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I have just heard the following from two individuals who I believe to be very much on the up and up.

1) Long time guard member in IN has stated they are training for civil action at the expense of all other normal training.

2) Man from WV a depressed area has stated that local reserve members are being offered an offer that is hard to refuse. Salary of 115K free of federal tax to activate and report to large training bases. Are not being told what assignment to expect.

2)Also a rumor is spreading on the net and SW that a new EO # 13142 is in existance that nationalizes the NG. Rumor further states that NG will be used to confiscate guns which will be returned in the 1st quarter of 2000. Confiscation to begin on Dec. 1st.

Item three I am fence sitting on as to trutgfullness. Items 1 and 2 I believe. Please try to confirm from your local NG. Please note that some NG are not robust and may not be aware. Take precautions to hide guns with no paper trail. Also buy ammo now if you need more. There seems to be to many ducks standing up side by side.

-- Ed (ed@lizzardranch.com), November 12, 1999



Did I read this correctly?

"Man from WV a depressed area has stated that local reserve members are being offered an offer that is hard to refuse. Salary of 115K free of federal tax to activate and report to large training bases. Are not being told what assignment to expect."

I live in a very well to do area but for that kind of money my bags are packed. Sounds like your source has been dippin' into the shine barrel.

-- Truth (at@the.ready), November 12, 1999.

#1 - Maybe.

#2 - Not likely.

#3 - Pull the other one.

-- PKM (.@...), November 12, 1999.

115k tax free? Sounds great! But if they send anybody out to confiscate guns they'll never make it to the first paycheck. They can't begin to have tanks enough for the job, and that is what it would take.

Quick reality check time, Ed. Anybody on a door-to-door like that would be lucky to make it to lunch, let alone payday.

Your #'s 2 and 3 sound silly to me.

If #1 is true then good for them, it might come in handy soon.

-- Gus (y2kk@usa.net), November 12, 1999.

P.S. Rumor-mongering to the effect that "they're going to start confiscating the guns on XXX (date)" has been around since at least the early 1970's. I have often wondered if it was being promulgated by fearful gun owners - or by a government intent on scaring the bejeezus out of fearful gun owners.

I would advise anyone to believe little of what they read on the net, and almost none of what is heard on the so-called "patriot" shortwave radio stations... kooks as well as kook theories are the norm, rather than the exception.

-- PKM (.@...), November 12, 1999.

If you own a registered gun, how are you supposed to "hide with no paper trail"?

-- (pistol@packing.mama), November 12, 1999.

Talked to a Captain in the NG doen here in Texas. Hasn't heard ANYTHING in regard to y2k for his unit. Heavy Armor though. Doubt they would use those kind of troops.

1) Maybe

2) B.S.

3) I got a ocean front property in New Mexico for you...

-- STFrancis (STFrancis@heaven.com), November 12, 1999.

$115,000? each? per year?

Somebody's got way to much money to spend -- or too much imagination.

$11,500 would be closer to West Virginia scale. Unemployment is high there.

-- Tom Carey (tomcarey@mindspring.com), November 13, 1999.

Ed, your "up and up" friends sound stoned or paraniod.

I am a 15 year member of the California Army National Guard with 7 years previous Active Army experience. I also work for the Guard full time at a maintenance shop and run my own contracting business on the side. I have a BSBA and I'm a registered Libertarian.

1. The current plan here is to have 2 Quick Reaction Force Brigades of 600 soldiers each available for Y2K disruptions. 1 for L.A. and San Diego areas and one for the the Bay Area and Sacramento. The first set of 1,200 will be on duty starting on 30 Dec 99 thru 2 Jan 00 and on stand-by for the remainder of the week. Each weekend in January a different set of units will be selected to make up the Quick Reaction Force which will remain on standby during the week and ready at their respective armories on weekends. All participating units will be required to undergo 16 hours of Crowd Control training and each soldier will be required to sign signifying his understanding of the Rules of Engagement prior to deployment. Our mission is to protect the lives and property of the citizens of California. Maybe California is slow, but so far there have been no other detractors due to Y2K from regular training. 2. As far as paying Guardsman $115,000 (tax free - now you're really kidding) you should know that after 22 years of service I net $233.64 per weekend drill (I drive 180 miles each way due to a lack of E-6 positions in my area). I've worked fires, floods, snow removal and the LA Riots. Didn't get rich off of any of them. Hell, they haven't even had enough money for parts to keep our trucks rolling for the past five years. If somebody is offering that kind of money, it's not comming from the Guard's budget. People don't join the National Guard or any military service for money, but to serve their country.

3. As for Guardsmen confiscating weapons in response to an executive order all I can say is it "'ain't gonna happen". First off, your average "citizen soldier" is more highly educated, older, more likely to have a family and ties in his community than is Active Army counterpart. He knows when an order is unconstitutional. For the martial law actions that you "noids" are spreading rumors about to become reality, the president would have to have the unwavering respect and support of the military, both active and reserve. Frankly, our Commander in Heat has done little to earn either. Please don't worry about your neighbor's in the National Guard. Unless you're comming out a broken shop window with a new TV in your arms, you have little to fear from me.

-- SSG Ken LaVine (klavine@tco.net), November 13, 1999.

"Intel" alert... what the hell is this?

I thought you were going to announce that they were releasing a Pentium IV chip or something!

-- Hawk (flyin@high.again), November 13, 1999.

Here is a tid bit from last May

All States (Log Number 199-0064) DoD Year 2000 (Y2K) Support to Civil Authorities

at http://www.ca-arng.ngb.army.mil/milpo/command/emergenc.htm

If the shit hits the fan, it won't be the National Guard you see on your street. Will it happen? I don't know. Are they thinking about it? You bet.

-- Pete (pberry1_98@yahoo.com), November 13, 1999.


Sorry about the link mix up. (The other link was something else).

Here is the correct link to the DoD memo.


Also, to clarify, the memo is dated as February. The received stamp is from May.

-- Pete (pberry1_98@yahoo.com), November 13, 1999.

SSG Ken LaVine (klavine@tco.net), THANK YOU FOR POSTING !!

Hope you are right all the way around.

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), November 13, 1999.

Ashton & Leaka in Cascadia, As a 6 mo. lurker here I have a feel for who you are. Thank you for your positive manner towards my husband, Ken Lavine. He is trying to help, not incite. I have read everything he has said on the Guard. Belive me as it shapes our lives. This is true. Probably a good thing to have on alert for three weekends in Jan. 2000. Everyone has been asking about contingincy plans for the year that I have been "G.I."... Here it is! Thank you, Hatti

-- Hatti (klavine@tco.com), November 13, 1999.

Ed, I have been reading your various posts for a while now and must tell you how disappointing this post is. You should think it through prior to putting this kind of foolishness on the board and subject yourself to certain ridicule. Now, your future posts will be tainted and you will be branded as delusional. Why the Intel Alert heading? Were you suggesting that this was TS privileged info from governmental sources? In conclusion I would like to thank Ken Lavine for giving us some straight skinny and debunking the bullshit. My preparations for Y2K have been completed now I think Ill get ready for the lunatic fringe. That is the greatest threat.

-- Truth (at@the.ready), November 13, 1999.


As I said items 1 and 2 I believe. Item 3 have yet to see any proof of. Others are looking and have not found proof. I do know that item 2 sounds shakey to say the least, however in the 70's when I was in the military the government was offering 75K to combat experienced to do off the books assignments with no official link to the government.

Recruitement was thru obscure publications, read SOF, a mag. or rag I myself do not care much for.

Do I think there will be an attempt to remove guns from the citizens, yes, absolutely. How or when I don't know. Please understand I do not mean to offend any NG and I do not fear them. In our rural area we know the senior NG folks as well as police and sherrifs. Part of our family income has come from local law enforcement. If my post seems off the wall you sure don't want to talk to our recently retired police chief.

In our neck of the woods NG and law enforcement absolutely would not enforce gun confiscation. Your neck of the woods might be different though.

-- Ed (ed@lizzardranch.com), November 13, 1999.


Thanks for your rational response and additional input. Although your scenarios #2 and #3 seem somewhat far-fetched I will agree that the NG is training for crowd control and civil unrest. Given the state of our current society, this would be prudent if not necessary.

I left the military in 1966 and can confirm that mercenary recruitment was extremely active for the next 20 years or so (thats when I lost interest :). Yes, the good old SOF mag was the classified section and many a hard man found gainful employment in such garden spots as Angola, and other such countries. There is no doubt in my mind that a good deal of this activity was initiated and sponsored by certain USGOV agencies, clandestinely of course. But to suggest that the NG is recruiting for some sort of domestic insurgency is hard to swallow. To further suggest that they are offering that kind of money is to choke on. BTW, I wonder how many of you Mil types remember a little bar on Van Ness near Lombard in SF that doubled as the merc employment center for so many years? Ramos Fizzes, AKs, and the Piano Player in the sky.

Now, as far as the government planning to take our weapons Ill ask you how they could accomplish this? Just not going to happen!

-- Truth (at@the.ready), November 13, 1999.

This is a great thread. Even funnier than the recent one where Maria sets her hair on fire. Even the believable parts of this one (600 NG to police San Diego AND LA) are hilarious.

Great job guys!

-- a (a@a.a), November 13, 1999.

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