"All leave is hereby cancelled from 15 Dec 99 until 30 Jan 00, all exception should be made in writing to MG xxxxxxx before 15 Nov 99."

Needless to say how we are spending our New Years. The bunker preps are in full-swing, new phones, new lmr's, new faxes, new stu-iii's, new hf, new uhf, new vhf, new satellite phones, new cell phones, new heads-up display, new closed circuit camera systems, new cots, new refridgerator, new coolers, new heating system, new back-up generator, new guards posted at the new door, new mre's, new tv's -lots of these to go with the 100+ channel cable system, and more tv's to go with the satellite systems, new gccs station, new siprnet station.

No new news other than a lot of money just fell out of the sky for this equipment. This wasn't a budgeted retrofit. And now we get frontline picture from Okinawa as it heads west.

No bug-out bags, No way-out, In Dee Cee for the duration.

-- c4i (c4ixxx@hotmail.com), October 29, 1999

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"All leave is hereby cancelled from 15 Dec 99 until 30 Jan 00, all exception should be made in writing to MG xxxxxxx before 15 Nov 99."

Wow, quite a convincing story. I'm sure you'll be able to hook at least one doomer with that nonesense.

Any facts to back up what you are saying, or just stuff that pours out of your imagination?

-- (_@_._), October 29, 1999.

Your posts are nice little neblets from the outer rim, Im sure you could dig a little deeper and come up with some neat stuff, that could give you alot of respect here..go for it--c4i...---...

-- Les (yoyo@tolate.com), October 29, 1999.

c4i,

What, no new vlf and elf? I would think that if you are getting hf, uhf, and vhf, you would get new equipment for the ones I listed as they are very important.

-- (cannot-say@this.time), October 29, 1999.

This post is for the ..@......person that wants verification about ..c4i...employer posting mandatory vacation policy... I work for a major bank in the midwest.. We were told the very same thing about three months ago.. No vacation from Dec 15-Jan 15...I had scheduled a vacation for the week after Christmas for this year.. I have taken a Christmas vacation for the last six years... Not this one.. We also recieved a memo back in the Summer (I think it was August) so it is happening... Also my brother (who is a DGI) works for a large plant(I think it has to do with steam generated energy) Im sorry if I seem vague but we haven't spoken for a while(he wouldn;'t let me bring the y2k subject up, thought it was a bunch of hype,.. that was last year).. heard through my mother that his employer has made it mandatory for him to work New Years eve.. He is a plant manager, and he never had to work the holiday before.. I don;t know for how long..( he won't say) he has a big ego and won't allow anyone to say ..."I told you so""".....

-- ??? (whats wrong@with you.com), October 29, 1999.

Would it make you feel better if they said you could have the month off?

In a doomers mind, working on y2K remediation means failing, not working on Y2K remediation means failing. It's a no win situation created by people are obviously don't have much hope for people.

They spend billions of dollars and tens of thousands of man hours, but that just goes to fortify your position that

"it's a reeeeely big problem",

instead of,

"they spent the money to fix stuff, not to write false PR stories".

-- (_@_._), October 29, 1999.

Dear " @ . "

NOW, assuming that you don't need remedial education for functional illiteracy, TRY to go back and reread the original post as just a little factoid. There wasn't ANYTHING of the sort of what you posted included. It is just offered as a factoid. NOBODY suggested it meant ANYTHING beyond that the situation existed, and someone is taking reasonable contingent precautions, which I for one am happy to see.

SHEESH if you want to denigrate the position, y'oughta at least let someone SUGGEST what you want to denigrate, first. Else YOU look MUCH too concerned.

Could it be that YOU are the one who is scared????

Night Train

-- Jes a chucklin' ol footballer, a shakin' his haid (nighttr@in.lane), October 29, 1999.

Dear Football guy,

I think if you did your own research 90% of EVERYTHIMG that gets posted to TB2000 is Doomer paranoia. I can safely put this thread under that same category.

Hey sysops, that is a good idea. Start a new category for "Paranoid Doomer Drivel".

-- (_@_._), October 29, 1999.

That's "refrigerator." Should've gotten a new spell-checker while you're at it, son.

-- Spidey (in@jam.asif), October 29, 1999.

Factoid? Hahahahahahaha! Stop it you're killing me!

-- you must be joking (factoid@this.place), October 29, 1999.

The point seems to be missed by the it can't happen, your just a doomer posters is that c4i is not cancelling his leave, his command is. Is this to say that his command structure is composed of irrational doomers. If so we are in grave danger since they run the nuke weapons.

-- won't say (None@none.com), October 29, 1999.

Interesting that c4i spells it "refridgerator". That sounds somewhat British. Ah well, who knows ?

Nice to hear your superiors did so well spinning the "Give us cash or the whole ball of string will unravel" story to their paymasters. Seems it had the intended effect of buying you lots of new toys.

And therein lies the giveaway.

TV's ? new TV's ? SATTELLITE TV's ?

But doesnt that suggest that there will be power, television stations, infrastructure, after the rollover ??? Doesnt sound too TEOTWAWKI if youre all going to be sitting around watching Dallas reruns during your downtime.

Im sure this wasn't a "budgeted retrofit". Sounds more like a "Thanks to this damn fool Y2K hype and the ignorance of non-technical politicians, we just got a huge budget windfall retrofit".

Kind Regards

W

-- W0lv3r1n3 (w0lv3r1n3@yahoo.com), October 29, 1999.

Interesting. The administration of my work place is telling me and others in basic research to stay out of work during the week surrounding the rollover.

-- coprolith (coprolith@rocketship.com), October 29, 1999.

We are in no more danger of getting nuked now than we were in all of nuclear history. If you think the Cuban Missile Crisis was the last time we almost got irradiated then I hate to tell you that what you don't know can kill you. There is an entire of society of people who control those things, and they have their own politics, which has nothing to do with Y2K.

-- (_@_._), October 29, 1999.

a I am very well aware of recent political and military history and when or when not we were in danger of very bad things happening. But the events were not controlled by any secret society set up to run the world as you seem to imply. C4I's commanders are good men, limited as we all are but trying to do their jobs. If they are worried, then I am worried. Do they know the future? Of course not. But they have looked at the evidence and then they have and made an estimate. If you wish to call them fools and their rankings of possibilities insane, so be it. I don't think they are worried by your opinion. They know their responsibility.

-- won't say (None@none.com), October 29, 1999.

No they aren't fools, as W0lv3r1n3 pointed out. They scream catastrophe, and the money flows. Makes sense to me. I think if you read into it any harder than that you will be bordering on coverup conspiracy. And how is it again that "they" are covering up TEOTW (AWKI)? Seems to me that if they couldn't keep a lid on MonicaGate then it stands to reason that they are incapable of hiding Y2K.

-- (_@_._), October 29, 1999.

a to you and others of the cospiracy bent, i'm not sure who the "they" are who could not cover up Monica. Most certainly, those "they" are not C4I's commanders who had nothing to do with that event. Moreover, C4I's commanders are not coveing up anything. There is nothing to cover up. C4I's people judge evidence and try to reach a conclusion. Their conclusion appears to be that something bad MIGHT happen and that the order of possibility is high enough to take significant action in those limited areas where they have the authority to act. By the way, C4I's commanders do not have the authority to go around mounting public awareness programs or disagreing with the stated opinions or lack of opinions of civilian leadership. From some experience in the past, I can also say that the commanders would not need an excuse to modernize command centers. I do know that my daughters boyfriend, a naval oficer at Pearl harbor, is restricted on island for the time frame C4I mentions. Unusual? yes, very. Related? Probably. Proof that Y2K will be a disaster or even a very disagreeable event? No. But if my neighbor is a weatherman and I see he is boarding up his place, I know he takes the possibility of a bad storm seriously. I think in that case i would not be foolish to see at least if i had any plywood around. And a, I don't mean to sound cruel, but people who keep finding the unidentified "theys" to blame for the problems of the world are, to paraphrase a famous Vulcan, highly illogical. You have cited one to many "theys" for me to take you seriously and reply again. As "they" say in a very old country on the other side of the world Ne var- ne yok!

-- wontsay (noone@none.com), October 29, 1999.

To a to you and others of the cospiracy bent, i'm not sure who the "they" are who could not cover up Monica. Most certainly, those "they" are not C4I's commanders who had nothing to do with that event. Moreover, C4I's commanders are not coveing up anything. There is nothing to cover up. C4I's people judge evidence and try to reach a conclusion. Their conclusion appears to be that something bad MIGHT happen and that the order of possibility is high enough to take significant action in those limited areas where they have the authority to act. By the way, C4I's commanders do not have the authority to go around mounting public awareness programs or disagreing with the stated opinions or lack of opinions of civilian leadership. From some experience in the past, I can also say that the commanders would not need an excuse to modernize command centers. I do know that my daughters boyfriend, a naval oficer at Pearl harbor, is restricted on island for the time frame C4I mentions. Unusual? yes, very. Related? Probably. Proof that Y2K will be a disaster or even a very disagreeable event? No. But if my neighbor is a weatherman and I see he is boarding up his place, I know he takes the possibility of a bad storm seriously. I think in that case i would not be foolish to see at least if i had any plywood around. And a, I don't mean to sound cruel, but people who keep finding the unidentified "theys" to blame for the problems of the world are, to paraphrase a famous Vulcan, highly illogical. You have cited one to many "theys" for me to take you seriously and reply again. As "they" say in a very old country on the other side of the world Ne var- ne yok!

-- won't say (None@none.com), October 29, 1999.

wontsay,

You are bending over backwards here.

When "they" batten down the hatches and hunker down, it's reasonable to conclude there's a storm coming. Why go out of your way to try and convince people that they are stupid or paranoid for doing the same?

I'm getting sick of these people who squawk that "secrets can't be kept!" in an attempt to convert us to the idea that nothing important is being hidden from view. No, they had no intention of hiding Monica. Monica was something for the people to fixate on while Chinese espionage, illegal Whitehouse access to FBI files, and other matters of weight were swept from view. Monica was a "straw man" for us to knock down; it depleted the energy and credibility of the right wing, and titillated and wearied the public. We now have scandal fatique, just as we were intended to.

"Doomers" want to save lives. Pollies want to - what? Save people the minor expense and embarassment of preparing for something that they think won't happen? I hope you're a shill. If you're not getting paid for this, there's something wrong with you.

Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), October 29, 1999.

Liberty, Please read my post again. I thought my meaning was very clear and it most certainly was not against preparing. I am and I consider people who do not foolhardy. However, that does not mean that all of life's events are due to conspiracies. I repeat, C4I's commanders do not know, I do not know, you do not know, nor does "a" know what will happen on January first. I do know that the conditions are favorable for the development of one hell of a storm around that day and i will try to be ready. That seems to drive people like "a" bit nuts, since it might mean his party planned for then might not come off and he does not like being told his desires are not supreme.. It also seems to drive people like you nuts that i do not believe that the hurricane is the puposeful creation of an evil cabal. Most illogical.

-- Won't say (noone@none.com), October 29, 1999.

11/11/99 -- 3:22 PM

Amsterdam mayor to spend New Year's Eve in the basement

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - It's his party and he can cry if he wants to.

While hundreds of thousands of revelers are partying at a city-sponsored millennium bash, Amsterdam Mayor Schelto Patijn said he would be in a control room beneath city hall to deal with any emergency caused by a millennium computer glitch.

``I won't be there, I'll be in a bunker under city hall,'' Patijn told a news conference unveiling the city's plans.

The city plans a 10-hour concert with Dutch and foreign musicians and will erect a Ferris wheel with giant lights to display the countdown to the millennium.

All the electrical needs of the $475,000 extravaganza will be powered by generators, Patijn said.

-- archie bunker (down@under.steel), November 11, 1999.