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GOLDZAHAVGOLD (URGENT!!! CHEROKEE,THIS ON IS FOR YOU :) ID#428141: - I just got this Email from a friend in Texas. Do we have Kitcoites in Texas to report back to us ?

To all, I just received this in tonight's email. It is from a very trusted source. Please share this carefully.

Folks,

I figure I am already a marked man so this NG message is probably moot.

Observed over the last 10 days in Far North Collin County, Texas. Four trains daily on KCS tracks, headed toward Dallas. Final destination unknown ( more on that ) , with the following cargo, at least that I have observed. All painted in Desert Storm tan color, no cammo. No markings whatsoever indiciating they are US ARMY. Only serial numbers but they are not new vehicles. Only markings on the hummers with a "7" and and Arrowhead over it or a "90" with three strokes at a 45 degree angle coming from the 9. NATO designators on some of the fuel trucks. No markings on anything else. I have observed. Not the tanks or anything else. No serial numbers either. And this is used gear.

200 - Hummers 100 - Battle Tanks 50 - Fuel Trucks 100 - Bradley Vehicles 25 - 2500 KW Diesel Power Generators 50 - Mult-Purpose trucks with cranes and loaded to the hilt with tires and tracks 200 - MPT's loaded with 20 foot RR containers. 200 - RR containers on flat bed cars 100 - Fuel trucks 100 - Water Trucks 20 - Flat bed RR cars with electrical wire and poles 5 - Flat bed RR cars with razor wire

There is a siding outside of Princeton Texas where the trains have to wait for oncoming trains. Here's a hit to see where Princeton is located in North Texas.

If it won't load the page, copy & paste one line at a time into your web browser http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&YY=262&addr=100%20main&city=Prince ton&state=TX&slt=33.1540&sln=-96.4929&mag=7&cs=5&newmag=6

By chance today one was stopped at a siding in Princeton, Texas that was fully loaded. Thirty cars long, 4 engines. I stepped out to ask the engineer its final destination. I was told "That's classified". Not two minutes later two unmarked white cars stopped and two "gentlemen in ties and white shirts" asked what I had asked the engineer. I told them "I just had never seen a tank up close and wondered if the train was going someplace close where I could see one. " I played the dumb country boy and left. One older couple stopped to take pictures and they were detained.

One took my license number and a picture of my vehicle and me. But I did the same of them. After searching the plate it turns out the vehicles are with the Pinkerton Agency. Hmmmm...

Oh sure I can understand the need for security when that much military gear is stopped at a siding and people stop and ask questions, but........ There is another siding for KCS in Princeton Texas. Saturday my young nephew ( seven years old ) and I observed a 40 car train with all Bradleys and Tanks. We cut off the main road to go see them as "he thought that would be cool to see a tank up close." Three hummers with 3 men each, spaced 300 meters, and armed with .50 Cal guns on the hummers and autos in hand had set up check points along the siding at the crossings and we just went right past them and carried on.

There is a whole lot of gear moving thru Dallas and I doubt I am probably not the only one to notice. It would not strike me so bad except everything is unmarked. And they are using three to four engines to pull it all..That means it is heavy as hell. KCS would not comment when I called and inquired. In fact they fairly denied they were pulling that freight. Not to mention I could find no useful insignia on the uniforms of the "Safety Patrol". No unit patches of any kind on the uniforms. Full cammo. Fully armed.

Now while I am not typically an alarmist I have been alarmed by the "freight" I see moving 7-24 thru this area.

I know there are others in North Texas that have seen these trains. Can I get a witness?

-- goldbug (goldbug@mint.com), November 03, 1999

Answers

Troll. Plain and simple.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), November 03, 1999.

need photos , got to have them , where are they heading ? any other markings?

-- MONGO (mongo2@prodigy.net), November 03, 1999.

Sounds like a Brigade size element rolling back from NTC (Nat'l Training Center) In the Mohave in Cali. Headed back to Ft. Hood by my guess... quit trying to cause a panic man. If'n the .MIL was planning on instituting a NATO backed martial law, they would've been moving a LOT more shit around the rest of the country. Always with the Texas connection...

Ever notice all these 'sightings' are out of Texas? I'd venture to say its because Dallas is the main transhippment point for the Ft. Hood/Ft. Sam Houston/Ft. Bliss areas.

Besides...What kind of Tanks? M-60 or M1A Heavies, M1A1 or M1A2's? Big difference between a 60 and an Abrams...Any Photos? And the "Security Force"? No Patches? Automatics in hand? Please...Sounds vaguely 'X Files' to me. No one is going to steal a chained down Abrams or Brad, nor are they there to keep people from seeing it...I think your buddy who sent this to you was out in the sun too long...

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan@Yahoo.com), November 03, 1999.

Those are giant blow up toys headed for a parade in Dallas on New years. The dolls will be next.

-- (Kenny@myHouse.com), November 03, 1999.

Four engines to pull 30-40 cars? How is it that I've seen one engine pull nearly a hundred hoppers loaded with stone?

And the three hummers with the 50 cals, what do they do when the train pulls out? Race along side like something out of "Rat Patrol"? How do they steer the hummer with an auto "in hand"?

Detaining folks for taking pictures? If the cargo is THAT hush-hush, hasn't the Army any TARPS?

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), November 03, 1999.

Billy Boy has got it right.

Battalion size task force with brigade and division elements returning from NTC at Irwin would look exactly like that. Missing supporting Artillery and aviation elements though. Could be on a separate train. They've been doing this regularly for at least 15 years. Best training in the world.

If martial law is imposed, look for local National Guard and Navy/Marine Corps. Posse Comitatus (sp?) limits Regular Army utility in this role.

-- ng (cantprovideemail@none.com), November 03, 1999.

"To all, I just received this in tonight's email. It is from a very trusted source."

Did anyone ever notice how these E-mails ALWAYS come from "very trusted" sources?

"Please share this carefully."

I really like this part. Next time someone tells me a secret, I think I'll blast it over the internet. What was that line about trust?

-- Anita (dontgive@anymore.com), November 03, 1999.

Hey Unk... Just FYI for future ref...(no flame intended) The standard dry weight of a single M1A1 Abrams (unloaded sans ammo+food ect) is 74 tons apiece. The M2 Bradley comes in at around 35-42 tons apiece depending on configuration, Anti-tank or ADA. HMMWV's kick in at a ton to ton and ahalf for the basic M998 Gun jeep, while the uparmored version kicks it at 2.5 to 3 tons! Figure the HEMMET Tankers and Cargo trucks unaladen are 3-4 tons apiece, we get into some SERIOUS weight. So if it really was a Battalion/Brigade on the train, four cars sounds about right.

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan@Yahoo.com), November 03, 1999.

not that i know a darned thing about the military and its movements but based on what i was hearing in the latest senate hearings we can also expect some placement of forces near/around a staging area for potential action with regards to the panama canal. i don't know if those resources are already in place in panama but a general made it clear that they will be "ready". don't worry about answering--but is there any chance they would pass thru texas?

-- tt (cuddluppy@yahoo.com), November 03, 1999.

tt,

Maybe if they were uploading on the gulf coast. Somehow I don't think that the Mexicans'd cotton on to the concept of an Armored Brigade 'jes passin through' to get to Panama. Only thing is, the only people who would be moving into Panama would be either the 101st ABN or the 82nd. Tanks from Hood require too much for a Panama-type invasion, as we already learned back in what was it '86? or 89? You know the "Just Cause" mission. That and all the folks in Hood are already deployed to hell and gone right now. Tenth Mountain just got to Bosnia, 1st Cav Div. just got back from Bosnia, and the military (active side) is just too damned busy to be thinking of 'occupying the US' for Y2K. Over 114 mission in 131 countries worldwide according to the latest count.... Everyone just take a deep breath and reeeeee-Lax.

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan@Yahoo.com), November 03, 1999.

Good gosh, my husband was stationed on Ft. Hood for years (1st Cav) and stuff like this goes down to them all the time. Sheesh, they don't put the insignia on it until it gets there. I hope this guy doesn't ever go driving down 35 South around Gatesville, Killeen, that area. The military convoys on the highway would FREAK him out.

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), November 03, 1999.

No kidding preparing...You shoulda seen it when the German Army, (enroute to train in NTC) rolled through downtown Killeen. Leopard II Main Battle Tanks, Mercedes trucks, AFV's...ALL the Tinfoils in town damned near went batshit over it. Made the local news, TV ectectect "Foriegn UN Army Invasion? Film at 11!!!" Mostly made fun of the fact that this is business as usual for the railroads of Cen-Tex. Deeeep Breath now....hold it.....exxxx-hale....

-- Billy Boy (Rakkasan@Yahoo.com), November 03, 1999.

Alert! Alert! Man the ramparts! Sound assembly! Gather on the village green! Prime those muskets! Oh, spare me. Pulleeassee.

This has been posted in every conceivable newsgroup on the net. Now I ask you, if the government was involved in this, would they be actually be ON SCHEDULE? Moving armor or equipment into position (somewhere) two months BEFORE the event (if this is supposed to be Y2k-related)? MOST unlikely.

-- chairborne commando (what-me-worry@armageddon.com), November 03, 1999.

Hmmmm--I live in Princeton TX and haven't seen anything close to what this fella describes. Go figure??

-- Net Scaper (tj@air_mail.net), November 03, 1999.

Thanks Billy Boy,

I knew those buggers were heavy, but not exactly HOW heavy. Still, over-all, that post sounds like much ado about nothing, with a little horseshit thrown in for drama.

Cheers!

-- Uncle Deedah (unkeed@yahoo.com), November 03, 1999.