Has anyone thought about backup plans if it goes infomagic?

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I've put some thought into what Corey Hamasaki said months ago, that he had a primary and secondary fallback location.

In being a longtime lurker, and given the sensitivity of my questions, I'll let you guess who I am... I know that some of you have intelligence and some degree of wisdom. I'm asking you to share it with me and everyone.

Given the assumption that nobody can be absolutely sure about impact effects and consequences, here is my list of what I know:

This is what I do know:

1. The Y2K problem is systemic in nature and global in scope. 2. The Y2K problem causes systems to either be degraded or fail. 3. The consequences of systemic failure are cascading cross defaults, spreading the problem to the entire system of infrastructures supporting our global civilization. 4. Our leaders did not listen to experts while there was sufficient time to fix the computers. 5. Our governments did not recognize the problem for what it truly was until far too late to fix it. 6. Our governments apparently do not have the vision or willpower to fix the problem. 7. There are not enough programmers to fix the problem. 8. There is not enough time to fix the problem. 9. The people are not being properly advised or encouraged to prepare for realistic consequences of disruptions or systemic failures. 10. Governments around the world are preparing for widespread, severe, and prolonged disruptions. I have seen evidence of preparations for martial law. 11. Most crisis management response plans (consequence management) are new and untested. Nobody knows how well they will work against a crisis of unknown proportion.

Now tell me there's no chance for a tragedy.

Please consider the following questions and let me know your thoughts... (in the multitude of cousellors is wisdom found and all that).

1. If impacts are FAR worse than you've prepared for, what will you do to provide for your family? Where will you go? 2. If you overlap known military base locations, national vital points, the 120 martial law city list, and climatologic data regarding wind-drift, do you know where to go to sustain your family long-term? 3. Regarding #2, can you get there, going around roadblocks and other obstacles? 4. Looking at your city/county/provincial/state map, can you see funnels (or pinch-points) in getting to and out of your city? 5. How long does it take people to leave the city when disasters occur? 6. Can you recognize signs of panic and beat the traffic jam in leaving the city?

I've had long talks with my girlfriend about this and we agree to move all vital kit to the fallback location NOW, and be ready to leave within 1/2hr of loss of electricity or other disaster. We also are prepared for 6 months of total failure. Beyond that, we must consider moving--but don't go south, and don't be near troops.

Let me know what you think, please.

-- Kurt A.Borzel (bowhunter@funnels.com), November 19, 1999


Iam glad Iam a cop!!

-- Swat (SWAT@you.com), November 19, 1999.

My husband and I agree about 90% of the time with regards to how we feel Y2K, gov't control, etc. will impact our lives. We physically moved 6 months ago to ensure greater security, but know that we're still not in a place where we can observe the situation without falling victim to some of the resulting problems. However, we disagree on the issue of people leaving the city enmasse. To me, it just doesn't seem practical at all to load my family into a vehicle and drive to who-knows-where, with questionable fuel availability and no certainty that where ever our van runs out of gas will be any better for us than where we were. It seems utterly absurd to me that it would accomplish anything, except to get us stranded in a strange place with no shelter or supplies. I can't imagine camping out in my van waiting for something better to happen. It's hard to envision what people might actually do during a crisis, but leaving the familiar for the unfamiliar doesn't seem advisable to me. Remembering the boat people escaping Vietnam, it seems clear to me that there really was a better place for them to go, albeit many lost their lives in trying. During a crisis with the magnitude that might engulf the US, where would people go ?? Maybe I am missing something, but I have a hard time seeing people bumper-bumper leaving the cities.

-- Kenin Marble (kenin17@yahoo.com), November 19, 1999.

One possible source of a little help is the:

DeLorme Atlas & Gazetteer.

It is available for every state and shows greater detail; especially small seldom used roads, trails, small lakes,etc.

The url is:


Click on: Atlas and Gazetteer Series and then select the area and then select the state.

You can order direct or they are sold at Office Depot.

-- snooze button (alarmclock_2000@yahoo.com), November 19, 1999.

I spent most of today repacking my bug out bag and tinkering with my old 4 wheel drive blazer (Camo hunting buggy) to make sure it is still in good running condition, and will carry it to town tomorrow to top off the 35 gallon fuel tank. Also installed a new CB radio in it. My strategy is pretty simple. If it's just the power grid going down I stay put unless civil chaos or martial law forces me to temporarily hit the boonies. In the event of power loss not due to storm activity I have a battery powered AM-FM-SW radio on the kitchen counter. Loss of all signals would be a definite indication of an EMP event probably prefacing a nuclear strike and immediate evac. (I live right across the road from a likely target) In the event I think a strike is underway my main goal is to put as much mileage between me and this target as possible in less than 30 minutes. I have prescouted good secluded campsites and also fallout protection such as storm culverts and old barns which could be made relatively airtight in a short amount of time with some plastic sheeting and duct tape. I have a couple of really good backup places to go to but neither is close enough to reach in that amount of time, so first I go to ground, wait till the dust settles, and either return to home or move on to alternate sites. Blazer is loaded out with...

40lbs beans, 40 lbs rice, 20 gallons drinking water, water purification tablets for more, blankets -foam mattress, pots and pans, utensils, first aid kit, Chains, rope, come-a-long, lanterns, stove, fuel for each, flashlights, lots of batteries including spare 12 volt for engine, spare hoses and belts, spare distributor assembly, hand tools, chain saw, ax and maul, wedges, miscellaneous canned goods, guns, ammo, lots of maps, a compass. And the most important thing, a good set of barb wire cutters. There's a lot in there I have not listed but I have been working on the loadout for several months and it's hard to recall just what all I have put in there. Chances are I will not need to use this rig, but if you have a spare vehicle it sure gives a lot of peace of mind to know you can be on the road in under five minutes with everything you need to survive for several months.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 19, 1999.

Here is our plan. My folks have 100 acres in a remote part of Ontario. The nearest town (consisting of a gas station and lumber mill) is 7 miles away. The nearest town with a grocery store is 40 miles away. We vacation there in the summer and often go up for the Christmas and/or New Years.

There is a lake in the middle of the property and a cottage at the edge of the lake. They stocked the cottage this past summer with food to last 3 months. The water from the lake is potable. There is a wood stove in the basement and a central fireplace. We have 3 .22s, a 30-30 and a shotgun with sufficient ammunition. The only preparation for Y2K is the food supply. Everything else is routine.

We plan to head up there after Christmas (I am beginning to have concerns with the timing given the recent developments in the oil industry.)

Right now, we are scheduling to stay at the cottage until January 9. Obviously, this will depend on the situation.

We have also stocked supplies in our house in the States as a back up.

I know it is late, but we are still in the process of completing our contigency plan for bugging out. That is, if we return on the 9th and then things begin to go downhill.

For what it is worth, that is our plan.

-- Pete (pberry1_98@yahoo.com), November 19, 1999.

In the event that all of my efforts to be self-sufficent and heavily prepared fail me, I am fully prepared and ready to sponge off the pity and generosity of others.

-- Paula (chowbabe@pacbell.net), November 19, 1999.


Good plan for a single man...but no solution for a family, in the dead of winter, unless you live in a warm climate...even then, if the problem you are attempting to escape is nuclear, good luck. Your stash would be inadequate. It seems to me that a lot of men have similar thoughts of roughing it, and toughing it out in the wild....easier said than done.

-- Kenin Marble (kenin17@yahoo.com), November 19, 1999.

.....I've planned on "infomagic" all along, so if it's only a 10, I'll be relieved.

-- Patrick (pmchenry@gradall.com), November 19, 1999.

I asked on another list for clues as to when would be a good time for a last-minute bugout, and the best reply I got was this: If they declare a curfew, leave the following morning. Makes sense to me.

-- Liz Pavek (lizpavek@hotmail.com), November 19, 1999.

Kenin, I can appreciate what you are saying, but as should be clear in my post this is a worst case, out of other options fallback plan. I'm not exactly a tenderfoot, either. Being raised in the East Texas piney woods camping and hunting have been my main hobbie for 30 years. I got my first gun when I was 7 years old and killed my first deer at ten. When I was younger a couple of buddies and I would go on two week campouts with nothing but a .22 rifle, a knife and a skillet. I aint forgot how it's done, and as you say East Texas isn't exactly the arctic circle. I figure if it gets bad enough I have to abandon my house and most of my preps I can get along just fine for quite a while.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 20, 1999.

"A Country Boy Will Survive"--Charlie Daniels Band

We live in a moderately populated area with little fallback room. Any minimally populated area that is acceptable is 4 hours drive. Not good. My principal bug out plan is to avoid being 'helped' into any shelter and taking whatever measures necessary to achieve that goal. I have a yurt, foodstocks and other materials in a trailer that will attach to whichever of the vehicles survive. There is a 20 acre lake near us that belongs to the county (used for firefighting water source) and is located in a 200 acre watershed on a very back road. Squatter's rights time, I guess.

My homestead is about as self-sufficient as I can make it without totally strapping me and my family out of cash. I am lucky in that I have good neighbors and for the most part, can trust the ones close. I believe I can 'motivate' the others to do (work) for the common good. If not.....

-- Lobo (atthelair@yahoo.com), November 20, 1999.

Those who plan to bug out will come back to a RANSACKED HOME!

-- freddie (freddie@thefreeloader.com), November 20, 1999.

Probably true freddie, but sometimes you just have to cut your losses and bail. Better a ransacked home and you still have some control over your destiny than to be dead or locked away in some gov. stockade.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 20, 1999.

Liz, "If they declare......"

The major roads will be contolled by "tomorrow morning". Too late.

#2Where to go-the 2nd most evil man in ___ just bought a house in New York.

-- maid upname (noid@ihope.com), November 20, 1999.

Hey Nik,

If you diagnose a possible EMP, you're cutting it mighty close towards getting distance between you and the target.

Those new Russian subs and those new Topol missles could strike within seven minutes of launch.

Not to mention that if there is an EMP burst before a strike, your get-up-and-go vehicle will go nowhere. EMP wastes any and all circuitboards and electronics. Don't think your starter will make it, unless of course you have found a way to shield your car from EMP.

My undestanding is that even a lawnmower won't start if it's been exposed to an Electromagnetic Pulse.

If you're able, put some space between you and the target as soon as possible. If China looks to make a move on Taiwaan, I'd say book immediate and not look back.

Just my .02".

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), November 20, 1999.

Nikoli -- an old barn -- or a new barn for that matter -- is not going to be much help if there is any degree of seriously radioactive fallout. Wood is virtually transparent to gamma radiation. I have seen barns in the Midwest with stone wall foundations rising 4 to 6 feet from ground level, the wood structure built on those wall. The stone would provide much more shielding. But much of the fallout is fine dust and any wind will kick it up and move it around -- unless your shelter is airtight the dust will get in.

Pete -- I know most of the lakes in Northern Ontario would be free of manmade contamination. But you should filter the water anyway. Giardia is present in the feces of many animals, could get into the lake in storm runoff, and giardiasis is not an acceptable risk in that situation.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), November 20, 1999.


Check you email.


-- gb (gb@lacasa.com), November 20, 1999.

Hi all:

Good conversations here. Keep sensitive stuff off the forum for your security.

I work for gov't (CDN) and get paid to pay attention to details too.

-- (K.@54North.com), November 20, 1999.

How does one prepare for the unknown with a limitless number of variables. My thoughts on infomagic, after the heart flutters, was a conscious decision to focus my preps on what is managable (5-7). With a family bugging out becomes more problematic. The only good news that I can see is an infomagic scenario will probably take time to build up. The all problems at the stroke of midnight is not realistic. Fortunately we are outside the city and if the city goes the government will probably attempt to contain the cities. A mass panic means the roads become a parking lot and the cities contain themselves.

The questions assume there is a lot of warning and a general progression in the events. The situations are likely to be spontaneous and unpredictable as any we have seen. Also the leaving the cities doesn't make sense. If things are that bad leave the cities to go where? The more unstable the society becomes the more people might (rational or not) stay as long as possible in familiar surroundings. Individuals today are creatures of habits and in the dead of winter most may stay put.

-- squid (Itsdark@down.here), November 20, 1999.

Nik - your my kinda prepper; R&R&R - redundancy, retrofit, and repair.

If you don't have it, fix it or build it. A spare to keep basics viable until they are replaced or repaired. Skills, tools, time, and the ability to acquire the raw materials.

Invar - Shouldn't/couldn't you say *when* China moves on Taiwaan? Having the US on a short leas(h), with Panama all but in the bag, we will be hard pressed to offer up much of a legitimate response. Again I agree with you, it will be a powerful hole card!

I can almost hear the piano tuning, the almost recognizable de facto vocal tuning, and I can picture a very rotund lady rehearsing lines from the operetta. I have the programe`, but there's *NO* title on it. Any suggestions?


-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), November 20, 1999.

To those positing a war over Taiwan --

What makes anyone think that *this* president would do *anything* about a mainland takeover of Taiwan? (Other than to extend hearty congratulations, with his outstretched hand palm up?)

Kurt --

Good post. However, there really isn't much anyone can do to prepare for 'infomagic'. Other than to make preps based on the possibility of needing to be completely self-sufficient for a couple of years (or longer). And giving oneself and family a chance to survive long enough to try.

-- just another (another@engineer.com), November 20, 1999.

What are the chances (if the phones work to call friend) of a private plane to land in a small towns air strip? Do you think there would be any problems? Also,another friend is thinking of having her ex- neighbor in California fly her grown son to Vegas,where she lives,if there is a need to do so.Do you think this sounds reasonable?

-- Maggie (aaa@aaa.com), November 20, 1999.

Invar, Hi old buddy. Yep it could be a close thing. I figure I will have at least 30 minutes, maybe an hour to evac though. The target across the road from me is a three unit 750 megawatt power plant. It was the largest lignite fired plant in the world at least until recently, if not still. I figure those first wave nukes will be directed exclusively at military-command control, and government targets, followed by major cities, then outlying infrastructure such as my power plant. There is no nearby city so it will only take a small warhead to knock it out. I'm guessing a ten mile blast radius max. Prevailing winds here are from the west all year long so I'm headed southwest initially, which will also remove me from the footprint of a masssive strike on the Dallas Ft. Worth metroplex,(140 miles away) and should leave me short of the fallout from Ft. Hood- Waco. 180 miles away. Barksdale AFB in Shreveport is only 60 miles from me but it is East so there will be no problems with its fallout.

I have discussed EMP with quite a few people and done some research on it. I think the blazer will still start as it is equipped with a points type distributor circa 1969. I have the origional electronic ignition assembley in a metal ammo can which should shield it effectively. I don't think the starter is a problem from most of the people I have talked to the primary damage will be to diodes and transistors. I did take the precaution of running heavy guage wire from the battery into the spare battery with a switch that will allow me to cut over from one to the other as the alternator will most likely be fried. Haven't got a spare alternator yet but will have one within a couple of weeks. Two batteries should be plenty of juice to get me outside the ten mile blast area anyway, with enough voltage left for a restart after I install the new alternator.

Tom, the barn I am specifically referring to is one of those old monsters that is about forty feet high with hay loft and a hundred or so feet long. It sits in an overgrown hay field that is owned by an out of state party and has horse stalls built inside. There is not a house within four miles of it in any direction and it is reachable only by hiking a mile or cutting a fence and using an off road vehicle. From my study of nuclear fallout and reading nuclear war survival skills it seems that the density of the cover material is not nearly as important as distance from the walls and roof, which will collect most of the fallout. The structure of the old barn is still in amazingly good shape as it was constructeed of white oak so there won't be a lot of patching to do on it. By sealing one of the stalls with plastic, and digging down several feet in the loose soil I think a really good improvised shelter could be made in there. The excavated soil will be piled outside the plastic on the side nearest the wall, giving further shielding, and like I pointed out I'm in one of the lightest fallout areas of the country anyway. Anything popped anywhere near me is going to be an airburst so there shouldn't be that much fallout anyway. Frankly I'm more concerned about follow on biological attacks.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 20, 1999.

gd, I have a new e-mail address as my old server is gone out of business. clem@usac.net

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 20, 1999.

Forget bugging out: by the time you've figured it out, so have hundreds of others, less prepared but likely armed, who will kill to survive. ( Not Internet types, if you get my drift, but those lately informed by NBC movies, etc.) Only way to prepare (and this isn't any slam-dunk, either)is to get to location ahead of rollover and wait it out. That's what the big boys are doing. Will be interesting to see how many TV "talking heads" are on vacation in Telluride or Jackson Hole the last week of December, along with their CEO buddies.....just a skiing trip.....just a little holiday trip.....we thought it would be nice to get away a little longer this year....blah, blah, blah...and the government guys will be in their "bunkers". I'll be waiting to see where these guys hang out during the countdown to get a fix on just what may be coming. Personally, I'm still somewhat scared.

-- Shlomo (steverromano@eaton.com), November 20, 1999.

People, for God's sake! All this talk about surviving a nuclear attack is ridiculous! Do you know why the Soviets have not nuked us already given their overwhelming numerical advantage in warheads? The main reason is that they have been told by their rocket scientists that a large percentage of their own weaponry will fall on either ther own country or other countries than the target due to malfunctioning missles guidence systems, MIRV systems, wind currents etc. The likelyhood of malfunctions increases with age. We have the same problem. My cousin is a rocket scientist with NASA, and has told me emphatically that pinpoint accuracy of all our missles is possible but some percentage will deffinately go off target and destroy God-knows-what. The Russian problem is compounded by the fact that they use liquid fuel for most of their rockets over 10 years old, and liquid fuel is highly unstable and hard to maintain. Remember, we have had SIX launch malfunctions on satellite launch attempts in the US in 99, and we are hands down the most reliable launchers of these vehicles. Just imagine the Russian mal-function rate. That is why they have produced so many nukes. They know this fact.

Therefore, if there is a nuke attack, it will be launched out of utter desperation by an enemy that is almost guranteed to obliterate many areas of it's own country and other non-target areas. If you DO survive this it will be purely by accident since your bugout area could very well take a hit or near miss. The Russians will go for a mass saturation strategy to keep us from retaliating . I for one do not want to survive to live in the world we will have after such an attack. Thats why I will save one bullet as my ultimate bug-out strategy.

Finally, I am NOT saying the nukes will not fly. The treason by our commander in briefs has increased exponentially the likelyhood of enemy attack. Clinton has degraded our forces much more that Joe six pack can imagine. We will be a sitting duck if we get one more socialist administration. I am prepping for Y2k energetically, but for a nuclear exchange? Give me a break.

-- doktorbob (downsouth@dixie.com), November 20, 1999.

Hiary's new digs are too close to the Indian Point nuclear plant for my comfort, wouldn't pay me to live there. This may give some of you some perverse satisfaction.

-- Firemouse (firemouse@fcmail.com), November 20, 1999.

doctorbob, I get to feeling that way too, was just a couple of days ago I said to myself why bother? The reason is simple. Somebody has to survive to punish those responsible and make sure history gets the straight scoop. I really don't think a nuclear strike is likely to happen, but it's damned sure a looming possibility. I do know this. If they launch those things and I survive I'll walk to Alaska and cross the Bearing strait in a canoe then hike to Moscow to get some payback if that's what it takes. Although it may take a while as I will stop at Mt. Weather first and it's a little out of the way.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 20, 1999.

I know you can not put a vehicle in a metal ammo box but I have read that you can put small electronics, like solar radios, phones etc. in small metal ammo boxes and they will be safe from EMP. I have also read that you can have such as a computer in a basement that is surrounded by dirt on all sides and the ceiling of the basement room covered with copper mesh and it will protect the computer IF THE COMPUTER is not plugged in, in any way of course.

Does anyone know for sure these will work?

I do not think running to bug out is the safest for us to do. We have a well that I will cover with plastic, then dirt before the rollover to protect our water source. If there are nukes busting in air then who really knows WHERE will be safe. I do not have the funds to "move" to the hills and think just camping out in the Mtns. would be worse.

I have a big "T" shaped hole dug (boy was that hard work) and closer to time I will cover it with boards plastic and dirt then move us into it about 5 p.m., Dec. 31 with all the food, water and seeds we can fit then sit it out until the following day at 1:00 pm. I think if Nukes are going to go off by accident they will have by then as everyone should be rolled over by then. Of course if Nukes have come then I think we will stay in for two weeks at least.

-- Onebyone (susanwater@excite.com), November 20, 1999.

Hey everyone. I am a pretty regular poster to this forum but under a different handle at this time. I am really envious of those who have had the time/money to have such elaborate backup plans. We live in the burbs of a major southern city and could not afford to move.

There are only a couple of conditions under which we would bug out:

1. The house is on fire and our fire extinguishers can't handle it and emergency services are out of the question/unobtainable.

2. There are more people coming at our house looking to loot/whatever than we can handle with our two weapons. (In that case we go out whatever door or window we can...)

We have two locations to go to...one is easily reachable by foot (probably more for the second scenario) carrying our bug out bags....a wooded area maybe 1/16 of a mile away. Nice and secluded...private property, we don't know whose. Easy to hide in the trees--all camping equipment is camo. No house on the land. Used for absolutely nothing. Have scoped it out during daylight hours and at night. No trash making me think people frequent the place such as fast food wrappers, beer cans, etc.

2. By car: an abandoned farmhouse in a small town north of us on a very large piece of land. Very very rural area, the road is not named or marked. Have practiced finding it at night and during the day and made absolutely sure it is abandonded. Nearest neighbors are very far away. Have timed how long it takes to drive there under both light and heavy traffic and planned out 3 routes to it. Only problem is if things are bad enough for us to bug out to this place, everyone else will be going north, too. Can't really store any provisions there as it is not our property. And we would be hoping no one else got there before we did if we needed to bug out there.

As you can see, #2 has a lot of places it can go wrong.

We live in a pretty densely populated suburb, but our subdivision is very tucked away (hidden)--no easy access to major streets, have to go very round-about ways. Only things concerning me are the large strip malls located about 1/2 a mile away.

-- not my usual handle (notmyusualhandle@hereandthere.com), November 20, 1999.

Too many posts about dodging fallout. I don't have to be a computer expert to know that missiles aren't going to launch because of a date change problem. The redundancies for preventing accidental launch will do just that - prevent any accidental launches. Secondly, the former Soviet Union has us just where they want us - Forking over aid by the barrels which is concentrated in the hands of a few. Do you honestly think they want that to end?

-- Guy Daley (guydaley@bwn.net), November 20, 1999.

Nuke fallout does not just come from Nuke bombs; it also comes from Nuke plants that may shut down and have problems. I am concerned about Nuke plants too.

-Accidentially on purpose - nukes could be fired. Do you really think that if there are going to be major shut downs in USA and all over the world, in all sectors, that any foreign country which is on the dole now will be expecting money from the USA? If things are that bad then we will be trying to help our citizens first so may not be any money left over to give to the leaches.

If we have no money to give to the leaches then they may try to accidentially on purpose take us out so they can be big boy in town again, even if just a poor big boy. Makes sense to me. Politians are rotten the world over; I don't expect that to change.

-- Onebyone (susanwater@excite.com), November 20, 1999.

Well I don't know Guy. I do know that the sexident has lowered our nuclear defenses flat to the ground. I know that whichever political block comes out of Y2k most intact is going to run the planet for at least the next 100 years, or till the oil runs out. I know FEMA is tasked as the backup government in case of nuclear war and they are spending the rollover in Mt. Weather. I know our molester in chief has sold out completely to the Chinese and our military is scattered to hell and gone all over the planet stamping out campfires while the bonfire is about to be ignited here at home. I know the Republicans caved on everything in the budget in their panic to get the hell out of Washington. Next time you see that drunken senile old fool Yeltsin on tv threatening to nuke us ask yourself if you really feel safe in his hands.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 20, 1999.

Nik; For what it's worth on the EMP issue, put a couple sets of points in you ammo can. Lat 70's early 80's Air Force EMP testing of vehicles showed that carbon points crystalize during an EMP burst. Similar points crystalization would occur on race engines from high rpm operation. Engines quitting after much spitting and sputtering was the usual result.

You certainly don't want to suffer the safe kind of problem during your bugout. So you can either have extra point sets on hand, or go to the solid brass ignition points sets which became the hotrodder's part of choice before electonic ignitions.

And don't forget that some brands of distributor caps and rotor buttons use carbon contacts also. Again, look for the solid brass or aluminum parts now available. Accell and Echlin are two brands that come to mind.

A big advantage of using non-carbon pieces is that you never know if someone might not light-off an EMP-producing shot while you're on your way. If someone sets one off relatively nearby (60-100 miles), you sure don't want to come to a dead halt while you're trying to get to your shelter site.


-- Wildweasel (vtmldm@epix.net), November 20, 1999.

thanks for the heads up WW, never heard that about points before. I wonder if a point file applied through the adjustment opening on the old gm caps would get them going again? Or if some ground straps attached to the body would help reduce the effect of the emp while in a parked position? Like maybe drive a ground rod at each end of the vehicle and hook jumper cables from the bumpers to it? Or maybe cut some chicken wire to the size of the vehicle and drape it completely over and clear to the ground like a camo net?

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 21, 1999.

One more WW. If I just pull off the distributor cap, leaving the wires attached, will this not remove 99% of the "EMP antenna" Leaving the disharge nowhere to go but through the spark plugs? I think this would spare both the points and the Rotor-cap assembly as it would elminate the ARC. The voltages must be immense from an EMP burst if it is going to burn out parts that handle in excess of 30,000V in normal operation.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), November 21, 1999.

If thing go infomagic I believe it would be appropriate for us to grow mohawks and wait the coming apocalypse.But,goo god,not even scary Gary North expects an infomagic scenario.

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), November 27, 1999.

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