Will Nov 21 "Y2K the movie" trigger bank/food runs?

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I recently saw the trailer for NBC's "Y2K the movie". Very Scary. As the surveys have shown that a signicant percent of the american population intends to do "something" about prep, is it possible that the supply lines could be vulnerable starting next week (after the broadcast) All that's needed is one shot of a grocery or bank lineup on CNN. I've been putting off bulk food purchases until now, but I'm heading out tomorrow to stock up. Just a thought.

-- John Smith (worried@panic.com), November 16, 1999


>I recently saw the trailer for NBC's "Y2K the movie". Very Scary.

>I've been putting off bulk food purchases until now, but I'm heading out tomorrow to stock up.

Looks to me like you answered your own question.

-- Paula (chowbabe@pacbell.net), November 16, 1999.

I agree. With the general unpredictability of the masses, we're going on a last "major food shop" this weekend. After that, I think we'll have all the large bulk purchases taken care of. Also, wife is going to place another bulk-bag grain/bean order at Cub tomorrow. (The LAST ONE!)

My personal belief is that we're now OUT OF TIME. The clock may well run out Sunday night at 10 p.m. I strongly suggest that EVERYTHING except last-minute stuff be purchased before then. This includes any "specialty" equipment, such as night vision, generators, water filters and the like. You might also want to include CB/shortwave radios on that list.

As far as I'm concerned, our "grace period" is finished.

45 days.

-- Dennis (djolson@cherco.net), November 16, 1999.

Considering the way the herd of sheeple think, I would say definitely yes. They are not interested in factual information, but when they see something in a movie, WATCHOUT!! Get your turkeys now unless you want to stand in line for hours, and maybe not even get one. :-) LOL

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 16, 1999.

No. They won't wake up. After all, it's only a movie and the problem is solved in less than 24 hours.

They'll go back to sleep.

-- (jlinn35323@aol.com), November 16, 1999.

And quite a thought it is! I think it is rather difficult to say if this movie will trigger any prep moves by the general public. After all, the cattle out there have been virtually comatose all this time. They have paid little or no attention to the issue. One moron asked me if Y2K "was a new rap group???" Geez!

It would be nice if more people were thinking about their personal safety and security and had some preps under wraps. There MIGHT be some level of reactionary buying after the movie but that is no way a certainty. The media has done a high power job of smearing the film and too many people just don't get Y2K as an issue, or think it is a hoax.

Serious prep should have been completed several months ago. All we can do now is sir back and see if Joe Sixpack will awaken from his beer and video game stupor...



-- Irving (irvingf@myremarq.com), November 16, 1999.

My guess, just a guess, is NO. The general public seems pretty set in the No-Big-Deal mode. My bet is that Thanksgiving, Christmas, pro-football, party-party, etc will take precedence to a made-for-TV movie. Like it or not, WE are in the minority.

-- Lars (lars@indy.net), November 16, 1999.

Bad combination of the Y2K: The Movie and Thanksgiving weekend. The largest shopping day of the year could see a few Coleman appliances trickling out the door.

Of course, the average person can easily discern fact and fiction...can't they? When they do, I hope somebody fills me in.

-- Dave (aaa@aaa.com), November 16, 1999.

No, the public won't panic, only the Doomlits on this forum have the tendancy to panic. You are currently panicing about the possibility of panic. This is only a lame TV movie. Who the hell watches those anyway?

-- You Knowwho (debunk@doomeridiots.com), November 16, 1999.

...utilities are worried...

http://library.northernlight.com/FB19991116960000099.html?cb=0&dx=1006 &sc=0#doc



Story Filed: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 1:23 PM EST

WASHINGTON, Nov 16, 1999 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- With NBC set to air this Sunday a made-for-TV movie depicting widespread chaos and social unrest caused by the Millennium date change, the Edison Electric Institute has urged NBC affiliate stations to help allay potential public concern by thoroughly covering local Y2K preparations.

EEI, the trade association representing U.S. shareholder-owned electric utilities that generate and deliver three-fourths of the nation's electricity, made the request in letters sent to the nation's 100 largest NBC affiliates in advance of the November 21 airing of "Y2K," whose script includes widespread power outages.

"Regrettably, fear and opportunism regarding the new Millennium are widespread and likely to grow as the New Year approaches," said M. William Brier, EEI's vice president, communication. "We are concerned that the film, coming just before the conversion, will fan flames of panic and unnecessary alarm."

In recent days, network news programs, including NBC's Dateline and Today, have made reference to the "millions of people" who anticipate Apocalyptic events timed to the New Year's weekend. Recent reports by the FBI and the Anti-Defamation League voiced similar concerns.

According to EEI, while the movie is clearly an entertainment vehicle, it may unintentionally reinforce the beliefs of many individuals that a chaotic event is imminent. Indeed, the media have frequently noted reports of stockpiling and arms purchases connected to Y2K. The movie includes depictions of societal disintegration. In one scene, federal troops shoot a homeowner who refuses to leave his home in the course of an evacuation. EEI attended a preview of the movie earlier this week.

"For the record, we have confidence in the Y2K readiness of the nation's network industries," Brier said. "The electric grid is Y2K-Ready today. We anticipate a New Year like any other. Isolated electric outages occur every day. It would be a serious mistake to assume that any outage over the holiday weekend is related to the Millennium change." Brier noted that the electric utility industry, like other network industries such as telecommunications, oil and gas, has spent billions of dollars over several years to prepare for the transition to 2000.

"We hope that prior to and following this program print and broadcast news organizations will seize the opportunity to step up to the plate and offer viewers and readers clear and thorough coverage of local Y2K preparations," Brier said. "The Millennium transition presents a unique challenge to provide accurate information without sensationalism."

Edison Electric Institute is the association of shareholder-owned electric companies, international affiliates, and associates, whose domestic members deliver about three-quarters of the nation's electricity.

The Edison Electric Institute sent the following letter to the top 100 NBC affiliate stations in the country dated October 26:

As you know, your network is planning to air on November 21 a movie titled "Y2K," which will depict a nation plunged into chaos on New Year's Eve because of widespread computer failure. Its plot includes electric blackouts, near- nuclear meltdowns and widespread panic.

At EEI, which represents the nation's shareholder-owned electric utilities, we are concerned that the NBC film -- while clearly intended as entertainment and not news -- may unnecessarily cause Americans to have unjustified fears about U.S. preparedness for the conversion to the year 2000.

Our member companies, which deliver about three-quarters of the nation's electricity, have worked diligently with the President's Council on Y2K Preparedness, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), and the North American Electric Reliability Council to ensure that the lights will keep burning on January 1. In fact, our members have spent about $2.5 billion to make sure that this coming New Year's Day is like any other. We cannot guarantee that there won't be any localized outages -- they occur every day. But we can state unequivocally that the electric utility industry is Y2K ready.

Regrettably, however, fear and opportunism regarding the new millennium are widespread, and likely will grow as the New Year approaches. We are concerned that the NBC film, coming just before the conversion, will fan flames of panic and unnecessary alarm.

Reports of Americans stockpiling food, electric generators, gas masks and even weapons are widespread in the media. These reports have prompted many organizations, including most recently the Anti-Defamation League, to issue a report on the dangers from Americans overreacting to Y2K anxiety. We have attached that organization's press release.

In short, at EEI, we believe the network film may exacerbate these anxieties. We understand the need for creative, exciting programming. But we also believe in the importance of social responsibility at critical moments like the one we're about to enter.

Therefore, it is our hope that your station might be willing to consider alternative programming that evening. Otherwise, you might consider airing a disclaimer or a crawl reminding audiences that the scenes depicted in the NBC film are imaginary and very unlikely to unfold in real life on January 1. Alternatively, perhaps your station would consider airing a news report on your city's Y2K preparedness, featuring interviews with local officials and industry leaders.

We hope that you will seize this opportunity to make a positive impact in your viewing area, and we are ready to assist you with any information on electric utility Y2K-related issues. Please feel free to contact John Castagna on my staff at 202-508-5661 or visit the Edison Electric Institute website at www.eei.org.

SOURCE Edison Electric Institute (C) 1999 PR Newswire. All rights reserved. http://www.prnewswire.com

CONTACT: John Castagna of the Edison Electric Institute, 202-508-5661,

or email: Jcastagna@eei.org

-- Homer Beanfang (Bats@inbellfry.com), November 16, 1999.

I'd suggest that we all take advantage of this time to do some hard buying of short-lived canned goods like tomato products and high acid fruits (these have a shelf life of about a year). See ya at the counter!

-- Choirboy (choirboy@hellzchoir.edu), November 16, 1999.

Hey folks, you may not believe this but there are still people in America without a computer. I know, I know, that comes as quite a shock but its true. Worse than that though, hold on to your chair, there are people that have never heard of Y2K. Stop the guffawing, I tell you its true! Alright you don't believe me, then here's my proof. Get yourself a translator, go to a jobsite, and ask the people working there if they know what Y2K is. Yes, I know - They won't be able to watch the movie either - Lets skip that group of 10,000,000 then and ask an average Mormon housewife with 7 or 8 little uns' if they know what Y2K is. I'll bet you there are sports fanatics out there that could tell you how many TDs Johnny Unitas had in his career but don't know what Y2K is, alright, alright, he won't be watching that movie either. I don't care what you think, the Y2K movie is GOING to reach some illiterate people and for the first time in their lives they will have to consider the problem.

-- Guy Daley (guydaley@bwn.net), November 16, 1999.

If the movie is terribly cheesy, which it probably will be, then it will encourage increased scoffing more than increased preparation.

You know how many people love comedies that are excessively stupid because it makes them feel smarter? Similar dynamics at work.

-- Gus (y2kk@usa.net), November 16, 1999.

I wonder if Kosky will show up after the movie giving the government's rebuttal, you know, kind of like the congressional opposition does to the President's Saturday radio broadcast.

There will be chatter and joking around the water cooler on Monday, but I think people will be too busy with Thanksgiving plans to let the underlying message sink in too deeply. Folks will be planning menus, planning trips to grandmas. Talk around the dinner table on Thanksgiving will turn to Y2k in many households where it hasn't yet because people will start making connections between the present cornuccopia and the threat of next year's scarcity. Some will think about prepping, but then, of course, the next day is the official beginning of the Christmas Shopping Season!! I think folks who are awakened to Y2k this weekend will likely ride the same rollercoaster that many of us have for the past XX months, oscillating between optimism and pessimism, hope and despair, and all within 45 days. Some will GI, most will continue not to; anxiety, second-guessing, self-doubt, apprehension, will set it. The gnashing of teeth and the biting of nails. People will start looking suspiciously at the shopping carts of fellow shoppers and begin to feel the compulsion to buy a few other items. Others will just stumble along, a slow, creeping dread growing like a cloud of ink in still water. There is no clear scenario ahead, mostly murkiness and confusion. Will the first Y2k WhackJob raise his ugly head over the next 10 days, you know, the guy who takes a radio station hostage because he has important news about Y2k?

-- Kurt Ayau (Ayau@iwinet.com), November 16, 1999.

No, People will not leap up during the end of movie credits, scream "oh my god!! it's so clear now" and run to the store.

They will go to work Monday and talk to their friends about it. Then they will come home and talk to their spouse about it. Maybe look on that internet thingy. Then they'll go "hmmmm", and go to sleep. Tuesday at work they'll talk about it some more. One of their friends will have bought some groceries. A friend of a friend will come back from the store and say "you know, there didnt seem to be as much SPAM on the shelf as usual. They will say "hmmm" and go to sleep. Wednesday at work they will say "hey! if everyone goes and buys SPAM, there wont be any left for me". They will forget about it, because they are too busy cooking for Thursday. After dinner Thursday, they will be talking with family that they havent seen in forever, and discover that they had the same thought. They will think about that for about 24 hours. Friday night or Saturday, they will go to the store. They will see everyone else pull up, and they will look at each other like hyenas circling a corpse. Then the stores will begin to quickly run out of food etc..

-- MegaDude (CWHale67@hotmail.com), November 16, 1999.

I think a lot rides on the spin between now and Sunday night. Without the spin, I think a certain % of the population will panic and head to the store. Some small % probably will anyway. The media spin may keep it from getting out of control right away.

However, if that small % does head to the store, whether right away or later in the following weekend, etc. then I believe it will be noticed and others will follow suit. It will only take one event somewhere in the nation that gets some media attention and all those supressed doubts will start to bubble to the top and they will follow as well. Once that happens, it could easily turn into mass panic.

I don't want to be in the middle of it. Thank God we're prepared!

At times I have to stop and reflect on this time we're going through. What an event! I just pray we have the opportunity to tell the stories to the grandchildren in the next generation. I marvel at the stories from my folks and others about the Great Depression, bank runs, etc.


-- chas (chicks@ix.netcom.com), November 16, 1999.

Many times, we have tried to guess "when" Joe Sixpack will wake up to what is about to happen. We have many times said, hey THIS new article, THIS news report, THIS Navy Report, THIS Senate report, etc., etc. Always, Joe Sixpack has continued to snooze.

But I can't help but believe that each of the above managed to register, it was not forgotten. With Y2K practically a household word at this point, and mentioned all over TV and the news, maybe -- just maybe -- the combination of this upcoming movie plus everthing that had preceded it might act as a cumulative effect and actually get Joe awake.

Then again, probably not.

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.cum), November 16, 1999.

I think Mega Dude is right on the money with his assesment.

-- Gia (laureltree7@hotmail.com), November 17, 1999.

If anyone out there is interested, I'll begin posting sales figures from my store on an ongoing basis, i.e., today this year vs. same day last year, and today this week vs. same day last week (percentage increase or decrease for both). Any increases will be readily evident. My educated guess is that we won't see sharp increases until the last week of December, but I hope I'm wrong.

Store Director, Albertson's #xxxx Your Friendly GI Grocer

-- Canstacker (anon@anon.com), November 17, 1999.

Guy Daley makes a good point, and I was also thinking along the same lines. The reason most of us are aware of the implications is primarily because of the abundance of info on the Net. But there are still an awful lot of people out there who don't surf but they watch the boob tube. I think the movie will wake up some of the lower class, less educated portions of the population.

The timing is bad though. With the Christmas shopping season starting right after Thanksgiving, a lot of these people may decide that the toys for the kids are more important than stocking up. We'll see!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 17, 1999.

I think this could be one of the turning points we've all been waiting for (read fearing). Television is a very powerful medium. It uses emotional communication rather than cerebral. Depicting Y2K as people's worse nightmare might just trigger a chain reaction among the people sitting on the fence all the way to the stock market. In speaking with people about Y2K, almost all are suspicious that "something is happening" but they don't really know what. And many are suspicious about the government to begin with.

This may just light the fuse. We are urging all on our mailing list to make their final preps before the 21st, just in case.

If joe sixpack doesn't wake up, we all may be in worse shape as a country than we expected.

Coming to a town near you...

11/21 - Y2K The movie

01/01/Oh-oh - Y2K The Ride


-- Keith Nealy (keithn@aloha.net), November 17, 1999.

No, the public won't panic, only the Doomlits on this forum have the tendancy to panic. You are currently panicing about the possibility of panic. This is only a lame TV movie. Who the hell watches those anyway?

-- You Knowwho (debunk@doomeridiots.com), November 16, 1999.

Hmmm... I don't see anyone here panicing - just discussing. The people who seem to be panicing are the bankers, utilities and government, all over some "lame TV movie" that nobody will watch. Does this give you a clue?

-- Why am I replying to idiots? (should@know.better), November 17, 1999.



Tuesday November 16, 9:00 am Eastern Time

Company Press Release


Y2K Reality Check; WPXI-TV Prepares for `Y2K The Movie'

PITTSBURGH, Nov. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- On Sunday, November 21, WPXI-TV will air the fictional drama ``Y2K The Movie.'' This program presents a fictional scenario of what could go wrong on the eve of the new millennium.

Because many viewers fear just such a scenario, WPXI-TV has taken steps to minimize those fears. Disclaimers, explanations, and in depth reporting will take place before, during and after the broadcast in order to fully inform viewers about the fictional nature of the broadcast and to provide coverage of Y2K-related concerns.

Viewers will be told repeatedly: ``This program is a purely fictional thriller. The characters and situations are not based on fact. This program does not suggest or imply that any of these events could actually occur.''

On Friday, November 19th at 11:00 p.m., WPXI-TV will air a preview of the movie with response from Y2K experts addressing the fictional nature of this drama.

Beginning the morning of Sunday, November 21st, WPXI-TV will air a series of reports called ``Y2K Reality Check.'' These reports will address the fictional nature of this movie and detail the Y2K state of readiness among major institutions in our community.

Periodically throughout the broadcast of ``Y2K The Movie,'' a crawl will run at the bottom of the screen reminding viewers that ``Y2K The Movie'' is purely fictional, and directing concerned viewers to the ``Y2K Reality Check'' report following the movie.

That report will run during Channel 11 News 11 at 11 directly following the ``Y2K The Movie'' broadcast.

For viewers who continue to feel concern, experts will staff a Y2K phone bank to respond to immediate questions.

``We hope viewers enjoy the movie,'' said News Director Jennifer Rigby. ``But we don't want the concerns of the movie to carry over into their real lives.''


-- (spin@city.tv), November 17, 1999.

Well, that should be interesting. Why do I get the feeling that their so-called "Y2K Reality Check" is more likely to be a "Y2K Bullshit Check"?

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 17, 1999.

Remember: Most disaster movies portray a situation that is unlikely to ever effect Joe Blow, and which would involve making a long term, major life altering decision to avoid. This is NOT the case here, it shows Joe that this issue DOES involve him, and he can do something about it if he... could... only... get... off... the... couch.

Remember: Joe's current knowledge of Y2K will AT MOST be that some guy in a suit, wasn't he a banker or something, said something about it. What was it he said? Something about a storm? And didn't Clinton say it was going to be OK? Or was that medicare? Dunno.

The best result is that over the next two weeks, Joe Blow steadily buys two weeks worth of food, because there may JUST be the time and the supply to re-distribute this much before Y2K.

The worst result is that every Joe in the country decides that it's all bullshit, but he'd better pop out and buy big, NOW, "just in case". After all, what's he got to lose, he was going to buy it anyway, and he'd better get it now in case the other dumb Joe Blows actually believe that Commie Y2K shit.

It would only take one picture of an empty shelf and a bit of irresponsible reporting (gee, THAT'S unlikely) to spark a panic.

But I'm now inclined to believe that the most LIKELY result is that Joe will watch it, drink a few beers, mutter "Dumb Commies" at all the littles Joes shown rioting in the streets, identify with Chad Hero (who won't have prepped), go to bed, fall asleep on top of Mrs Joe and forget all about it. He may buy an extra tin of beans. He may not.

I guess we'll find out by next Friday.

-- Colin MacDonald (roborogerborg@yahoo.com), November 17, 1999.


Viewers will be told repeatedly: ``This program is a purely fictional thriller. The characters and situations are not based on fact. This program does not suggest or imply that any of these events could actually occur.''

Can we launch a class action suit if any of these 'events' do come to pass?? And which experts will they be using to reassure the populace that everything's OK?

Sounds to me as though TPTB are getting concerned...

-- Midas (midas_mulligan_2000@yahoo.com), November 17, 1999.

A "crawler" at the bottom of the screen.....

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.... it's only a bad dream.... Go back to sleep now, PLEASE....

Excuse me a moment....


There, I feel SO much better now.

Now, repeat after me, er, THEM....

Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm... Three day storm...

Now, don't you feel better? Everything's back in order. You will be oooooookaaaaaaaayyyyyy.... Don't THINK... Just go out there and KEEP THE ECONOMY ROLLING!!

44 days. Makes ya wanna retch, doesn't it?

-- Dennis (djolson@cherco.net), November 17, 1999.

Just to show how much the sheeple have their heads in the sand, I ran a little test. In December 1998, I gave a Y2K talk to an office of about 30 people. I laid out all the possibilities, gave them over 300 pages of supporting documentation, and directed them to places to learn more. Basically they had all the right info and I made sure they "Got it" before I left.

I called the office last week and asked about their Y2K preps. The person I spoke with said they were all set. "Good" I thought, then I asked him about his Y2K Pantry. "We always have extra food in the house." "Enough for Seven days or more?" "No he said, You know there won't be any problems." "What about firewood?" "We only burn those funny logs - our fireplace is only for decoration." "You know" he said, "The Govt says there will be no problems with Y2K - its all fixed now." I gave up trying to break through the spin at this point.

So it seems that even people with all the answers in front of them can also DGI due to Govt Spin.

-- ExCop (yinadral@juno.com), November 17, 1999.

If there's a chance that people might come poking around the net after that movie, we should try very hard to fill the day afters threads with good hard prep info and links.

-- kritter (kritter@adelphia.net), November 17, 1999.

Say Kritter, can I post a thread that says:


Got rope, will travel? I wish I could post a photo of our President's Y2K Bug, Beanie Baby collection. I'll bet they're just cute as heck.

-- Will continue (farming@home.com), November 17, 1999.


Once the Y2K movie has come and gone the pollys will be back laughing at you because you all claimed this would be the wake-up call for the herd and the stores are still stocked. ha ha ha

BUT most of the doomers I see are predicting the herd will sleep through this. True, a small percentage might suddenly "get it" but not nearly enough to cause any major disruption in supply chains.

I've seen this happen before. At the doomer chatroom I use to hang at everyone understood that 9/9/99 was actually 09/09/99 and no one expected any problems. Yet pollys still came and asked what happened to the chaos we had predicted.

They will be here after the movie to ask where is the panic the doomers are predicting. So let me beat them to the punch. Where are the doomers who actually predicted it? I think the movie will wake some up but not enough to really notice.

Don't let them goof on you for failed predictions you don't make

-- thomas thatcher (jabawaki@erols.com), November 17, 1999.

Earlier in this thread there was a post referencing a news story: EEI URGES BROADCASTERS: DON'T EXACERBATE Y2K FEARS, SEIZE OPPORTUNITY A quote from that article:

"For the record, we have confidence in the Y2K readiness of the nation's network industries," Brier said. "The electric grid is Y2K-Ready today."

-end quote

But is the grid 'Y2K-Ready' January 1, 2000?

-- (rhetorical@question.com), November 17, 1999.

Fortunately or unfortunately depends on what angle your looking from, I have to say yet again the sleepers won't awaken. Like KOS I keep seeing articles or reports that I think "Oh wow, when this surfaces the panic will start. I have been waiting from mid year thinking "any day now" but alas it never happens. Of course will go last minute shopping before the movie starts "Just in case".

-- Silver Star (MarkingTime@inBack40.com), November 17, 1999.

I've given up predictions, but MegaDude's scenario sounds plausible to me. Give it a few days. Seeing a subject in a movie legitimizes the conversation, and that might be all we need.

-- bw (home@puget.sound), November 17, 1999.

The movie will be on later this evening...

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), November 21, 1999.

It was interesting to listen to my local (music) radio station talk about the t.v. film. They gave a nice disclaimer quoting some official group that had apparently stated that people who regularly research this issue have come to the conclusion that y2k is not an issue anymore and NO PREPARATION, AT ALL, IS NEEDED......

-- anon (anon@anon.calm), November 21, 1999.

The local NBC affiliate just had a story on the 6 PM news about the movie. They too plan to have experts afterwards on the 11 PM news to discuss it.

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), November 21, 1999.

This reminds of the "The Day After".

We waited for it for weeks and then saw the movie and after the movie they had this call-in type of show (I think it was ABC).

For weeks after people talked about it. For several years people who experienced a devastating loss would say "It looked like the Day After" when referring to a fire or blast or something.

Couple more hours..... we will see....

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), November 21, 1999.

As someone noted the other day...

Just read the news story out this morning "Y2K A Bust" slamming NBC's movie. There was another slam story a few days ago. Just ask yourself one simple question.

When was the last time you saw any reviews, good or bad, of a made- for-TV movie before it aired (or after it aired for that matter)?

-- Pete (pberry1_98@yahoo.com), November 18, 1999.

Probably not since "The Day After" about 15 years ago.

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), November 21, 1999.

Only a couple of minutes now till the movie comes on.

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), November 21, 1999.

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