some warning signs before.

also, pay no attention to folks who would have you not believe what you just saw. Disinformation is real. It IS different, what you saw, isn't it? It's not "normal". the times we are in are not "normal". Lot of foreign countries DO NOT like us. certain members of our own government DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU. THINGS ARE WEIRD NOW.

pay attention and stay home around christmas, just be quiet, and listen. that's all I can say. take care, good luck, better skill zog

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), December 01, 1999.

preparing, we're with you, it is really trippy watching it. We aren't in a position to research it now. The spraying seems to be accelerating. Seattle has been very instructive in the progression of .gov .mil reactions. Not saying they're wrong; not putting any value judgements on things; not enough time! -- just observing as keenly as possible and being alert for clues and patterns.

Get your shelter-in-place kit together and pray, rest, eat well, exercise, and know that for some reason, all of us were born at this time to witness something unique, and to KNOW that we're in the middle of exceedingly interesting times. Too many are sleepwalking through it.

When the lines and boxes streak the sky, call everybody you know in the area and ask them to immediately go to their windows and look up in the sky.

This is going to have to be a word-of-mouth awareness thing, and there's not much time left. Here in Cascadia already the sky is soggy grey and weeping buckets. Star-gazing will have to wait until March (well really July) if we're still around then.

Know you are among friends here! You have our sympathy. Maybe the entire Forum is too Polly.

And Zog, thanks much for patiently posting your thoughts on these chemtrail threads! Not OT !! unfortunately.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 01, 1999.

Thanks Zog and A & L for your comments. So trippy is right. I just think that SOMEONE has to know what this is about. Humans are flying those planes. Wish I could see where they are landing.

This is really way out there, but has anyone ever thought of visually keeping up with one of those jets after it is done and tracking down where it lands? Is that even possible by a land vehicle? I guess once they are done they can go pretty quickly to their landing place, which I would guess is pretty out there. (Although can planes that big land at rural airports? Wish I could hang out at DFW and/or Love Field full time and check it out)

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), December 01, 1999.

BTW, what is a shelter-in-place kit??? We have no gas masks, etc./

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), December 01, 1999.

I've no doubt these things are real. There has been to many postings from what I consider reliable people. These clouds must be obvious to everyone.Why will no one in a position of authority give an explanation?

-- Reg (rhogg@hotmail.com), December 01, 1999.

Shelter In Place: Make Your Kits

Shelter In Place

aka SIP

[ Courtesy of ECHO Caer Group, Emergency Communications for Hazardous Operations, taught through the Portland, Oregon Fire Dept Training Center ]

[ For Educational Purposes ]

"There may be a time when an emergency takes place in your community due to an airborne toxic chemical release. The outside air quality may be affected to the point that it is not safe to be outside or evacuate. In a case like this it is usually safer to shelter-in-place until wind disperses and moves the toxic chemical away.


Many, but not all, facilities (chemical/industrial plants) and emergency vehicles have alarm, siren, horn, or similar notification devices or systems. A three to five minute continuous signal means:

"Turn on TV or radio. Listen for essential emergency information."

These various signal devices may use different tones. The key is that they will be continuously activated for three to five minutes. If you hear this signal go inside immediately and turn on your radio or TV.

For Airborne toxic chemical releases the safest immediate action is to shelter-inplace while listening for further instructions.


1. Move inside immediately and turn on radio or TV for emergency information.
Proceed right away to:

2. Close all windows and doors.

3. Turn off ventilation systems. Remember heating, cooling, air pumps, bathroom fans, kitchen fans, oven/stove ventilation fans, dryer exhaust, chemney/fireplace vents, etc.

4. In buildings, go into and seal a room if possible.

5. Continue to listen to radio or TV for further instructions.


Go inside the nearest structure such as a home, school, store, public building. Bring pets inside if practical. If indoors already, stay there. Turn on radio or TV for emergency information. If you are in a vehicle, close all windows, manual vents and ventilation systems.

In a structure:
Shut all windows, doors, chimney or fire place vents. This includes everything that can quickly and easily be closed to prevent the chemical from entering.

Turn off forced air heating or cooling systems. Turn of stove and bathroom exhaust fans.

Go into a room, preferably with no, or few, windows or outside air vents. If possible seal doors, windows, vents, etc. with plastic and tape or wet rags.

Continue to listen to the radio or TV on a local emergency alert system station until the emergency is over or until you are given instruction to evacuate. (Use a battery powered radio if the power is off.)


It is important that you have a plan for your home or business for sheltering-in-place. Some key steps in this plan are:

* Knowing what doors and windows are likely to be open and assigning some one to check and close and LOCK them. Locking seals better.

* Knowing where the manual vents are and how to close them.

* Knowing where forced air heating or cooling controls/power exhaust vents are and how to turn them off.

* Knowing what room you will go to and how to seal it. Have a kit pre-prepared for this consisting of things such as plastic sheeting, strong tape, duct tape, rags, towels, water, snacks, etc.
Pre-cut the plastic to completely seal all windows and doors and any vents in your designated shelter room. With easy-to-see large labels, clearly mark on the plastic which opening/window/door/vent it fits.

* Have a radio (preferably two). Have one electric and one battery operated radio in the room you've identified. Know the emergency alert system station(s) for your area and have the station numbers written on a piece of tape attached to the radio.


Most chemical release incidents are short-term in nature. But for any potential emergency situation, always keep an adequate supply of contained food and water sources, flashlights, first aid kit, batteries, a portable radio, essential medicines and other essentials. Practice safety drills to be prepared and know the emergency plans for your workplace and schools.


When a release or spill is identified, some chemical plants dispatch trained emergency responders to quickly assess the situation and plan an approrpiate response. If offsite impacts are possible, local response agencies (Emergency Management Agency, Fire Department, etc) are contacted and consulted with. The local response agencies will then decide what actions, if any, are necessary to protect the surrounding community.

[ Note: these instructions were not written with Y2K in mind, when communications may be overwhelmed or out and emergency responders completely overwhelmed. ]

Sheltering inside a building is considered to be a proven method of protecting yourself and your family in the event of an accidental release.


* Close all doors to the outside and close and lock all windows (windows sometimes seal better when locked);

* Turn off ventilation systems;

* Monitor the local Emergency Alert System (EAS) radio station for updates and remain in shelter until authorities indicate it is safe to come out.

Select a room in the building where occupants can be the most comfortable and which is easy to seal off. This room should, if possible, provide access to water, toilet facilities, and adequate room for people to sit or lie down. The room should have a battery-powered radio, snack foods, and bottled water.

Many people opt for the master bedroom area with bathroom.

If the gas or vapor is soluble or even partially soluble in water -- hold a wet cloth or handkerchief over your nose and mouth if the gases start to bother you. For a higher degree of protection, go into the bathroom, close the door, and turn on the shower in a strong spray to "wash" the air. Seal any openings to the outside of the bathroom as best as you can. Don't worry about running out of air to breathe. That is highly unlikely in normal homes and buildings.

Be sure to make Shelter-In-Place kits, with pre-cut, marked heavy plastic and strong tape to seal your closed doors, windows, vents, exhaust systems -- anywhere anything from outside could get in. Keep your kit accessible in the designated room. Make sure all members of the family know what the kit is for, how to use it, and why. Drill and practice Sheltering-In-Place.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 01, 1999.

What I find strange is that they'd be doing this stuff in broad daylight. I mean, wouldn't it be better to keep it hidden by spraying just before dawn so the 'stuff' hits the groud when everyone is outside on their way to work? Why do it when anyone and everyone can see?


-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), December 01, 1999.

They got you in sight

-- bubba (gubbament@urhouse.com), December 01, 1999.

Man !!!I'm seeing the same thing over my house, thats so f#cking weird.What is going on!!!

-- cryptkeeper- (eaten@alive.com), December 01, 1999.

It must be Polly spray :-)

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), December 01, 1999.

What it is, is anti-goofball spray. But they accidentally loaded liquid placebo and it is failing. Get a grip...

-- Rob (maxovrdrv51@hot,ail.com), December 01, 1999.

Tech: You ever heard of hiding in plain sight? Best place to hide! Esp. something big, like this. Besides, doing it under the cover of near darkness would make it seem more suspicious, wouldn't it?

Sheesh, we could probably have a demonstration of the "leaders" of this country wiping their #sses with the Constitution in the streets and no one would show up or care....especially not when there is a sale at Spend Your Bucks Mall!

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), December 01, 1999.


An anonymous pilot informed Will Thomas (investigator) that these flights were being dispatched from some of the remote military locations such as the Nevada desert. Pilots are undoubtedly highly classified - like the "I could tell you but I'd have to kill you" kind of thing. Airspace is cleared in advance by the DOD through the FAA so air traffic controllers have no idea what they are doing. Gubmint has ways of doing these things without anyone knowing what they are doing. So we witnesses are simply viewed as lunatics because we see something unusual but have no explanation.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), December 01, 1999.

They must be spraying lithium over population areas to keep the masses soothed until a controlled shut-down can take place.

-- Feller (feller@wanna.help), December 01, 1999.

If you see it again, maybe you could call your local TV station(s) and suggest that they point their cameras skyward....

-- Norm Harrold (nharrold@tymewyse.com), December 01, 1999.

Hi all:

There's an interesting article at

http://home.att.net/~malrm/CT01.html done by TARA (The American- Research Alliance) called "THE CONTRAILS".

Still no spraying up at 54.00N 122.73E (my acreage) yet.

Believe me, if I see it, you'll know it...

-- (Kurt.Borzel@gems8.gov.bc.ca), December 01, 1999.

"If you see it again, maybe you could call your local TV station(s) and suggest that they point their cameras skyward.... "

Nice idea, but I think you'd just get shrugs from most folks, or "those are just normal contrails."

Later, of course, you'd get anonymous death threats. ;->

-- no one (wants@to.know), December 01, 1999.

Your reports are plausible but they're not credible. Help us out here - call your police departments, call the press. Even a small town paper would do. Please, please try and understand that unless you've seen this yourself, it reads like paranoid wacko stuff. I'm sorry, but you're hurting the group. Help us out here.

-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), December 02, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

My Shelter In Place List

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), December 02, 1999.

Colin, for your information the subject of chemtrails has been published in 2 small town newspapers. One happened about 6-8 months ago in the south east. Perhaps someone with more time on their hands can dig it up. The other paper was my home town paper (Aspen, CO) reporting that the town council had been approached by a concerned citizen and wanted them to look into the heavy spraying of our community.

One of the 2 newspapers in our town was sent information regarding a government employee who was very close to speaking out on his knowledge of the spraying. This was also the subject of a recent Art Bell interview with author/researcher William Thomas, who came here to speak on the subject this past August.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), December 02, 1999.

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