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I have just finished watching the vidio WACO- the Rules of Engagement. A vidio by William Gazecki. It is a comilation of interviews, senate hearing and FBI video. Those men, women and children were tortured amd murdered by the FBI and military personel. The same military that may be deployed come December-January. If you think I am nuts, you watch the vidio and then decide for yourself. A year ago I thought that chemtrails were just part of my sister paranoia, But they started spraying here again in the last couple of weeks. I can walk out my front door and watch. First there is a huge X in the sky and then the planes fly back and forth leaving these trails in paralell lines. These trails hang in the sky and then spread out unitll a cloud covers or blankets out area, at least as far a I can see. I have been very ill since they started, upper respiratory irritation too. The spraying stopped yesterday, possilby due to the fact that a Navy ship (crusier class) is visiting our bay this weekend. Since they stopped spraying my sinuses have cleared up and the irritation is almost gone, I mean the very next day. We live in an agricultual area (well it is nearby)and when I saw the planes spraying it reminded me of how they "cropdust" the fields nearby. It wil be intersting to see if they resume the spraying when the Navy ship leaves. So if you wonder why the lack of information from the Government about y2k, well I believe now that there is more to it than just their desire to stop any type of panic (at the Banks). There is an international demonstration against the spraying In New York, on the 20th of this month. Let's see if the "media" covers this. So now some or many of you think I am a nut, but investigate for yourself, like I did. And then, decide for yourself. All my prayers for all us, in the days to come. me

-- me (, November 13, 1999



Where can I get a copy of the video you mentioned?

-- Scarlett (, November 13, 1999.

Couple of things: The documentary "Waco: The Rules Of Engagement" is available from many sources, here's how to get via 38/qid%3D942508634/102-6995916-1814461

The cost is a little over $20. I would encourage those who have not seen the film to rent it from you local video store. Many rental stores where I live carry it.

Next, never attribute to conspiracy, what is more easily explained through greed and a lust for power. The government does not want you dead. The government is indifferent. But what some key individuals in the government do not want is your participation in the democratic process. It makes their lives simpler if you'd just sit down and be quiet.

As I was reminded by a forum participant after returning from a recent trip to Maine where I found some of the locals less than friendly, it is not a good idea to paint with too broad of a brush. Not everyone in Iowa is friendly either.

As another example, my brother has worked for the US government for a great many years. While it's true that I'm biased, I'm not blind. My brother attempts to do the best job he can within the constraints of his organization. He is a strong beliver in the US Constitution and the democratic process. When people paint the entire government as corrupt, I remember my brother and know that they are using too broad of a brush.

Are there corrupt individuals? Yes. Are there conspiracies of silence? Yes. Is the media manipulated by governments and PR organizations? YEs. But let us not throw out the baby with the bathwater.

-- Arnie Rimmer (, November 13, 1999.


[reproduced for educational and discussion purposes only]

Germ war cloud floated over shire counties

Area from Yeovil to Guildford secretly sprayed in 1950s as Porton Down tried to counter feared Soviet biological attack in cold war

Rob Evans Tuesday November 2, 1999 The Guardian

The names of a string of towns and villages from Yeovil to Guildford which were secretly sprayed in large-scale germ warfare experiments in the 1950s can today be revealed in newly released documents.

Wiltshire, Hampshire, Berkshire, Dorset, Somerset and Surrey were the main areas for the trials conducted from the chemical and biological warfare establishment at Porton Down, Wiltshire. The trials are now the subject of an official inquiry by an independent scientist.

The ministry of defence has conceded that the chemical spray could have been harmful and agreed earlier this year to set up the inquiry to establish whether the trials caused any illnesses among the public.

It will be the second inquiry into the panoply of trials during which the chemical spray and bacteria were covertly dispersed over huge swathes of Britain during the cold war.

Scientists from Porton Down sought to determine how vulnerable Britain was to biological attack and to find ways of protecting the country.

Matthew Taylor, the Liberal Democrat MP for Truro and St Austell, said yesterday: "It is astounding that the government could expose British people, who knew nothing for decades, to possible harm in these trials. It is ironic that this was done in the cause of defending the country. It was as if whole chunks of the country had been turned into an experimental laboratory."

Porton is also being investigated by police over its gas chamber experiments on human "guinea pigs" and the death of a young serviceman in a nerve gas test.

The new batch of documents - released to Mr Taylor by Porton - detail how the scientists began the trials in 1953. They were worried that the Russians could disseminate a cloud of deadly germs over massive tracts of Britain from a ship or plane.

To assess how far such a cloud would float over the country, Porton scientists decided to disperse a marker chemical - known as zinc cadmium sulphide - to simulate the path of these clouds.

These fluorescent particles could be traced and counted at numerous sampling points.

In the first trial in November 1953 the chemical was sprayed in an arc from a disused RAF station near Beaulieu in Hampshire northwards for up to 50 miles over Winchester towards Newbury, Berkshire, and Devizes, Wiltshire.

In March 1954, the chemical was again sprayed from Beaulieu, but this time over Shaftesbury and Blandford, Dorset, to Yeovil, Somerset, 50 miles away.

This trial was repeated a month later, although this time the compound was emitted from Porton itself.

In May 1954, Porton scientists released the zinc cadmium sulphide from an RAF base near Yatesbury, Wiltshire, southwards over Warminster, Shaftesbury and Blandford. The sampling points were erected in lines 25 miles away between Salisbury and Mere, Wiltshire, and 50 miles away between Hurn and Cerne Abbas, Dorset.

Two months later, the chemical was dispersed from RAF Hullavington near Chippenham, Wiltshire, eastwards, with the lines of samplers placed firstly in a line 25 miles away near Hungerford, Berkshire and then 50 miles away between Pangbourne and Basingstoke in Hampshire.

A week later, the chemical was sprayed over 80 miles. A generator was towed along a road near Frome, Somerset, while it spewed out the chemical for an hour. Thirty miles away, sampling machines between Salisbury and Marlborough, Wiltshire, were used to monitor the cloud. Another line of samplers had been positioned near Guildford in Surrey, between Ottershaw and Selsey Bill on the Sussex coast.

The experiments changed tack in 1955. On six occasions, Porton scientists disseminated large quantities of the chemical for 25 miles around their establishment so that RAF planes could fly through the clouds and measure their progress. Sampling equipment fitted on to vehicles also tracked the particles on roads around Wiltshire.

From 1956, the trials were greatly expanded as military planes began to spray large amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide around the country.

It was revealed last year that in at least 12 trials in the late 1950s, these planes flew long distances - usually 250 miles - along the coast, dropping the chemical which then drifted miles inland.

In one trial, zinc cadmium sulphide was discharged from a plane from Cornwall to Sussex. Samples of the cloud were collected throughout south-west and central England, parts of Wales, and as far as Yorkshire.

Scientists wanted to see if it was possible to hit a specific target, Coventry, with the particles. Virtually every region in England and Wales was blanketed with the chemical at one time or another in these tests.

The MoD has now conceded that since the end of the trials, "doubts" about the safety of zinc cadmium sulphide have arisen.

The ministry argued that the compound was "probably harmless" and "probably caused no human illness", but set up the inquiry to settle the matter.

A ministry spokeswoman said the MoD had had difficulty finding a scientist with the right expertise to head the inquiry.

An earlier inquiry has already been conducted into another set of germ warfare trials. In the 1960s and 1970s, micro-organisms were sprayed extensively over populated parts of Dorset, Hampshire and Devon, triggering protests from residents when they were revealed two years ago.

The inquiry by an Oxford university microbiologist, Brian Spratt, concluded last January that the trials were unlikely to have harmed the overwhelming majority of healthy residents, but a small number of vulnerable, or already sick people could have suffered infections.

) Copyright Guardian Media Group plc. 1999


-- John Whitley (, November 13, 1999.

thanks Arnie for the info about the tape. I think the lust for greed and power is the conspiracy, and those that have it will do whatever it takes to keep it and get more of it. Did not mean to disparage your brother or any of those that are doing their best. I may have used too broad a brush. But, after watching the video, I was truely heartsick and disparing. me

-- me (, November 13, 1999.

re: chemtrails. I have never seen these- but i live in a very rural area with a small population. It would be interesting to know if those that have seen these live in areas with large population numbers only, or if also those in very rural areas have seen them too. It could be interesting to know this. We DO have flight paths that go way overhead, but just see normal looking contrails thus far.

-- farmer (, November 13, 1999.

Farmer -

I posted this week that we spent the last couple of weeks watching 'chemtrails' here in northern Wisc., on Lake Superior. Closest pop. center is Duluth, MN, a couple of hours to the west. These planes were very high so the possibility exists, I suppose, that, given wind conditions etc, the "stuff" (whatever it may be) is not meant to land here. Don't know anything really, except that they were up there, that they are NOT normal contrails, that there are very few flight patterns over this area normally. The trails often crisscrossed and took a LONG time to dissipate (and hour or longer sometimes). They appeared to be double trails from each plane and spread out signifiicantly as they hung there. VERY WEIRD. On one occation when they seemed closest, I thought I could taste and feel someting in the back of my throat and sinuses. And people have been sick around here lately, with respiratory ailments.

We've had very windy and/or overcast conditions for 2 or 3 days so havn't seen them since.

-- cat (, November 13, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr (pic), near Monterey, California

I thought I could taste and feel someting in the back of my throat and sinuses.

I've thought this, too. It's very hard to describe. Like nothing I've ever smelled before, yet I will know that smell if I smell it again. Burned bandaids?

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), November 14, 1999.

sorrey this isnot an answer.But in chester calif, we have spraying almostdayly and I am getting sever head ackes I think becouse of it please let me know if any thing can be done thaks Dale mothershead po box 1855 chester ca 96020

-- Dale mothershead (, February 11, 2002.

You are delusional dale. Go to your doctor and get fitted for a tinfoil hat. That is all...

-- Y2K Pro (, February 13, 2002.

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