OT - Example of spin re: Gun Control

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And people wonder why we don't beleive Clinton in regard to Y2K reports. And he's probably just repeating what he heard from a sound bite on the Stupid Ray Emitter (AKA: TV). This is why I can forgive Y2K Pro for regurgitating such nonsense as "30,000 kids were killed last year by handguns".

Yale Professor Challenges Clinton on Gun Violence Claim By Ben Anderson CNS Staff Writer 05 November, 1999

(CNSNews.com) - President Clinton this week claimed once again that "13 of our kids get shot every day, killed every day," but a Yale University law professor said the president's rhetoric is "extremely misleading."

In the aftermath of two consecutive public shootings, Clinton was asked during a Rose Garden appearance this week if such incidents have "become something fundamental and inevitable in American life, or is there something that can be done to alter the dynamic?"

"Well, I think there are a lot of things that can be done," Clinton answered. "But let me say, if you go back over the last 20 years, we have had periodic outbursts of shootings where more than one person was killed. But let's not forget, 13 of our kids get shot every day, killed every day."

Depending on what the meaning of the word "kid" is.

"This is something the Clinton Administration has been saying for years," said Yale University Law Professor John R. Lott, Jr. "It's pretty outrageous. I don't know that I'd call it an outright lie, but I would say it's extremely misleading."

"The number (Clinton) is using refers to all guns, not just handguns, and they're injuries relating to all individuals under 20 years of age," Lott said in a telephone interview with CNSNews.com. "This includes murders, accidental gun deaths, suicides and justifiable homicides. It includes any gun deaths."

Lott said Clinton often makes the claim about 13 kids being shot every day and uses the claim to justify mandatory trigger locks. "What gun locks are going to stop gang members from using guns?" Lott asks.

If we're going to get national news coverage bombarded for two people who died (Wednesday) in the horrible incident in Seattle, I can give you several cases where the uses of guns have saved two people," Lott said.

But the defensive use of guns gets no national media coverage, Lott lamented, pointing to three incidents in Atlanta where victims used guns to successfully defend themselves against their attackers.

Those incidents went uncovered in the national media, Lott said, while the tragedy of a gunman opening fire in a day-trading office took center stage and captured the nation's attention for days.

Watch six and keep your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.not), November 05, 1999



Did you ever hear about the woman (38 or so, I think a lawyer) in Luby's Cafeteria? She was a registered gun owner, and had a permit to carry. Her gun was in her car's glovebox, but sine Texas law forbid bringing a gun into a public establishment she could not have it on her person. Well, you know the story... 20 dead, from that guy with an ak-47. This woman said she was sure she had a chance to take that guy out, had she had access to her gun. But instead she had to sit there and do nothing, and moments later both her Mom and Dad had been shot to death.

The 2nd amendment is by far the first among equals, and we need to do everything possible to stop this willingness of society to give back their self defense. Just yesterday, here in Atlanta, Bill Cambell (?, sorry if that is a mistake) instituted another gun buy back program, 50$ for any gun no questions asked. I hear it did very well.

-- (hkasporav@mindsping.com), November 05, 1999.

--much as I dislike the media in atlanta, at least yesterday they provided a postive example of firearms being used in self defense. Channel 2 reported about a pawnshop owner who nailed a would-be robber with a shotgun. The bad news is that the store owner was a terrible shot, and only a few bb's or buckshot hit the robber, and he escaped. but still, it was reported. For all you new y2k survivalists and new gun owners out there, think about this. Close range, inside a small store. Only a few or a couple bb's hit....this is called "stress", and boy, it makes everyone a lousy shot, everyone. Get thee to the range regularly for training, then get out into some open areas for some more realistic training at odd ranges and angles. Please learn the firearm of your choice inside and out, how to clear jams, load under stress, and to fire with either hand are some of the techniques you MUST learn. Just buying one and sticking it in your stash and crossing something off your stock up list isn't enough. I would recommend as a minimum a hunter safety class. This will at least teach some basic safety and use. Will do you no harm, it will help, all areas have these classes, and it's cheap. Work up in your skill level from there. Another thing, for most "social" circumstances, careful aiming at paper targets isn't going to cut the mustard, you must learn what's called "instinctive" or "point" shooting. This will save your a$$-ets a lot more than static distance range shooting practice will. Good luck and better skill zog

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 05, 1999.

>>> point shooting

Zog, I respect your points. However, except at ranges within 7 feet, I'd advocate sighted fire every time. With sufficient training, many people can become both fast and accurate.

-- Count Vronsky (vronsky@anna.lit), November 05, 1999.

---howdy count! glad i checdked this before i slipped out. her's my take on that--instinctive shooting, as i learned it, IS aiming, it's just done with both eyes open and taking in the big picture as rapidly as possible. I learned it with the "quick skill" method back when i was a kid. In some situations, they who get off first will prevail. there is no hard and fast rule for situations, it's always different. I do agree that "sight aiming" is one of many firearms skills. In a tense situation, however, at close range, I believe that instinctive shooting will work out better. this deal is really a matter of taste, rather than one idea is better than the other. Instinctive shooting is a much higher skill level, I agree, but one to strive for. There is no replacement for muscle memory and practice. we are both right.

-- zog (zzoggy@yahoo.com), November 05, 1999.

"Gun control isn't about guns, it's about Control."

The Fascists in the Democratic/Liberal/Socialist side of the country refuse for even one minute to realize what their fumble fingered attempts at social experimentation may wreak apon the future. To quote Jefferson, (Thomas, not George) "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."

For too long have we allowed the self-serving, mewling, vomit-inducing left to undermine the founding fathers vision of what government was to be by casting them as the 'White Upper Class Landed-Gentry' with their own selfish reasons for having the 'Right to Bear arms' in the constitution. In reality, our founding fathers had a bit of an Anarchist streak to them. They believed the greatest evil that could befall them or the future, was a tyrannical despotic government much like the one that the socialist liberals have created here today.

If John Hancock or Patrick Henry were to be alive today, how much do you wanna bet that they would forment a revolution?

"You say you wanna revolution....well you know, we all wanna change the world..." John Lennon

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan@Yahoo.com), November 05, 1999.

And to elaborate a little, you should always keep both eyes open when aiming and firing a scoped rifle or handgun. It takes ALOT of practice to feel comfortable, but once you master the skill you'll have a better grouping of shots and you won't limit your peripheral vision and depth perception in your left eye (or right, depending on which side you shoot from).

-- (thats@all.I wanted to say), November 05, 1999.

Gun control laws seldom do much to stop crime. Especially gun registration. The recent Hawaii shooting was a case in point. All 18 of the shooter's guns were registered. That didn't seem to stop him... Yet we hear the predictable calls for more and more gun laws...and see less and less enforcement of existing laws about use of a gun when doing other crimes. In this vein, I recently spent 1 year on a Federal Grand Jury, where we looked at 140 cases. Out of those 140 cases, only one shot was fired (into the air). No one was injured by a firearm.

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), November 05, 1999.

Mayor Cambell offered a $50 buyback for guns in Atlanta. Why the Harris Bipod on my Sendero 300 Win Mag cost more than that.My son has a Red Rider bb gun, maybe I can sell it for the $50 their offering. That would get me another 50 rounds of 3" 000 buck magnum rounds for my M590A1. Oh and I do have food for Y2K also. But I'm still trying to figure out were I can get an H&K 91 cheap.If anyone who sold the Mayor a gun has one I will give them $100 for it. Just e-mail me,no questions asked. I hope it goes well.

-- tj-in Atlanta (tyle@mindspring.com), November 05, 1999.

Try to get some night practice in. Although it will hurt your ears some, shoot a couple of rounds at night without your hearing protection on. That is the most likely shooting scenario.

-- Bill (y2khippo@yahoo.com), November 05, 1999.

Does anyone know if it is a felony or midemeanor in california to take your gun to work? I would like to be able to protect myself and co-workers. Thanks.

-- Protection (Starts@Number.One), November 05, 1999.

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