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Wednesday, November 10, 1999

Neighbours shaken by arsenal find

By KIM BRADLEY, EDMONTON SUN Two aggressive, barking dogs tied up outside a trailer where cops found an arsenal of weapons were all that used to make neighbours nervous about the home.

That all changed, said neighbour Wilfred Nettnay, after people heard what RCMP seized from the Sylvan Lake trailer on Sunday.

"My brother-in-law went to the garbage dumpster and the dogs came running over, barking at him. My brother-in-law told the guy to shut his dogs up or else," he said. "Now we know with all that stuff, this place could have been levelled after that. It's like a wakeup call. You can never be too certain of your neighbours."

"I couldn't believe there was a house full of dynamite so close to my house," said Sandra, a mother of two who didn't want her last name printed. "I didn't like him before because he kept his dogs too close to the dumpster ... now I have a better reason. We're feeling fortunate we didn't blow up. What if there was a fire there?"

Const. Harry Ingram, assisting the Innisfail RCMP in a domestic assault case, arrested three people Sunday after he noticed a man outside the trailer was wearing a holstered gun.

Cops recovered from the trailer a homemade bazooka, a taser, sawed-off shotguns, crossbows, pipebombs, 70 kg of dynamite, underground bunker plans, gas masks, bullet-proof vests, bomb materials, and a gun made from a motorcycle's handlebars. The dogs - a pitbull puppy and a collie-cross - were also seized.

The resident, out on $200 bail on an unrelated incident, told police he believed there was a contract on his life. He told his friends previously he was concerned about the possible Y2K computer problems.

Gordon McGown, general manager of MilArm Co. Ltd. in Edmonton, said he's had several people come into his shop in the last year to buy items to prepare for the millennium.

But each time someone suggests they need to buy a gun for the occasion, he talks them out of it.

"It's ordinary people who are worried about the power going out, buying military-style, freeze-dried meals and camp stoves," he said. "I advise against buying guns. We don't want to encourage the 'Protect what's mine' attitude."

Police spokesman Sgt. Bryan Boulanger said people don't need to hoard anything for Y2K except common sense. "There is no doubt people are hoarding weapons for Y2K, or at least they are using it as an excuse to," he said.

Jasen Valimaki, 27, is charged with several offences related to the weapons and is to be in Red Deer court this morning.

His mother, Maria Valimaki, 44, and his cousin, Kevin MacKay, 38, are also charged.

-- Homer Beanfang (Bats@inbellfry.com), November 10, 1999

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sounds like a setup,part of the demonization of gun owners,militias and Y2K preparers in one foul swoop

-- gone (nwo@coming.soon), November 10, 1999.

---yep, just goes to show, don't live in the socialist peoples paradise of canada, and for heavens sake, please don't plan on protecting yourself if you live there, that why they have the mounties! cuz everyone knows, only trained police and military can have guns! ROFLMAO--the stoopid dogs gave him away! pitbulls! hahahahahahahaha you guys up in nanook land got dumb bubbas, too! pitbulls and fitin chikkens go hand in hand! look around fer big ole cluckers chained to a 55 gallon barrel tipped on it's side! thas another clue! more hahahahahahah

moral of story, don't have all your "stock" all in one place!

second moral, and here's where that spokesweezel was right, don't accumulate firearms unless you plan on getting the big picture of what they are for, and when and how to use em, and you get training in them. Firearms ownership is serious business, not to be taken lightly. And stay away from pitbulls and other assorted macho breeds, too....plenty of nice mutts out there that will do the same job of alerting you, without whizzin off the neighbors and making you stand out in the 'hood!

zog the preparer

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 10, 1999.

What's wrong with the 'Protect what's mine' attitude"?

Has the world gone insane?

-- you bet (I'll protect@what's.mine), November 10, 1999.

"I advise against buying guns. We don't want to encourage the 'Protect what's mine' attitude."

Wow.

-- Clyde (clydeblalock@hotmail.com), November 10, 1999.

I've seen a great many 'Y2K preparedness lists'. I don't ever recall seeing dynamite as one of those 'must have' items. So I went back and checked my own list. Nope. No dynamite there either.

Oh well, it's probably far too late at this point. Panic buying has probably all but eliminated the dynamite supply. Guess I just have to get by without it...

-- Arnie Rimmer (Arnie_Rimmer@usa.net), November 10, 1999.

Hey Zogg...You forgot the signs on the gate that read, "Insurance Not Needed. Protected by 357!"

-- big ole texan (bigclucker@hotmail.com), November 10, 1999.

154 pounds of dynamite... Damn! Thats about 300 sticks, if memory serves. Now dynamite has this property that it sweats if it is not kept in a cool place. It sweats nitro... Oh, yeah! That's a great thing to store next door... That wasn't a protect my own attitude, that was just plain stupid.

-- (...@.......), November 10, 1999.

...so, I wonder which of you Tinfoils won't be posting here anymore?

-- Y2K Pro (y2kpro1@hotmail.com), November 10, 1999.

http://207.227.32.27/dial911anddie.htm

-- Jewboy (jewboy@prds.com), November 10, 1999.

OH SHIT, I forgot to stockpile dynamite , God I knew I forgot sumthin

-- gloom and boom (trailer@trash.not), November 10, 1999.

Damn. I knew I forgot something. I guess I'll just have to make do with the flamethrower and hope for the best.

-- I'm Here, I'm There (I'm Everywhere@so.beware), November 10, 1999.

Hey Zog,

Looks like you've been brainwashed by the media in your own way. Having owned American Pit Bull Terriers over the last 17 years I can say I'd never have another breed. Pitfights? Never done it. Mangled children? Never happened (in fact, mine has raised 4 shavers, 2 from birth. Neighborhood kids? They love him). Cock fights? Can't say I've ever done one or been to one- maybe that memory is just foggy. Tough, you bet, but as author Vicki Hearne states- " It is true enough that pit bulls grab and hold on- but what they most often grab and refuse to let go of is your heart, not your arm." However, and here's where your 'any old mutt will do' theory falls apart, Zog- DON'T come crawling through any of OUR open windows at night! (Oh, and by the way, to fit your stereotype: If'n ya do get past him, then all ur gonna hafta contend with are my ax handle, or, 9mm, or 357, or 44 Mag. After that, its all your'n!) Enjoy your day.

-- Southern Partisan (glf_redeemed@hotmail.com), November 11, 1999.

---southern partisan, to clarify-I am NOT a predator-2-I agree that pitbull owners are more to blame for the bad press than the breed itself. there are good owners and bad owners. My point on breeds is owning one of the nastier(tougher, stronger, etc.) breeds just makes you stand out more in your neighborhood, with all the bad press that has been disseminated. I've never been to a dog fight or a cockfight, but being southern myself, you must admit that any casual inquiries will locate you a venue where such activities take place. it's just reality in the south. You know it, I know, the local cops who are hired to provide security at the fights know it. It's all over, no telling how many places offer these outrageous "sports". And, unfortunately, for better or worse, pitbulls are used quite a bit in this. It's sad, too. I've seen too many reports on television where some slob got arrested for methedrine(crank or speed) production, other drug dealing, car chop shop or theft rings, etc, and when they show the house, it usually has dogs, and they are usually pitbulls. It sucks, but there ya go. It's like firearms ownership and use. High profile badguys give everyone a bad name. wether guns or dogs, misuse can and does take place. To my mind, having pitbulls around is a big advertisement for two things-the "man" is going to really look at you, and 2-the neighbors will have no hesitation in suing should they get the chance. Personally, I have no prejudice against any breed, but I would say i prefer mutts as pets. I have no need for attack or guard dogs. or dogs that even appear to be attack or guard dogs. Others do, and that's totally fine. Obviously you do, so, swell, have them! No problemskis. different breeds of dogs have been developed over the years for different purposes, and of course, all can be pets. some dogs no matter what the breed are just plain mean, some are sweet, most are in between, like most humans are, or horse, or whatever. At least that's been my experience. Circumstances are different for all. No big deal. And once again, in the entire time and thousands of posts I've written on the net, I have not one time indicated I had any interest in being any sort of predator on my fellow citizens, so I'm not sure where you got that idea, and I have no interest in "climbing in your window" or whatever. Besides that, we both love the south, and wish to protect her from any more federal aggression or harm. zog

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 11, 1999.