Forum "Old-Timers" Raise Your Hand! (Especially programmer types) : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

How many of you are TB2000 forum regulars (close to a year or more)?

Anybody out there?

Missing some friends.

-- hanging (with@the.oldtimers), November 21, 1999


I posted the first message to this forum on Dec 22, 1997 -- the beginning of a quiet Christmas week, when interest in Y2K was just beginning. Some 255,381 messages later (according to the statistics page a moment ago), I'm still here. The forum is a different place than it was back then, but I still think it is serving an important purpose for those who need information about Y2K.


-- Ed Yourdon (, November 21, 1999.

Yeah, where is Dieter? Now that things are starting to get a little crazy, he would seem almost normal!

-- Ed Yourdon (, November 21, 1999.

Regulars, over a year now. Still amazed. Have already said everything that can be said, a few times :-)

Aahhhhh, the archives ...

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (, November 21, 1999.

Hey hanging. I've been visiting here for about a year and a half. Never a dull moment and lots of wonderful people.

Speaking of wonderful people...Hi A&L : )



-- Michael Taylor (, November 21, 1999.

Hi Hanging,

I have been here mostly lurking since Dec. 2, the day I became a GI which was an all at once realization beginning this year of researching y2k nearly every day and nearly full time. It has been a process only those who have been through could understand. I am nearly as tired of being alone with it as I am in dealing with it.

Just hoping for it to be over now so the tension can break. This is a lull which I expect will only be broken by real news. Events will bring back the regulars which are taking a break, prepping, or waiting for the end to post again. At this point the lines are mostly drawn and I am cutting back on research myself. Welcome to the forum, and I hope you are able to use the archives and other sites in time to make the best decisions you can at this point.

-- Lora (, November 21, 1999.

Been here since June of 1998. Disappeared for a while this past summer due to major Y2K fatigue.

It can be quite addictive, can't it?

But this forum has been wonderful...

-- preparing (, November 21, 1999.

Still here myself. Not certain, but April of '98 rings a bell for lurking here, and my first post (under another name and address) was in June of '98. Time flies.

Despite all the disruptions, this is still the best forum on the net IMHO. The brightest posters, the most articulate presentations and the widest spectrum of news ever found in one spot.

It indeed has been an education to say the least.

-- INVAR (, November 21, 1999.

Been lurking since the light bulb went off 12/98. I absolutely could not emotionally deal with it all and doing it pretty much alone, without you fine people. I feel like you have literally given me what I don't seem to be able to give myself, HOPE, and I then continue.

I have tried to contribute when I feel it is helpful. Will be staying around here as long as there is electricity to fire up the 'puter with.

-- Sammie (, November 21, 1999.

Hooked up here in May or June 1998 -- soon realized this was the only game in town. I may not be the oldest one here but I'm probably in the running. (Born 2 yrs. before Lindbergh landed at Le Bourget.)

-- Tom Carey (, November 21, 1999.

I've been here since Ed posted that first message. I even exchanged email with him while he was writing "Fallback" (Timebomb 2000). Only posted very little and recently under an alias.

Shure has been a long 800 some odd days since participating on the original Gary North forum.

If you ain't ready by now -- You ain't gonna be ready

-- Joe Stout (, November 21, 1999.

For better or worse, we were better than the Associated Press (sometimes) in posting the latest "Guv-mit" news, and we had some real laughs along the way. I miss Dieter.

-- FM (, November 21, 1999.

May, 1998. Ah, memories.

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), November 21, 1999.

Well, Ed,

I will have you know, that I have a DIRECT line to dieter.

Email me and you shall understand.

-- Marianne Michaels (, November 21, 1999.

Been lurking since 8/98, but had heard of the Y2K problem in '92' while attending a COBOL course. Currently work under Gubmint contracts and can see the real disparity between trench-level reality vs. what comes out the 'other end', what the media spouts and what the govt. reports say.

-- Porky (Porky@in.cellblockD), November 21, 1999.

1.5 years... and counting.

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 21, 1999.

Lol !!!... you'all sound like a funeral!! I can't remember when I ran into the North forum, or Zog's forum, then finally here, and the prep forum....Thanx Ed, MIT, Greenspun...... and all of you...... May it Not be an interesting year....... :-)

-- CT (ct@no.yr), November 21, 1999.

I've been around over a year (how time flies when you're having to run). I usually lurk until someone riles me or entices me to a comment.

-- Lois Knorr (, November 21, 1999.


Been around this board since August 98 and counting. Some days this place is an asylum but I still find it the most informative place to be. Off-topic or not, one can find more information here than anywhere else. Not to mention the personalities...I consider many of you friends even though we have never and may never meet. Hang in there folks.

-- Sharon (, November 21, 1999.

I've been checking in daily for a long time (well over a year) and the information and sharing has been a real blessing in my life..I have learned so much. My favorite files are filled with helpful ideas and many of them have already been tried..and worked! Admit I tire of the trolls but just ignore them when I can...I scroll fast! Thanks to all those wise ones who share and thanks to all those who keep me up to date on latest news. There are some real good people out there and we know who they are...thanks to you this old gramma is prepared for any emergency.

-- old gramma (, November 21, 1999.

You go, Granny!

This is the part of this forum that many folks don't understand.

This thread--so far--doesn't have a negative bone in its body.

Happens now and then.


-- hanging (with@the.oldtimers), November 21, 1999.

Been here since early '98 - mostly lurking, posting occasionally. Been a GI since my original assessment of y2k back in late '97/early '98 for work - found this forum while doing y2k research at that time. Finished prepping early '99...

I try to check the forum everyday when possible...

-- Forum Regular (Here@y2k.comx), November 21, 1999.

Since mid 98.

-- FLAME AWAY (, November 21, 1999.

For they are jolly good fellows - (ladies and gentlemen) - and so say all of us. (I pay a visit most days).

Thank you all Pam.

-- (, November 21, 1999.

Been here since the summer of '97. Downloaded and read Fallback before the publisher required Ed to take it off.

This group has meant a great deal to me. The place we could all go to enjoy the company of others that felt as we did.

Good Luck and Godspeed to you all.

Thank you, Ed.


-- Will Huett (, November 21, 1999.

Lurker since late '98. I have gotten some of the most valuable information and links from this board. Thanks for being there.

-- Tee (, November 21, 1999.

Have been here since Feb 98, mostly lurking. Post once in a while but read almost everything. There are some very intelligent and informed people here, it's just sometimes you have to sift through alot of dirt to find the gold nuggets. Left the forum this summer for 5 weeks, during which time my husband succumbed to the BITR mentality. So I returned to the forum and printed out some of the articles for him. We were back at BJ's in a NY minute. That's one of the reasons I stay. Without this forum it's too easy to fall victim to the herd mentality, besides it keeps me sane.

I want to thank Mr. Yourdon for his efforts. Reading TB2000 didn't just get me started, it blew me head first into prepping. Thanks to all who take the time to keep us informed and especially to Diane whose role here has been difficult to say the least; you've done a great job!!!


-- Morrighan (, November 21, 1999.

I guess I have been reading this group since the summer of 97. It was a much different group then but I so enjoy most of your views and opinions. To tell the truth, I think most of us could be friends in a different venue. I have come to check this page before I go on the news pages because usually someone here has already discovered those news items that I find interesting. I suppose the glue that cements us now will gone after the roll over either way that it turns out. Good luck to you all and as we used to say in law enforcement back in the good/bad old days in Los Angeles, "Keep a low profile"

Bill in South Carolina

-- Bill Solorzano (, November 21, 1999.


-- art welling (, November 21, 1999.

I've been visiting the forum since July 98 - located this place after I read the July 98 Wired article(was the title "Run for your life?")Thanks Ed, Diane, Chuck for all your heroic efforts to keep this place going. It has been of great benefit to me, and I'm sure to thousands of others. Does anyone actually know how many people really do frequent this forum? I also PARTICULARLY appreciate the prep forum - it has saved my family much time and money ---great ideas over there and most helpful people, who can give tips/help without sarcasm, condescention, or snotty remarks/bad manners. Hugs to all SYOPS!!!

-- jeanne (, November 21, 1999.

Lurking since Feb., 98; posting since Nov., 98, now mostly lurking again. A friend urged me to get involved full-time in Y2K remediation in 1995 (!), but I brushed it off as something that would be unspeakably boring. Well, that was true, of course and explains more than a little about the phenomenon we still face. Never did get involved in remediation, but may get involved in Y2K recovery ....

The irony of the troll blackmail is that I have never seen a venue as respectful of free speech, including politically "incorrect" speech on BOTH (all) sides of Y2K as TB2K has been. There have been dozens of posters here whom I wish I could know as real-world next-door neighbors, DOZENS.

While the life-cycle of TB2K may be coming to an end, reports of its death could prove to be greatly exaggerated if the sysops can regain control.

Old-timers are always welcome on the prep forum, where we get down- and-dirty about simple things but sometimes wander still into great discussions about community, helping people and the deeper issues that Y2K has revealed about all of us.

-- BigDog (, November 21, 1999.

Taz here since mid 1998. I think we can all be proud that we have carried on with this thing and will come out on the otherside and will drag lots of others along with us. We will never know how many lives this forum may have saved. If the net is up and the PCs haven't all bit the dust, then I think our job is just starting. I think there are some of us that can be of great help during the recovery period. Many of you will be fixing computers or whatever your thing is. Many, like me, who has experience of living off the grid and "beyond the sidewalks" will be able to talk others through problems, that without any experience to draw upon, could be very serious. Or at least very frustrating. We all need to take the attitude now, that this is NOT THE END, but it IS THE BEGINNING. Its our chance to shine and make a contribution.


-- Taz (, November 21, 1999.

Been here since Jan. 99. This is my place! Nothing will run me away. Beening new to the internet, I didn't post any thoughts untill maybe July. I'm still here for current events. I read everything posted by Homer, who without comment, just give us current events.

Thanks Diane, Chuck, Ed, and too many others to list. Also Ken, Flint, whose views have often been critized, for giving me balance.

I'm not wishing my life away, but come on New Year's. We should know the truth by March. It will be a long winter. Will you be here to help me though?

-- Tommy Rogers (Been there@Just a, November 21, 1999.

Good Morning, Ed!

You are up early this fine Sunday morning. If you still have the coffee going, I'll be over. (Long way from Iowa.)

Yes, it seems like yesterday in some ways. Can you believe we're almost there? All our prognostications, good and bad, will come to the test.

This has been a wonderful forum in all ways, both philosophy and preps. Thanks!

Keep the faith!

-- Bob Walton (, November 21, 1999.

Is it time now to start saving the bacon grease? Been here almost a year >"<.

-- && (&&@&&.&), November 21, 1999.

Ummmm, May, April, March (?) of 1998 or thereabouts. Defintely before racing season that year as a light to medium duty lurker after being kind-a led here from Art's site and after looking at deJager's early work and Westergaards work. Got much more heavily involved until well, y'all know the rest of the story. Really miss the community we had but that IS life.


-- Chuck, a night driver (, November 21, 1999.

Gosh time flies when your having fun.

Has it really been 2 years?

Here's a toast, with fresh roasted and brewed Costa Rican, to a BITR.

-- LM (, November 21, 1999.

the above just goes to show that time flies whether you are having fun or not.


-- Chuck, a night driver (, November 21, 1999.

Began lurking during the Summer of 1998. Post every once in a great while.

Watched this place draw to it all kinds - intelligent, compassionate, mind-numbingly obtuse, ignorant, vain, cold, playful, loving, intuitive, manipulative, powerbrokers, selfless, cruel, dogmatic - the best & the worst humanity has to offer.

TB2000 is the only community - cyber or otherwise - this hermit has ever felt a tie to, has ever opened up to.

So many folks I would truly love to meet.

Why? I dig passionate people. So many here are so alive!

Thank you for the many positive vibrations.

May all find that which makes their hearts sing! JG

Best Wishes,

-- Bingo1 (, November 21, 1999.

Been here for over a year and a half. I've met many nice people... in fact, some that I've grown very close to. :-) Thanks, Ed!

-- Gayla (, November 21, 1999.

Been here a year or so. This forum is the best I've found for gathering news and I don't have to buy the goofy papers at the grocery store checkout stands for a good laugh at the unbelievable, and the computer guys are great for technical info re: Y2K since they're the ones who created the mechanics of "The System".

-- Mark Hillyard (, November 21, 1999.


Right on target with your comments!

Keep the faith!

-- Bob Walton (, November 21, 1999.

Oh golly! So many old timers still lurk here, nice to see it. I began lurking here in April 98, and first tormented the board with my views in the summer of 98. This place has grown too large for me to keep track of anymore, and besides, most of our minds have been made up by now. Not much new to say on the subject for most of us old threaders, so we lurk and wait.

BTW, do you people realise that you are suffering from a dangerous meme?

-- Uncle Deedah (, November 21, 1999.

Good to see your post Joe.

Like Joe Stout I started on the North forum in Sept of '97 and turned to Ed's book and site in Dec of same. I really didn't join the forum although I lurked from time to time until North took down his forum in the Spring of '98?

Anyway, Ed's credibility has always given y2k disruptions credibility to me. Met Ed at Widener. He did a fantastic presentation that no polly could gainsay.

Remain here because of the information that goes through here, the high intelligence level, and some of the people here that makes this place personal. I've become close to a couple of them. :-) Thanks Ed.

It won't be long now.

"It's not paranoia when your fears are based on facts."

"The Lord is good, a stronghold in the day of trouble; He knows those who take refuge in Him." -Nahum 1:7

-- BB (, November 21, 1999.

I've been lurking and posting since the summer of '98. It's been great!

Is Dieter OK? Texas

-- quielty (, November 21, 1999.

Man am I glad you asked! Been here approx. 1.5 years, but yesterday I was ready to start skipping out & make the prep forum my new daily hangout. Seein' a lot of the regulars still here just made me have a change o' heart. I have almost no computer skills, just an old boy scout. "Be Prepared". (living in Bermuda makes it mandatory)

Walter- on de rock

-- Walter (on de, November 21, 1999.

I found TB2000 in May of 1998. Surely it is changed since then, but as Chuck said recently in some other thread, this place has become a community for me with importance far beyond Y2K.

Hey, Uncle, I hear daily doses of 1000mg vitamin C is proven effective against the dangerous meme. :-)

Be well.

--She in the sheet, upon the hilltop,...

-- Donna (, November 21, 1999.

Been here since March, '98.

Will Huett, how the heck are ya? Long time no see, guy.

-- Paul Neuhardt (, November 21, 1999.

about a year and a half

Thanks to all -- especially to Stan. I really enjoyed the picnic we had. Was it in June? We should have another. It's a beautiful day today.

We were able to get our hand pump for the well thanks to one of the forum guys we met at the picnic.

-- Sally Strackbein (, November 21, 1999.

Back somewhere in the mid '70s (I think it was at a week-long FORTH programming seminar, at Humboldt State.) I got a brief glimpse of the y2k issue. It was brief because everyone in the room (including I of course) just sort of looked up at the ceiling and rolled our eyes, thinking, "What an inane subject to bring up."

Blithely moving on, not until I read the 1st 2 paragraphs of Gary North's Jan. '97 issue of Remnant Review did I find it necessary to sit down in a chair quickly, take hold of myself, take in a few deep breaths, and in the succeeding few minutes necessary to finish reading that issue, make 'a minor compass correction,' namely: re-orient my entire life's raison d'etri and vision for the future of TWAWKI. (Aw shucks folks, it was nothing -- do it every day.)

However, bec my wife at the time refused to allow me to even mention the word "Y2K" without a major domestic explosion, I buried my concerns by doing a great Polly/Denialist number: I simple spent the next 8 months (while waiting for our house near Park City, UT, to sell so we could move up to a sparsely populated section of Wyoming -- me to surreptitiously prepare for Y2K, she to build her dream house, a ranch near Yellowstone Park) -- the next 8 months buying surplus ancient PC boxes for pennies and upgrading them re memory, hard drives, CRTs, soundcards, etc., to handle the Internet and email via Win 3.11. It sure was fun to get back to a real PC, running under DOS 6.22, where I could write macros and control what the box did, compared to Win95 on my Dell.

My strategy was a GREAT success!! --- I was able to completely blot out of my consciousness the coming high-odds juggernaut. I believe this adventure into Y2K denial has helped me immensely in understanding the Wall of Silence around all of us. It certainly helped me get over in a HURRY that futile effort trying to evangelize Pollies out of their firmly held belief in The World Continuing As A Linear Extrapolation Of The Straight Line Trailing Out Of Their Hindsides.

Finally the house sold, we relocated and started building the home on the Wyoming ranch. At that point I re-confronted Y2K, hooked up to Gary North's Y2K Website and moved into high gear posting articles on general issues, and prep issues. At that time GN's site was THE happening place re Y2K discussions, no question. But by the end of the year it had deteriorated so badly because of inter-religious flaming that Gary deserted it; a few of us picked up the ball, re-made it (and were somewhat successful in that effort -- but it was never the same.) Around then Joe Stout, a heavy contributor to the old GN forums, mentioned to me about Ed's forum just starting up. So I went there in Jan '98, looked around, made a couple posts, and quickly gave up: it appeared to me WAY TOO optimistic about what was down the road, besides using archaic forum software (compared to Gary's old site.)

Didn't go back to it until this Spring (after relocating to AL, with a new wife.) By then I realized it had a lot going for it, even with it's software failings, and had become easily the best forum and source for Y2K info, bar none. Of course, a lot of the prep stuff was 're-inventing the wheel' (and contained a distressing amount of WRONG INFORMATION being handed out to the newbies) for those of us who had posted heavily on the GN forums. (Fortunately, this was balanced by buckets of wonderful, accurate, new information.) But on general issues, it was refreshing to be able to daily read comments from in-the-trenches programmers, and their take on the various disputes. (Previously I used to check out the csy.2000 newsgroup stuff, but it was a crazy jungle of flotsam/jetsam interspersed with Cool Hamasaki's and a few others' posts.)

So the Main TB2K forum, with all its flaming (on BOTH sides of the aisle) is still worth checking out every couple days, in between heavy prepping. The Prep TB2K forum I find even more satisfying -- much less flaming and much more usable detailed info.

And yes, there are wonderful people here. I only hope I'll be able to talk to some of them post Y2K, if it's The Big Bad One -- on the ham radio frequencies.

God Bless us all,


-- William J. Schenker, MD (, November 21, 1999.

Lurking since January 1998... (has it been THAT long???) Posting since August 1998... been snoozin' and slobberin' ever since...

watchin' the boy eat...

The Dog

-- Dog (Desert, November 21, 1999.

late summer 98',I'm just a nutter who's good at maintaining a straight face.I look foward to the end of nervous expectation.It's been a very nervous,manic year.

-- zoobie (, November 21, 1999.

Still here.

Do we get a prize?

-- PNG (, November 21, 1999.

Taz... what a great phrase... living "beyond the sidewalks!!!"

Ive been posting since October of 1998, after reading the introduction to Eds TimeBomb 2000 that was sitting on a friends coffee table. Went online and practically didnt eat or sleep for two weeks... researching.

Needless to say, parked my cyber self at TBY2K and what... a long, strange trip its been since then.

Hopefully, the net will stay up in pieces, as it was designed to do, and well be focusing on Recovery issues next year.

As a global whole, I rather suspect, different parts of the planet will experience a range--from 1 to 10--even within ten miles of a local location. Simultaneous realities... all over the map.

Some areas will be fortunate because the local people were motivated enough to work on fixing the Y2K problems early enough. Others took care to involve and organize their communities and prepare with viable and inclusive contingency plans.

They may be the lucky ones... in the long run.

I really *hope* that this planet sails smoothly through this next six months. That said, preparation is just prudent... in the face of such overwhelming potential for disruptions and the worldwide Who Knows?

Blessings to all... and may you keep up a positive attitude even when faced with adversity! Or not.


And... THANK YOU Ed Yourdon, for being willing to stand up and be counted!!! You're a fine example of someone with The Right Stuff.

Much love,


(Hey! William J. Schenker... I was at Humboldt State about the same time. Small world.)

-- Diane J. Squire (, November 21, 1999.

Aaahh, the summer of ninety-eight...

Can't program {but CAN set the clock on the VCR}

-- flora (***@__._), November 21, 1999.

around for about 18 months. given everything, i'm slightly more pessimistic than when i started visiting. i am one of the authors of the big COBOL based legacy systems of the 70' and 80's. unless SAP or PeopleSoft or Oracle can pull an elephant out of a hat, we are in big trouble.......

-- RDH (, November 21, 1999.

I have been posting for a year or so, off and on, and was a lurker for about three months prior to that. This is a great forum and a great group of people, even the trolls.

-- Nikoli Krushev (, November 21, 1999.

PNG and Paul Neuhardt... Wow! You're still around. Nice to see you both! :-)

-- Gayla (, November 21, 1999.

I've been lurking here since November, '98.

My main concern is the embedded's........what a wildcard. I'm prepped for an 8.

Regarding this forum, I would have never believed that modern technology could have provided such a way for people to share ideas and be a community until I saw it with my own eyes. I'm in a much better position from having lurked here. Thanks to all you regulars. And, good luck.

-- David (, November 21, 1999.

I started reading the forum in early 1998. Few days have gone by when I did not come and read the posts. It is addictive but informative. As much s I enjoy coming here, I will be glad when Y2k is over (will it ever be) or something happens. The waiting has been wearing to the nerves.

I have learned a lot from the forum and have grown as an individual from this. I will never be the same person I was when I first started visiting the forum. There have been many thought provoking posts here that have caused me to analyze my life and how I live. I will never take assume or take anything for granted again. I will never trust this government again. I will always be prepared because I have realized, our lives hang by a bare thread that could break at any moment. There is no real security.

-- Linda Arnold (, November 21, 1999.

January 1998.....

-- bardou (, November 21, 1999.

Started posting last August. This forum made me a GI more than any other. Different web name now.

-- NotGoneYet (, November 21, 1999.

Been here just over a year and I *love* the debates (trolls make good eatin once you squeeze all the crap out of them). My take on how bad Y2K will be hasn't changed in all that time though. Still thinkin' it'll be a 4-6 with a possibility of an 8 if .gov handles it badly.

Been programming since the early 80's...


-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), November 21, 1999.

Started visiting this addictive forum almost daily in late summer/early fall of 1998. It has been helpful in many ways, including keeping me focused on preparing and helping me remember that I'm not alone in my fears. Thanks, Ed!

-- Pearlie Sweetcake (, November 21, 1999.

Alright, now that I have all of you in one place I want you to know that it is your fault most people think I am a brick short these days.:) Thanks.

Summer of 98. RDH..kind of hard to put a positive spin on your analysis. I am not a computer type so I value the posts of those who are and time has allowed me to sort the wheat from the chaff.

-- Mike Lang (, November 21, 1999.

Lurked ever since mid-98. Read Ed's book and then got the pants scared off of me by someone at work. GI ever since.

May God (or whatever you might believe in) watch over us all and transition us without much pain.

Blessings to all of you.

-- STFrancis (, November 21, 1999.

It's been a long time. The days, weeks and months seem to blend togther. I think I starting checking in around the time Ed posted his book, TIME BOMB, on the web for comments.

-- walt (, November 21, 1999.

Only been a regular since the start of this year.

Thanks to Ed, Diane, Chuck, BD, and the nameless sysops for selfless devotion to the cause.

Also to all the posters that have provided a great read, thanks and all the best for the year 2000.

-- Brian (, November 21, 1999.

I started checking out all the Y2K sites as soon as St.Gary listed them, but did not start putting anything on the boards until I got a home computer, Feb 99.

-- Mr. Mike (, November 21, 1999.

late - 97? [how time does fly!]

with Faith, Bardou, Gayla, Diane, Donna, Armand, Ed, and too many others to mention; some who've stayed, some who've gone...all who've provided something of interest

-- Perry Arnett (, November 21, 1999.

....since May 1998, and with all the sitting and reading I have gained survival information and also about 10 lbs of insulation around the behind, which will serve me well if food is in short supply. It's been a hoot reading you all! Greetings from Canada to you Americans on your Thanksgiving Day next week. Laurane

-- Laurane (, November 21, 1999.

Greeting to all from NZ, the America's Cup Venue.

Been around for a bit, be around for a bit more.

-- Bob Barbour (, November 21, 1999.

A daily addict since November, 1998. While fine-tuning my preparations, I've also learned more about government,current events, economics, manufacturing, technology, oil production/distribution, etc. than I could have imagined. This forum, thanks to the many intelligent contributions from such varied backgrounds, has truly broadened my horizons. The only downside I can see to a Y2K BITR would be for this forum to disappear. Not only would a wonderful repository of knowledge be lost, but there are a number of regulars whose thoughts and perspectives I would greatly miss. Many have caused me to think in new ways, and many have left me laughing out loud. What a potent combination!

-- (, November 21, 1999.


Found this place in Jan. and here I found many people who are brave enough to look at the future and face the issues that confront us. There are people here willing to make difficult decisions which require utter honesty about who they really are deep down inside. It is much easier to do nothing.

The following is a quote from a fictional novel, but it reminds me of y2k and the people in this forum & yes even myself.

"Adversity is like a strong wind. I don't mean just that it holds us back from places we might otherwise go. It also tears away from us all but the things which cannot be torn, so that afterward we see ouselves as we really are, and not merely as we would really like to be."

Taken from "Memoirs of a Geisha" by: Arthur Golden

One of my hopes for the people of this forum is that when we reach the other side we will like what we see.

Best wishes to all,

-- Deborah (, November 21, 1999.

Been lunking and occasionally posting since June 98. This forum has been a blessing in many ways. Thanks Ed!!!!

Someone just said that you can't count on anything. That's right, except Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever.

May God bless each of you as we face dark days ahead.......

-- Vernon Hale (, November 21, 1999.

Boarded the good ship in July 98. Have enjoyed every minute of it. And Im not addicted yet.

-- a (a@a.a), November 21, 1999.

Filled water barrels this weekend, and all weekend long kept thinking of al the regulars over the past 18 months. Wonderful people, great life saving information, and spirit. Thanks to Ed, Phil Grenspun and the sysops for this wonderful oportunity to learn, grow, and share. Charlie

-- Charlie (, November 21, 1999.

I have lurked here for a year now and what a help it has been to get me prepared for whatever the future may hold. As a technology teacher, I know how inter-connected things are and how when they fall apart or crash, it takes a lot of effort to put them back together again. I have often felt guilty about not contributing more in the form of posts, but the "regulars" have done a great job of keeping us informed. Good luck to all as the time draws short!

Bird Lover

-- (, November 21, 1999.

Joined the Circus about March '98. It's been a trip!

Thanks Ed, et al.

-- Lon Frank (, November 21, 1999.

Found my way here in June 98 and I wish I had a gallon of water for every time I've heard this... "Mom, PLEASE get off the computer! I need it for my homework!!"

-- Rosearbor (, November 21, 1999.

I proboably shouldn't even post on this thread, as I only discovered this place and the scope of the problem about Feb. of this year. Makes me sort of a newbie. But I owe you all, and Cory (the very first thing I read re y2k was Infomagic) and Gary a huge debt, just the same. The sense of comraderie alone has been a major form of sustenance to me. Thank You ALL from the bottom of my heart. I thank you, and my extended family will thank you, someday, the ones that make it. It's been a scramble, but now I have a fine diesel/solar powerstation, a well, a bunch of good GI neighbors, a semi-rural location, animals, gardens, seeds, food and a whole lotta other ancillary stuff that I hope I never need, but that gives me alot of comfort anyway. Oh, and the capacity to accomadate up to about 40 'outsiders' with useful knowledge and skillsets. Thanks to all again. Oh, and if you think this year's been strange, I'm bettin that we ain't seen nuthin yet.

Godspeed, you deserve it.

-- pinkrock (, November 21, 1999.

"The forum is a different place than it was back then, but I still think it is serving an important purpose for those who need information about Y2K. "

It does Ed, and another thanks for starting it and another for checking in regularly. It's comforting.

I don't know when I found this place. I'm one of those time- impaired/challenged people. I just remember the patience and help I received as a newbie. Some of you saved me time and money. Some of your advice may help save a life one day. Thanks one and all! God bless...

-- Mumsie (, November 21, 1999.

Regular since late Summer '98. Only more recently morphed into CV however...

-- Count Vronsky (vronsky@anna.lit), November 21, 1999.

Mostly lurking since Apr - May 98. More timely than AP Breaking News - and ever so much more fun.

-- DaveW (, November 21, 1999.

Bob Barbour, hello!!! How are you? This is SO cool! :-) Now, if only E. Coli and Hardliner would check in....

-- Gayla (, November 21, 1999.

April or May, 1998...seems like a long time ago. :^) Still prepping in MN.

-- Scarlett (, November 21, 1999.

Been here since March '98 and have enjoyed every minute. The best forum on the Internet with the most intelligent people. No question. Thanks to all...

-- PJC (, November 21, 1999.

Since the Fall of 1998. This forum has always been the best of the best for up to the second Y2K info, and my perception is it seems to have outlasted many other forums that had been set up similarly.

Regardless of the outcome of Y2K, I feel privileged to have found such a great place to ponder, share, and converse.

40 days.

-- Jack (jsprat@eld.~net), November 21, 1999.

Thought I'd already answered this. Those 2K must be catching up with me ;-)

Not a programmer, but been here since sometime mid 1998. Good advice, great friends. Time's too short!

-- T the C (, November 21, 1999.

Just checking to see what the old gang thought of the movie. Since this appears to be role call -- yo, present and accounted for since August 1998.

-- David (, November 21, 1999.

Been a regular on this forum since mid-1998. Great to see some familiar names appearing on this latest roll call. Remember Gayla's post over a year ago where we each wrote a little about ourselves?

Good to be back after a 2 month absence.

AZ Joe

-- AZ Joe (, November 22, 1999.

GI'd in '97. GI'd with a capital "G" in July of 98. Amazingly, I can't remember when I got here. Maybe a year ago or so.

Tried to go away. Did the usual farewell thingie. Funniest part of that was when "a" said, "What's your handle gonna be tomorrow?" Well, a week later I was back with the same handle.

Has been an experience to say the least.


-- Dave (, November 22, 1999.


Been here for 9 months. Been programming for 31+ years.

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (, November 22, 1999.

Response to Forum "Old-Timers" Raise Your Hand! (Especially programmer types)

Fall o' 98. A motley crew, indeed. Miss Blue Himalayan, wish Jor-el would post more. Less gawk, more tawk!

-- Spidey (in@jam.bashful), November 22, 1999.

Lurked here mostly right after Ed put up this forum. Posted off and on since then. Miss alot of the original group of posters, but it is good to have lots of new people to keep this forum and its message alive and working.

-- ExCop (, November 22, 1999.

Hi AZ Joe! I remember your post to that thread very well. It was really touching. Your wife had just given birth to a baby girl. Glad you're settled into your new place, and back here with us. It feels a little like a family sometimes, doesn't it?

-- Gayla (, November 22, 1999.

I think I got here in the summer of 98. I read a survey that 25 percent of Americans are preparing. That tells me that Ed (and Gary, and Karen, etc.) have succeeded, against incredible odds. I have learned the most amazing things here, too. I think the best thing I learned is that I can take actions now that will have an effect on the future.

-- Amy Leone (, November 22, 1999.

Still here, but not posting as much. Been lurking since summer 98, started posting in early fall 98. This board sure has evolved. It used to be that you could read a week's worth of posts in less than an hour. Now...miss a couple of days, and alot of threads get pushed off.

Image what it will be like a week before Jan 1 if things don't get out of hand.

Got Evelyn wood?

-- Tim (, November 22, 1999.

I'm still here laying in the weeds and watching.

Bet you thought that I was gone, and that you were safe to get back into the water again.

Hangeth in there folks. The busy times will begin very shortly.

Take care and watch your top knot.


-- sweetolebob (, November 22, 1999.

Been coding for 25+ years, been coding 4-digit years since 1983, been doing Y2k fixes since 1994, saw the lack of progress in 1997, been lurking here since early 1998, started posting probably in late 1998 or early 1999.

-- bw (home@puget.sound), November 22, 1999.

Hi Gayla,

I am well. The address is real.

-- Bob Barbour (, November 22, 1999.

Oh my gosh, Gayla, and uncle deedah, you are STILL here. I've been lurking for awhile, sometimes using alias's (gayla, you or donna always catch me) !!!! Robert, where r u? Chuck, good to see you. My son just started working for the city, they held a closed door y2k meet today, not real good here. I've been here since 1998. Thanks again Ed.

-- consumer (, November 22, 1999.

Libby here, since mid 1998. Clock is ticking fast now and so much to do. Forum has helped keep me motivated.... Thanks to all of you.

-- Libby Alexander (, November 22, 1999.

Since June, 1998.

I stopped contributing shortly after the prep forum was established. There is so much to read in the archives.

I don't agree with the idea that if you aren't prepared now you never will be. I expect to be much more prepared December 26.

I wasn't pleased when a thread I started was deleted. The discussion regarding the New Jersey government's requirement of the Boy Scouts to accept homosexual applicants to be Scoutmasters was deemed intolerable by one of the sysops. Apparently too many of the contributors for the sysop's taste were supporting the Boy Scouts.

-- GA Russell (, November 22, 1999.

Consumer!!! (((((Carrie))))) Good to hear from you! I won't snitch on you anymore... I promise! :-)

Elbow Grease? Hallyx?

-- Gayla (, November 23, 1999.

Yeah, where is Elbow Grease and why won't E. Coli check in???

-- lisa (, November 23, 1999.

Feel like a newbie in the midst these august and long-lived sages,(and September saquines, and February fraulines, and January juveniles, .....

Welcome back/front/and sideways to all, and my heart-felt (and equally often frequently misspelled) thank-you's for your effort in training, leading and teaching.

Began around July-August 1998....still at it. Haven't learned everything yet, so I guess I gotta continue.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (, November 23, 1999.

Approximately August '98.

Great people here.

-- number six (, November 24, 1999.

Hello everybody, I'm still alive and kicking (only just), have got new perm. job at Unum in Dorking Surrey, just down the road from Warnham, things are looking up the contracting scene in the UK has gone completely into a frozen state it won't wake up until after y2k (if there is one!) the Gov. has also lent its helping hand by tightening up the tax rules for small cos if anyone wants to EM me please feel free best wishes to everyone

-- dick of the dale (, November 24, 1999.

Consumer GOOD TO SEE YOU!! Elaborate please on Cleve?????

e. Coli??

Runway Cat??


Blue Himalayan??



-- Chuck, a night driver (, November 24, 1999.

Chuck, great to hear from you, why did I go away

reunion time for de yourdon posters

we are all still living/sane/employed/healthy/prepared aren't we?

-- dick of the dale (, November 24, 1999.

just checked my (work) EM address, I think this is correct

-- dick of the dale (, November 24, 1999.

Richard Dale! I welcomed you back on another thread, but in case you missed it... you're still my favorite limerick man! :-)

-- Gayla (, November 24, 1999.

Richard's return may magnetically pull Hardliner back into the limey limmy orbit!

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (, November 24, 1999.

Lurker since May of '98, regular poster since June or July, not always using real name or addy. Worked on 2 Y2k projects, and have now "graduated" to bigger and better things.

My thanks also to Ed and all the forum regulars. Good luck to one and all.

-- Steve (, November 24, 1999.

Lurking on this forum for more than a year and a half has been a life changing experience. I was very dissappointed when the trolls showed up (not sure just when - I think January) I am very grateful for all that I have learned here and my thanks to Ed for starting it. The forum has kept me focused on my preps. Uncle deedah...Meme? I'm gonna miss it!! Not much longer now...everyone...are you ready??? Lurker 13

-- lurker 13 (, November 24, 1999.


I am humbled by the company you place me with. . .

-- Hardliner (, November 24, 1999.

Great to see your voice, Hardliner. Hope you and yours are healthy.

-- PNG (, November 24, 1999.

Great to see your voice, Hardliner. Hope you and yours are healthy. ------

-- PNG (, November 24, 1999.

I don't know when I started posting here, maybe someone else has some idea. Over a year, I'm pretty sure. Maybe 18 months?

-- Flint (, November 24, 1999.

Hardliner! You made it! :-) I was hoping that maybe if we started mentioning limericks... LOL! The asylum hasn't been the same since you left!

-- Gayla (, November 24, 1999.

You guys are making me feel all misty. I spied MVI on another thread.

-- flora (***@__._), November 24, 1999.

Spun into cyberspace about Jan 99 immediately landed here. Unspun@March99, Acquiesced to the futility of Nom de plumes April 99, Been just plain ol' Michael here ever since. Programmer in late sixties early 70's - bailed and been learning how to survive every since. Love this place and those that call it community.



-- spun@alright (, November 24, 1999.

Just a Happy Thanksgiving and this...

Can you believe we are down to - 36 days? I'm really not sure how to get a handle around that.

Best wishes to great old friends.

I'm thankful to have found you all,



-- Michael Taylor (, November 25, 1999.

to the top

-- Old (timer@helping.out), November 25, 1999.

Aaahh, know the Countdown Ride has started in earnest. Hardliner is back!

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (, November 25, 1999.

Aww shucks! I gotta be part of this beautiful thread.

I've been here since June '98.

I want to thank all the oldtimers mentioned here who've enriched my knowledge and my life in greatly meaningful ways. And thank you Ed for having made this possible, and for keeping on keeping on.

It's a heart warming good feeling to see so many are still around and lurking. Best wishes to everyone!

-- Chris (, November 26, 1999.

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