well here goes... if you people want to make a difference about the state of the world do something... go to http://www.libertystudy.org or just sit here and complain. Time is getting short do something besides gripe and complain! and yeah I can mud wrestle King of spain

-- sandy (rstyree@overland.net), November 23, 1999

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Sandy -- It could be a good site -- first page is fine.

However -- it requires JAVA to be enabled. What for? Bull puckey graphics? or what? They don't tell you. Tell them that if they want a wider viewership, then get rid of the "cool" JAVA crapola.

-- A (A@AisA.com), November 23, 1999.

A,

What is your problem with Java? Hoping it'll go away so you don't have to learn it? Ain't gonna happen. Stop being paranoid. Cookies can't 'read' your hard-drive (the browser does that) and if you stick with Netscape and leave the Java security on it can't touch your hard drive either. If you haven't been paying attention all of the recent 'virus' attacks have been Microsoft product based (ie. they attack users of MS apps through scripting and external calls from IE/Outlook). I haven't heard of ANY Java based destructive viruses in close to two years.

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), November 23, 1999.

If you're concerned about people getting stuff from your computer, go to: www.spinrite.com

Steve Gibson's been writing GOOD software for some time, and he has a test program that will tell if your computer is open for access when you're on the 'net (doesn't matter if you have Java or Javascript).

-- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moyn (dtmiller@midiowa.net), November 23, 1999.

I think I've seen everything now.

A bunch of crooked redneck politicians are collecting donations from the American public to go to Congress and do the job that we are already paying them to do. And what happens if we don't donate more than their favorite special interest groups are already paying them? ... they still won't do what we ask them to do! Dirty Rotten Scoundrels!

I think it's time for the people to face up to the reality that nothing short of a revolution is truly going to change our out of control political system.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 23, 1999.

Tech32 -- Paranoia is a heightened sense of awareness. :-) Yes I use Netscape instead of Microsucks IE/Outlook. If nothing has gotten by Java security in a couple of years, then maybe we're about due for a penetration? :-) Granted, a lot of the stuff is "cool" but is most of it really necessary, especially since risk exposure increases -- is that risk exposure increase for the sake of "cool" necessary?

Dean -- Yes -- Gibson's Spinrite has been around some time, DOS days. Good product. Interesting new security stuff on his site. His "test drive" revealed access to my user name, etc, and access to Port 139. Probably since I am using as little Microsucks Windows network crap as possible, I'm somewhat better off than most. I think the Spinrite site you mentioned above, which I just visited, is well worth bookmarking and perusing in detail.

-- A (A@AisA.com), November 23, 1999.

Hey...I use ALL microsoft and I just took "the test" and "passed". Said my stealth shields prevented entry and the ports could not be accessed by anyone. Said this was very unusual quality protection. Taz

-- Taz (Tassie123@aol.com), November 23, 1999.

---they couldn't get squat. I'm on a borrowed mac now, no special nuthin, straight outta the box. Now my personal, customized mac, anyone tries, they get melted almost instantly in most cases. had an interesting encounter with a .mil IP late one night. "They"-this was middle of last year-all of a sudden took an interest in me when i was looking for chemtrail info. an illegal interest. i don't like that. That turned out to be a "draw". probably some bored screen watcher, it was about 3am. I checked again the following day, and the site had been heavily modified. I don't do unauthorized "hack", but I do get creative on url's sometime, to get to "the rest of the story". for what it's worth, the UN has some very interesting stuff, they just make it a nightmare finding it, altho it's all public domain, free to look.

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 23, 1999.