What is the truth?

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Just exactly what is the truth? Is it the mainstream media, the politicians or big business? When professional people try to get inside thinking as to the level of gov't inactivity and lack of straight leadership on Y2K, they cannot. STRANGE. Very few people ask hard questions or think very deeply anymore. Did they ever? Seems not.

Walter Bagehot (founder fo Economist Magazine) warned in 1850 of the failure of "Literary men" to accurately report economic data. John L. King in 1988 warned us to ignore all mass media reports about the state of the world economy. Sound familiar?

It looks like we again have come full circle. I tip my hat to Ed Yourdon & many many others who have written recently to expose Y2K truth (what is significant).

Without these types we may have nothing left to rebuild upon when the cement of public confidence is utterly destroyed. Will we have faith in any of the wizards that have gotten us into this debacle? For that is where we are, on the cutting edge of the greatest catastrophe the world has ever known. So much for the lessons of history. We are doomed to repeat past errors. Looks like we indeed are fatally flawed.

-- Earl (ejrobill@pcpostal.com), November 21, 1999

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The truth is we're in for it, and that was well published, along with the Fed desire to put forth a spin to control the people. It's never been a secret and has always been openly published.

The truth as I see it is to let the Feds operate their spin at this time. i.e. Stay off Usenet and pull down all the goofy individual Y2K sites.

I have faith in the "Wizards." Think I'm giving up my iMac, think again. Nor am I giving up my scanner, my QuickCam, zip, my HP printer, USB Serial Adapter, my AppleWorks, my Netscape, my RedShift, Planetary Missions, Titanic Explorer, WarCraft, Casino, PhotoDelux, and on and on.

Remember dear we're facing this catastrophy with items like "space blankets" all brought to us by those "wizards." Do you know what our ancestors would have given for a little bottle of tablets that clean up the water like we have? How about sitting around and ordering ThyroBlock off the net? A number of those unprepared will have vitamins in their cupboards with 47 days left in the bottles. They'll have things like a half empty bottle of aspirin, some cold tablets bouncing in drawers, water in water heaters and apartment complex swimming pools. Our ancestors sure didn't have that bit of luck to face a crises with. Do you realize how many lives could have been saved with just one bottle of aspirin?

Onward and forward is my vote.

-- Paula (chowbabe@pacbell.net), November 21, 1999.


The Marching Morons.

-- Ocotillo (peeling@out.===), November 21, 1999.

True- we are fundamentally and inherently flawed. That is why we can't derive truth by our reasoning and empirical analysis alone. Our best efforts end up in the madhouse arguing about what the definition of is 'is'.

Truth it seems, is above man (kind) although we do (miraculously) have the ability to recognize truth when exposed to it. I guess that why the word "truth" has any meaning at all for us.

For me it takes on a personal meaning, far and above all arm chair discussions about y2k or religion. Jesus, said "I am the truth, the way, and the life." It is only because of this greater truth that I have hope for the future.

-- jamie (jdavis@recruitmax.com), November 21, 1999.


Jean Gimpel wrote "The Medieval Machine". He studied the history of technology and determined that the depression we are about to enter will have no end, akin to the 100 year depression that terminated the industrial revolution in the 13th century.

I found it interesting that Capers Jones, a technical author, wrote as recent as 1998 that the ability to remedy future problems with the euro currency, date field changes, telephone digit fields, social security fields, etc. was cost prohibitive.

I'm out of time.

-- Earl (ejrobill@pcpostal.com), November 21, 1999.


Truth - All correct facts perfectly combined together in harmony. Ultimately, there is only one truth.

We are not fundamentally flawed. Can't be. Too late for that. We have already had an impact on the universe.

We learn from our mistakes. It's how a species such as ours managed to attain our level of intelligence. If we had begun with all the answers, we wouldn't ever make mistakes. We would know we know everything, but we don't.

Which brings me to The Meaning of Life.

"Complete knowledge, ability and understanding of all universal possibilities."

Until we know every possibile outcome to every action then we will never know the Truth. We have many mistakes to simulate yet. Yes, I said simulate. Soon, we'll be able to know the outcome before we act, all through simulation on a super computer. Yes, we'll be able to in- put all the variables and see the result right before our very eyes.

Soon, we'll have achieved the ability to act in truth, and know it as well. Two things we currently lack.

-- GoldReal (GoldReal@aol.com), November 21, 1999.



EARL: Thanks for the book reference. I'll look into it.

BTW, just as a comparison, that massive depression scenario sounds suspiciously like a Millennium Wave in Elliott theory. First, let me say that that name does NOT have anything to do with the upcoming Millennium.

A Millennium Wave is one degree LARGER or HIGHER than a Grand Supercycle Wave, which supposedly we are in, according to Bob Prechter, who wrote "At The Crest Of The Tidal Wave" in 1995.

He speculates that if his count of economic cycles and market data is correct, then we are about to (or could be JUST entering now) Grand Supercycle Wave FOUR, which would take the DJIA down to the level of the 4th wave of one LESSER degree. That level is 41-380, and is the Supercycle Wave four that occurred from 1929-1932.

Lord help us all if he is WRONG, because he directly states that it would have been the last down-wave of Millennium-degree that ushered in the DARK AGES after the fall of Rome. Mass barbarism, extraordinary retrograde human "progress", mass starvations due to wars, famine, pestilence, religious wars and persecutions, feuding tribal warlords, etc., etc.Look at how LONG it took to emerge from that one!

He says that we should not worry about these thing, including nuclear war, as there will be none in this cycle. We had better hope he is correct, and that we are at "only" Grand Supercycle degree!

Nevertheless, you can imagine what horrors are implied in "just" a Grand Supercycle decline, as we are lookin at a commensurate decline in civilization(retracement) proportional to what a DJIA dropping by 95-99% would mean.

Also, since this wave is one degree larger than the Supercycle degree one that ushered in the (previous but not last) Great Depression, it also has a longer TIME span, so we are looking at a depression-recovery that covers many DECADES to come.

Having posted all this bad news, I think I'll relax and watch some light TV--maybe that hyped Y2K movie if it's not banned here!

-- profit of doom (doom@helltopay.ca), November 21, 1999.


The Marching Morons, by C.M. Kornbluth, was a great SciFi short story!

Often think about it in the Y2K context.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), November 21, 1999.


A rational explanation for making Y2K preparations

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-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), November 21, 1999.

According to the teacher G. I. Gurdjieff, knowledge is material and is, therefore, as all materials, limited. The reason most people show such lack of understanding is that they have not gathered knowledge.

We can never simulate or know all outcomes of any action. It simply impossible and expalins why surrender to God is the only intelligent path.

I do not think we are entering a Dark Ages although everything is falling apart. That leads to a new arising. The structure being broken allows room for growth outside the structure, which was fundamentally faulty, but maybe a means of gestation for what is now needed.

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), November 22, 1999.


According to the teacher G. I. Gurdjieff, knowledge is material and is, therefore, as all materials, limited. The reason most people show such lack of understanding is that they have not gathered knowledge.

We can never simulate or know all outcomes of any action. It simply impossible and explains why surrender to God is the only intelligent path.

I do not think we are entering a Dark Ages although everything is falling apart. That leads to a new arising. The structure being broken allows room for growth outside the structure, which was fundamentally faulty, but maybe a means of gestation for what is now needed.

-- Mara (MaraWayne@aol.com), November 22, 1999.



Truth is a soldier's boot heel crushing your baby's skull.

-- apokoliptik (appokoliptik@yahoo.com), November 22, 1999.

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