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Just so you know Diane, Chuck, Stealth, etc.You are NOT the head honchos.
Expect to get some interesting responses fromthe hands that feed this place.
I suggest everyone follow suit:
Hearst New Media Center
959 Eighth Avenue
New York, NY 10019
USA
Phone: 212.649.2683
Fax: 212.957.8524
2 E-Mails:
CorporateCommunications@hearst.com (general)
Contact: Eric Swenson
eswenson@hearstnewmedia.com (specific)
Website: http://www.hearstnewmedia.com
-- (you@know.who), November 22, 1999
DELETE!!
-- (delete@delete.delete), November 22, 1999.
Really, "you@know.who"? Perhaps you don't understand the "RULES" behind this particular board. If you don't like them, you can leave. Yelling about censorship and then asking that a whole forum be shut down seems a bit hypocritcal to me.
Please see the following guildelines if you missed them and don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out.
Founded by computer expert and noted author, Ed Yourdon:
This forum is intended for people who are concerned about the impact of the Y2000 problem on their personal lives, and who want to discuss various fallback contingency plans with other like-minded people. It's not intended to provide advice/guidance for solving Y2000 problems within an IT organization.
Ed Yourdons web-site:
SUGGESTIONS FOR NEWCOMERS:
NEW!!!
TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) Preparation Forum (Y2K Prep Only Discussions)
Or:
Visit the Preparation Archives--a collection of great Y2K prep links contributed by forum participants and reorganized by a dedicated forum volunteer:
Year 2000 Preparation Archive
Choose the category you are interested in and press Enter. The link will appear in a new page. Close window to return.
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Ed Yourdons New HumptyDumptyY2K Forum:
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Rick Cowles Electric Utilities and Y2K Forum:
http://greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a.tcl?topic=Electric %20Utilities%20and%20Y2K
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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), November 22, 1999.
youknowwhocares?Just leave.
-- nothere nothere (notherethere@hotmail.com), November 22, 1999.
Get a life, grow a brain, take a long walk off a short pier...You know the drill.
-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), November 22, 1999.
And your point is?Cleaning up dirty diapers is not censorship.....it's required when the dirty-diaper-leavers leave garbage on the floor.....
-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), November 22, 1999.
Post a New MessageThis forum has become exceedingly busy in the past couple of months, and there is a great deal of duplication of questions and answers. This makes it difficult for visitors to sort through the blizzard of postings to find something useful.
PLEASE check recent questions and postings before you decide to post a new question of your own.
TimeBomb 2000 Forum Posting Guidelines:
Y2K--preparation and related issues--are recommended discussion topics
We ask that vendors refrain from posting direct information about their products and services
Challenge posts with facts or reasoned arguments--try to avoid flames
If you have nothing of Y2K value to say--lurk dont post
Post using your own name or handle--stealing may result in deletion
Once 3-5 regular posters request DELETE--pointless threads may be removed
Refrain from using profane/obscene language--or post will be deleted
Dont feed the trolls--please
Delete assessment of TBY2K SYSOP(s)--is final
This is NOT a forum for continued religious rantings (occasional on- topic discussions are permitted). Posters abusing this guideline will be asked to cease and desist, and/or their ISP provider will be contacted with a complaint notice.
Problems? Help? Notify Moderators or Sysops at: y2ktimebomb2000@yahoo.com
And, please categorize your new posts
NEW TBY2K POLICY: Trolls Will Be Trashed. Keep That In Mind Before Posting. Thanks -- Sysops
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 22, 1999.
Would like to recommend for lurkers and newbies that when threads like this start, that they are countered with informations:Letter to Congress June9,1999 From the IEEE (institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) the oldest and largest intl. non-profit assc. of engineers and computer scientists in the world. (credibility)
1. Prevention of all Y2K failures was never Possible: read on 1.1."Y2K COMPLIANT" DOES NOT EQUAL "NO Y2k FAILURES". If an organization makes all of its systems y2k compliant it does not mean that that same organization will not experience y2k failures causing harm to itself and other organizations. In fact, efforts to become y2k compliant in one place could be the direct cause of such failures in others. If interconnected systems are made compliant in different ways, they will be incompatible with each other. Many systems in goverment and industry are mistakenly being treated as if they were independent and fixed in the most expedient way for each of them. When this Humpty Dumpty is put back together again it will not work as expected, without complete testing, which is unlikely.
1.4 COMPLEXETY KILLS. The internal complexity of large systems, the further complexity due to the rich interconnections between systems, the diversity of the technical environments in type and vingtage of most large organizations and the need to make even small changes in most systems WILL overwhelm the testing infrastructure that was never designed to test everything at once. Hence much software will have to be put back into use without complete testing, a recipe, almost a commandment, for WIDESPREAD FAILURES."" END QUOTES
Fellow citizens-- who do you give more credibility to? The idiot (youknowwho) and his obfuscations or the IEEE?
Its up to you!! Personally I dont know what this guy/gal is up to. Entertainment at your expense I suspect!
-- db (dciinc@aol.com), November 22, 1999.
You've got to understand that the common cockroach has a different perspective on "genocide" than the homeowner does.
-- Ron Schwarz (rs@clubvb.com.delete.this), November 22, 1999.
I hope all the lovely little things youknowwho and his ilk had to say are nicely archived!
-- preparing (preparing@home.com), November 22, 1999.
"I suggest everyone follow suit" .... what, all 5 TB trolls?
-- good god what an idiot (lisa@what?.he_said), November 22, 1999.
preparing,An abuse complaint, with documentation, has been filed with his ISP... Mindspring.
His choice.
Diane
-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 22, 1999.
Personally, I'd find it ENORMOUSLY funny if Hearst told Polly-boy to "F" off and DIE. (Or, in polite corp-speak, "We regret your dissatisfaction with the board. Please address your concerns to the sysops there, as we have no day-to-day dealings with them. We also assume that you are posting within the guidelines of the board in question. Thank you again for your letter. Sincerely, ......")Hey there, Polly-boy! Why not go whine to CPR, so he can take our ISP info and TURN US IN TO "FEDERAL AUTHORITIES"? You polly-troll creeps. I vote DELETE ALL POSTS FROM HIM/THEM ON SIGHT. No mercy, no chance to post. Just nuke 'em.
You pollidiots make me SICK. Go spew you trollish cr*p on DeBunkies... (Oh that's right; there's only about TEN of you over there....)
-- Dennis (djolson@pressenter.com), November 22, 1999.
W2G Diane!
-- yes (Yes@YES.NET), November 22, 1999.
I suspended my posting here many months ago and have been in lurk mode when time permitted. This new atitude of the moderators is somewhat puzzling. I was not here this past weekend and, if there was a deluge of meaningless posts, then I would agree that they should have been deleted. I don't see any justification, however, to editting or changing a post or even the title of the post. If it does not meet the guidelines for acceptable posts, just delete it, period.Even though I disagree with 95% of what is posted here, I still lurk when I can because I like to see what the opposite side of the coin looks like. If the sysops intend to continue in this manner, I think it is their duty to be more specific in the forum guidelines about what constitutes trolling and what 'trashing' the trolls really means. If people such as Flint and Hoff are being painted with the same broad brushstrokes as those that apparently tried to flood the board this past weekend, then I obviously don't understand what a troll is. And, if trashing means trashing them personally by editting their posts rather than plain deletion, how are those actions any less disruptive, abusive, insulting, etc. than the ones you purport to prevent?
-- RMS (RMS_200@hotmail.com), November 22, 1999.
I suggest that we form a committee to pound out new censorship guidelines of acceptability. I am willing to host the first committee meeting, but will be busy for a few days. How about Feb 1-5, 2000?
-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), November 22, 1999.
Hey you@know.who.Why don't you take your you@know.what and shove it You@know.where
-- People like you (are@ruining this.forum), November 22, 1999.
you@know.who must have a death wish. What do you think "the hands that feed this place" will have to say about posting the same crap 75 times, then posting more crap 75 times, followed by more crap... ???What an idiot.
Tick... Tock... <:00=
-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), November 23, 1999.
Founded by computer expert and noted author, Ed Yourdon:This forum is intended for people who are concerned about the impact of the Y2000 problem on their personal lives, and who want to discuss various fallback contingency plans with other like-minded people. It's not intended to provide advice/guidance for solving Y2000 problems within an IT organization.
About: http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/policy.tcl?topic=TimeBomb% 202000%20%28Y2000%29
-- (about@TB.2000), November 23, 1999.