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You have been warned for YEARS now, people....get ready for the STHTF! If you have told ANYONE about your preps, it was a BIG mistake!

"They won't prepare, but they WILL remember" - Gary North

-- Tempest (in@tea.pot), November 29, 1999

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Cross posting a

from another forum? Nice one!

-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), November 29, 1999.

Stop worrying, read the message. People ARE storing fuel in dangerous ways. A guy here in our town decided to store 150 gallons of gas in his garage and his brother turned him in. He wasnt doing it for Y2k he was doing it because of the price of gas going up. Fire department and cops showed up and made him get it out of his garage. Gas is extremely flammable and can cause an uncontrollable fire for fireman to handle in a residential area.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), November 29, 1999.

PLEASE PLEASE don't be dense! here is the actual thread title: "Where do I report my loony neighbor?" IT SAYS NOTHING ABOUT GETTING THEM TO STORE IT SAFELY.

They want them "turned in".

Buy a clue folks, and don't be lulled to sleep....when the veneer of society gets pulled away in the first few weeks of 2000, I will be proven correct. But until then, the pollies want all of the "y2k nutcases" turned in or investigated. Only until 2000 comes and then they will be banging on your door, begging for a handout!

-- Tempest (in@tea.pot), November 29, 1999.

Let them eat gas!

-- JB (noway@jose.com), November 29, 1999.

Tempest... I think the point was that this is a TROLL posting. Not a "real" situation anymore than the planted stories of little ol' ladies being robbed of $10,000 in cash on their way home from the bank. Its sole purpose was to scare the doomcrowd. Or more importantly the fence sitters who haven't yet decided whether to prep or not.

Bait.

Hook.

Don't bite.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), November 29, 1999.

It's the attitude....the attitude that is critical.

"Turn in your neighbor" ...." for the good of us all."

This summer, the seeds were sown when Maryland asked people to turn in their neighbors for watering on the wrong day.... and in Michigan, the town council, corrupted by ONE person who lost their job to a home-schooling couple, forced that couple off of their farm out of vindictiveness.....

Yep, it's starting.

.....

Funny, that quickly became "Turn in your parents" when the Stalin socialists and then the national socialists wanted to know who had grain in the 1930's, who was safe-guarding Jews in the 30's, who was safeguarding resistence fighters in the 40's.....

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), November 29, 1999.

Actually, it IS a real situation. I agree with you that they have a right to keep whatever they want in their front yard, but their rights should stop where my yard begins. If those drums contained water, it wouldn't be a big deal at all, but those drums contain highly volatile, toxic chemicals. If they want to blow up their house, that's no big deal to me. But they have enough stored up that they could easily do considerable damage to my house as well, and I won't stand for that.

-- Nerd Rustler (rightsandresponsibilities@unreasonablerisk.com), November 29, 1999.

That kind of thing is exactly why I filled my gas drums one at a time, AT NIGHT, and hand-trucked them into the garage. Steel drums, rated for petro-chemicals, rotary cast-iron hand-pump, also properly rated, drums properly vented, and NO ignition sources in the garage.

BUT, I guess the CPR's of the world would still turn me over to the "authorities"....

Got a warrant? No? Get the hell of my property, RIGHT NOW.

-- Dennis (djolson@cherco.net), November 29, 1999.

Hey, if you want to take that kind of risk, that's okay with me. Just move away from my house, or get HAZMAT certified.

-- Nerd Rustler (riskyourownlife@notmine.com), November 29, 1999.

An analogy could fit good here. If someone was sitting on their porch and was shooting at birds, would you not report them to your local sheriff? That person is showing that have no disregard for the well being of the community within the analogy and by storing the large drums of gasoline in their front yard.

Im a Libertarian and believe whatever you do behind your doors to be your own business but when you put others at risk then you should be held accountable for your actions. We do not live in a society of anarchy since its not possible but having common sense is easy for everyone.

-- Village Idiot (BAMECW@aol.com), November 29, 1999.

.... And now, a word from Colin MacDonald:

Enough already !

-- Hillbilly (Hillbilly@possum.creek), November 29, 1999.

You said:

Im a Libertarian and believe whatever you do behind your doors to be your own business but when you put others at risk then you should be held accountable for your actions. We do not live in a society of anarchy since its not possible but having common sense is easy for everyone.

-- Village Idiot (BAMECW@aol.com), November 29, 1999.

I say:

It is not when I put someone at risk, for that is an entirely subjective decision. It is when I have actually harmed someone that I should be accountable for my actions, for that is completely objective. And if I do something that you think puts you at risk, you have the polite recourses to ask me to refrain or to remove yourself from the supposed danger; and you have the impolite recourse to try to force me to do what you want me to do. I contend that in the latter case you have no right so to do, and that I would be justified in meeting force with force. Mob rule (even by a mob of one) is not right, even when it is called democracy.

As an example, about once a year a house in the DC metro area is turned to toothpicks by a natural gas explosion, often damaging a neighboring house. If you build a house next to mine and have natural gas piped in, should I have any complaint until your house explodes and damages mine? Under your logic as stated above you would have to answer, "yes," but I suspect that your real answer would be, "no."

George

-- George Valentine (georgevalentine@usa.net), November 29, 1999.

Hey! That there IS ol' Colin, ain't it!!!

-- bubber (McCoys&H@fields.hix), November 29, 1999.

Does the HAZMAT certification on my class A CDL make a difference to you? To earn that cert, I had to pass a written test on packaging, storing, and transporting hazardous materials, and know what to do and whom to call in the event of a spill or accident.

Or were you looking for a Ph.D. in chemistry?

-- Dennis (djolson@cherco.net), November 29, 1999.

Your certifications don't mean a thing to me, or to anyone, if you seriously think storing gasoline in metal containers on your front lawn is safe.

-- Nerd Rustler (canyousaysafety@lightning.com), November 29, 1999.

I'll agree with your single point; the front lawn is NOT the place to store ANYTHING (flammable or not). Any dangerous items, such as gas or ammunition, must be stored in a SECURE LOCKED area. Proper storage protocols must be adhered to as well. Outside of that, what's on MY property is MY business, and no one else's.

-- Dennis (djolson@cherco.net), November 29, 1999.

You are truly wrong and your example is very wrong. Im talking about potential danger that someone *can* cause vs. actual threats. And if you kept reading then you have seen my take on human nature.

For your idea to work to do *anything* that you please then we would have to live in a anarchy. We don't cause it is not possible and it will never be possible. That is why socialism and communism constantly fail and will always fail in the future.

The idea that you have a properly installed natural gas pipeline is the measures that you would take to keep yourself and your neighbors safe. They are adequite measures that are proven safe for a majority of everyone. Millions upon millions use natural gas each day for years without fail.

Someone though keeping gasoline in unsafe canisters is not only stupid but the person is breaking the law. Now in the same breath if a person wants to smoke weed in their home, consume too much alcohol, or anything else that does not *harm* anyone else then that is their own business.

A society without laws is a society that does not exist because you do not have any advancement in culture. Your idea that you have the right to attack anyone because you don't like their opinion or that they will protect their family is idiotic. Its insane and then you would have to apply the same standards to anything else.

If you cut someone off on the road then they have the right to smash their car into you and kill you or shoot you. Is that a society or is that Beirut?

-- Village Idiot (BAMECW@aol.com), November 29, 1999.

OT: ;) I actually look more like this:


-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), November 30, 1999.

All,

I suggest you check the latest update at "The Loonie Bin". It's been admitted that both his house and his neighbor's house are set back a good distance from the road. In fact, his neighbor owns 5 acres of land and N.R. owns 1 1/2 acres - "Quizling" didn't even know about the gasoline until the dog ran over into the neighbor's yard.

Sounds like "N.R." is more interested in causing grief in someone's life than actually caring about it. Just another power trip by a socially repugnant individual...

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), November 30, 1999.

Nerd,

The problem is that you didn't even TRY to discuss the situation with your neighbor. Yes, you have a valid concern, (even though the barrells sound like they are FAR away from your house), but you should at LEAST discuss the situation with those folks.

Perhaps they'd be receptive to your issues and be happy to work with you on it. You're certainly not helping the issue by "jumping over their heads" and going straight to the fire department. Not only are you going to make yourself look bad to the fire department (by jumping the gun, without all of the facts) but you'll also make a lot of needless enemies. Who are you going to turn to if you need help (Y2K or not), say if your basement floods or you have an emergency (someone gets hurt at your house)?

You're burning bridges that don't need burnt, you've got to think about long-term neighborhood relationships. Bad neighbors can make your life hell and you've just fired the first shot in a very ugly neighborhood war.

-- Deb M. (vmcclell@columbus.rr.com), November 30, 1999.