Ready for Y2K? Got 14 days of water, food, way to keep warm and cook?
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001ocf

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Cooperative Preps : Have you checked out the deals we can get on  preps?

One time deal on a inexpensive grain mill
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001qSw

Water filters for less than suggested retail
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001qT8

Gas masks, potassium iodide, solar ovens, etc
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001qTK

Aladdins: the kerosene lamp for readers
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001p1v

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 25, 1999

Answers

Just like a magazine or a newspaper I'm able to click and bypass your 14 day prep commercial but this time I stopped because I wanted to express how irritated I am with your indefatigable brainwashing on the same topic. Stan - get a life. There is a point where your marketing efforts have a retro effect because they start to get on people's nerves. Got the picture?

-- Guy Daley (guydaley@bwn.net), November 25, 1999.

Thanks for your input. If you have a problem with my posts, please have a sysop contact me and I will stop. Oh... and happy thanksgiving to you and yours. : )

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 25, 1999.

Thanks Stan,

Please don't stop posting, not even after the rollover. Nascent thoughts of Y2K in January might cause excessive panic, and access to your preparation posts will probably bring peace to some. It certainly has to me. Keep posting!

-- Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), November 26, 1999.

Happy Thanksgiving weekend to all!

Yesterday, I had posted the following information as an addition to Stans wonderful resources for preparedness supplies. For some reason it has disappeared from the board so here it is again. I have seen Stans many posts on this subject and just wanted to add another great source for these products. If this post is inappropriate, please feel free to remove this along with any other product promotions of similar nature. __________________________________________________________________ You may have heard in the last few days that Mike Adams was ceasing to make public statements at his Y2K NEWSWIRE site. However, his Members Only area remains active and has become a fabulous clearing house for all sorts of preparedness items from the best suppliers in the business. This includes everything from water filters, baygen flashlights, and solar powered radios to the best selection of food items Ive ever seen. The members have access to all of these items and most of the top supplies in the industry are giving very serious discounts at this site. This includes Michael Hyatts Y2K Prep, Safe-Trek, Preparedness Mart, and many more. Whats the catch you say? You must be a member to get these unbelievable deals and you can get info on this by going to their site @ www.y2ksupply.com or call them @ 307-587-7449. I have been a member for the past 7 months and it was the best investment Ive ever made. I am not associated with Mike Adams and it is my understanding that he makes no money from this (other than selling memberships). You will not find better prices anywhere and the service is great. __________________________________________________________________ Many preparedness suppliers are sitting on slow-moving inventory and this is good news for buyers right now. They are contacting folks like Stan and Mike Adams to offer deep discount offers for group purchasing. Great time to shop around and save big bucks. I understand there is a preparedness version of this forum but I dont have the URL. Should someone care to cross post this message please feel free to do so. God bless.

-- Ready (4@it.com), November 26, 1999.

Hi Ready,

You said, "The members have access to all of these items and most of the top supplies in the industry are giving very serious discounts at this site."

Do you think it is possible they are blowing this stuff out because Y2K isn't going to be as bad as they portend, they know it, and are trying to rid themselves of supplies they can't sell after January?

This is an honest question, please don't blast me.

-- Laura (Ladylogic@aol.com), November 26, 1999.

For the record, only one Y2K supplies dealer has contacted me in regard to unloading surplus inventory. However, no cooperative preps were done with this supplies dealer. To date, all cooperative preps began with someone requesting my assistance in locating a less than retail price for goods and was followed by my search for such goods at low prices. I am not against Y2K suppliers contacting me about good deals, but I am only interested in helping people get what they want at true bargain prices.

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 26, 1999.

Cooperative Preps : Have you checked out the deals we can get on preps?

One time deal on a inexpensive grain mill
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001q Sw

Water filters for less than suggested retail
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001q T8

Gas masks, potassium iodide, solar ovens, etc
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001q TK

Sincerely,
Stan Faryna

Read a rational explanation for making Y2K preparations
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001R UO

Got 14 days of preps? If not, get started now. Click here.

Click here and check out the TB2000 preparation forum.

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 26, 1999.

Dear Laura, You ask a valid question and there would be no reason to respond negatively. Im not sure that my qualifications can allow me to answer you with authority but lets give it a try. I spent my prep money earlier in the year so Ive not actively been in the market for additional supplies. However, about two months ago Mike Adams announced to his members that a major manufacturer of dehydrated storage food was getting out of the business and would offer food units to Mikes members at an unbelievable price of $475.00 for a 1year/1person package. It is my understanding that well over 500 of these systems were sold in a matter of 12 hours or so. As a result of this activity, Mike offered to become a clearinghouse for any mfg./supplier that would offer deep discounts to his members. Just prior to writing this I went to the members site and there are over 200 separate items at deep discounted prices from well over 40 different suppliers.

It is common knowledge that sales of preparedness supplies have been flat since the Spring of this year. Many well known companies have gone under and there is a glut of inventory out there. My guess is these suppliers will do just about anything to move these products before the first of the year. I wont speculate as to their Y2K beliefs but who cares? If you are a person looking for prep items this is your best opportunity to purchase. I mentioned Mike Adams site only because it appears to be the best collection of discounted preps anywhere that Ive seen. You can be assured that I have no vested interest in providing this information. Hope I answered your questions.

-- Ready (4@it.com), November 26, 1999.

Hi Ready,

It is Y2Knewswire that started me in my current polly-mode. I went to his website and read his censure article:

" Due primarily to the fact that our federal government and mainstream press have now succeeded in setting up the American public for a costly, last-minute Y2K panic, I have decided to cease the publication of public articles on Y2K until January 1. "

Ready, that just doesn't make sense! He is going to suspend some publications because the government isn't supplying news? Wouldn't someone with altruistic motives (as he later claims) INCREASE the dispersal of information?

"I have reached this decision following two weeks of As it turns out, this has allowed me to pursue a far more important project to which you will all be invited. Details will be unveiled on December 20th (if not sooner). This new non-profit project, which has nothing to do with Y2K or government cover-ups, will astound you. (I promise!)"

It has nothing to do with Y2K? What do you want to bet he's selling all of his y2k supplies and going into another type of web business that is nonprofit. Maybe he has a serious case of guilts and will start a fund for people who have to file bankruptcy next year.

Furthermore, reliable, responsible people don't tell you to "stay tuned" look for "upcoming events" or anything like that. Can you imagine Microsoft or Boeing advertising "New product coming out next year! Watch for details in your local newspaper." Yeah, right. This type of "tease" set my B.S. radar needle spinning immediately.

"Fact: The American public has largely refused to prepare for Y2K, preferring to believe the spin"

Refused to prepare = Didn't buy his preps.

"Fact: Some of our political leaders have pre-blamed the public for any Y2K problems that appear."

What a crock! I haven't heard the government blame anyone. If anything they have been overcautious in their statements about y2k. Several of the city, state an federal agencies here in Phoenix have even provided sources (financial and directories) for the "public" to remediate their systems. They are not blaming them; they're helping them.

"This is clearly a strategy designed to deflect blame from those who actually caused the problems."

Hmmmm. Now who would that be? He doesn't give us a specific person/entity he wants us to blame. Probably for two reasons: 1) There isn't any one solely responsible, 2) He is intending to obfuscate his reason for ceasing publications.

"Most important fact: Americans always panic in the final moments before any coming crisis for which they are not prepared, whether it be a hurricane, war, or -- I believe -- Y2K."

I learned in third grade not to say "always"! You lose credibility immediately, because everything is never black or white.

"When this happens, officials are going to look for someone to blame. They will never take responsibility for the situation they have caused."

Oh, I see, he's blaming officials. Official what? Ceo's of companies such as Intel, or the governmental officials? Federal, state, county, or city? Maybe my nephew's basketball referee? He hasn't been specific with anything he has said yet.

"Instead, they will attempt to blame the only people who actually tried to prevent the problem: the Internet Y2K skeptics and those people who took action to prepare."

Does he mean "They" are our political leaders that he referred to in the beginning? And "they" will blame people people like me, Ready, and Stan? Has anyone else noticed this article is pure rambling?

"if you haven't prepared by now, don't bother much."

Oh, sure, that's great advice. Along with the rest of his drivel, I vote to circular file this guy.

"After the January 1 rollover, I will restart the publication of public articles, commenting on the events that have, by that time, unfolded."

Well, at least he isn't teotwawki. This is the only thing I give him credit for.

-- Laura (Ladylogic46@aol.com), November 26, 1999.

Hello Once Again Laura, Wow! I must admit to feeling that Im in way over my head here. I had posted the information on preps to offer more sources in addition to Stans postings. It occurred to me that this would be somewhat valuable to forum readers but it seems to have taken on a different life.

First, it was not my intent to sanction the Y2K Newswire site, or Mike Adams, in Y2K related positions.

Second, the listing of available preps is not associated with Mr. Adams viewpoints or positions. It is simply an area of the Members site that is an element of member associated benefits.

Third, to the best of my knowledge Mike Adams has no products for sale on his site and takes no payment or commissions from the vendor offered products. I certainly could be mistaken on this but outside of membership dues, Mr. Adams creates no direct income from the Y2K Newswire site.

Today, I have spent some time on this forum reading many questions (threads) and the resulting posts. If I am to believe what Ive read it would appear that Stan Faryna is being paid to post all of his prep articles and may in fact generate some sort of commission from resulting sales. Is this a problem? There appears to be a lot of infighting going on here and it would seem that sales of products are banned from this site. If so, why is Mr. Faryna given free reign to insert his advertising so often? He sure gives me the impression that his message must show-up often and repeatedly.

Im now extra curious at what happened to my original post yesterday. At the risk of offending anyone I would find it disturbing if only Mr. Faryna were allowed to generate income on this forum when others are not. I will exclude myself from this scenario, as this is not my intent. Preps are very important and to allow one individual to have an unlimited business opportunity would, in my opinion, destroy the credibility of this forum and the guidelines set forth. Whew! Think Ill have a turkey sandwich.

-- Ready (4@it.com), November 26, 1999.

Ready (4@it.com),

I think you need to get your facts straight, before you make insinuations about me.

Cheers! Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 26, 1999.

Mr. Faryna, Please understand that my comments were based on information I read in posts like the following: _____________________________________________________________________ AboutTB2000.forum: You said "It's hecklers and those who start the same thread 75 times in a row that are now (finally) being deleted." Hecklers I can see giving the boot....but Stan Faryna has started his "14 days of preps" thread at least 75 times.....at the request of the mod team! Stan's post is filled with links and if you check....you see that visiting those links sets cookies in your browser....and ID's you so that if you make any purchases, they are credited to Stan. IMHO, that breaks both the spam rule AND the vendor posting rule. Why doesn't Stan get deleted? Why doesn't minnisotasmith get deleted? or any of the other posters that constantly give links to their own forums or prep sites?

-- ask (and@you.will.be.deleted), November 26, 1999. ____________________________________________________________________ It appeared to be common knowledge that you were being compensated for your efforts and my statement was so what. This is a forum for people who want to prepare for emergencies so who could care? I just felt that reading through the posts that you were given some kind of exclusive status to sell these items. I apologize if I have offended you and your clarification regarding your financial status with these vendors would clear the air. God Bless.

-- Ready (4@it.com), November 26, 1999.

Thanks again to all my friends here for the kind words. I will be revising the 14 Days of Preps soon to reflect the short time and, perhaps, limited resources which people may face should they decide to prepare. While there is not much time left, some people will be able to make preparations-- even if it is only for a rough 14 days. As for the cooperative preps, they are fast coming to a conclusion as we are running out of time to place orders, receive goods, repack, and sip them off.

In the past, debunkers criticized (in the most unkindest spirit) the fact that the books linked in 14 Days of Preps were associated with an Amazon account. I repeat what I said then too such crticism: the commissions earned from those links and links elsewhere on the web associated with that account go to a shelter for abused women. At the time, I provided the name and address of the CPA firm that would verify such to written requests, but as far as I have heard no such requests were received.

As far as the cooperative preps go, I have received no commission in cash or goods. I have made no money or charged any money for my time spent organizing the cooperative preps, repacking goods, and shipping them out. In all of the cooperative prep deals that have been conducted, I was contacted first by those with an interest in things and I, then, contacted a dealer who could offer such goods at a good price. In many cases, the prices of goods were significantly less than retail prices.

I have never insisted on this forum that the goods offered through the cooperative preps were absolutely essential for Y2K preparations.

I would like to thank all the dealers that I have worked with for their compassion and willingness to sacrifice profits on the cooperative preps orders that they have received. With their permission, I can name two of them: James Keyser of Keyser International and Mark Miclette of www.watertanks.com. Thank you Mssrs. Keyser and Miclette for being apart of the cooperative preps; thank you for helping people on the TB2000 discussion forum get the preps that they wanted to get.

Sincerely,
Stan Faryna

Cooperative Preps: One time deal on Corona Grain Mills
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=001rV0

Cooperative Preps: Gas Masks, KI,  Solar Ovens, etc.
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=001rWU

Cooperative Preps: Water Filters at less than Retail Price
http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=001rWM

Got 14 days of preps? If not, get started now. Click here.

Click here and check out the TB2000 preparation forum.

-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 27, 1999.

Thanks Stan,

Keep on "truckin'!"

A shorter very specific revision, would probably be helpful now, to newcomers, too.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 27, 1999.