99 recording submitted, and not even in the top 50... is it worth it?

I really can't understand why someone would submit a score of 650 on a version of Space Invaders.

Isn't stuff like this just wasting space on the hd, and wasting resources?

-- Crash (crash@tcp.co.uk), October 26, 1999

Answers

I completely agree with you , Crash ... Wouldn't it be better to come back to the 10-3-1 ranking ? It privileges quality instead of quantity

-- phil lamat (plamat@club-internet.fr), October 26, 1999.

In an arcade I used to play at, they had a list of everygame that ever was in that arcade. The manager kept had a list of just about everyone who played at the arcade, when someone beat there personel high score, they showed it to someone on duty and there score was recorded in the list.

There where scores listed that where less than 1% of the top place score.

There where no medal points nor a leaderboard.

-- Dave Kaupp (info@kaupp.cx), October 26, 1999.

Can't we all just let this thread die in peace? It's like the moebius strip from philosophical hell. If someone wants to post a lame recording, let them. The recordings do not cause a problem with space because they are tiny, period. They also provide new players with a tangible rank, and let them introduce themselves to the community at MARP. Not all of us are going to post 10 mil at Bubble Bobble right upon arrival. Just let these recordings be... and if there's ever a problem with space or script overflow, I'm sure Zwaxy will let us know. If the player's score isn't good enough to send me an automatic e-mail, then I really don't care about it. And I get around 30 score e-mails a day, often for scores that I posted which I thought were good. Like Dave implied, one man's trash is another man's treasure. And for those who argue that this is a PLAYBACK site, well, this way, it at least gives those weaker players somewhere reliable to store their .inps, and maybe even pick up a few tips from the pros on their playing style. I'm sure that if those of you who do not like having to WATCH these INNUMERABLE recordings actually took the time to e-mail the players concerned and provide helpful hints as to how to improve on a score like 650 on Space Invaders, certain players posting these scores might hesitate a little before posting "sub-par" recordings.

Now, why don't we focus our energy toward setting up a tournament that everyone wants to play in? I sure as hell won't be joining this one, so I think I'll go back to trying to learn Mahjongg on the NeoGeo.

-- Q.T.Quazar (qan@home.com), October 26, 1999.

Dave, do you know the manager or any one that works in that arcade that may still have all those scores? Also, how long do you think they kept track of players high scores on the games they had on their floor? Reason why is because if I could get a copy of all the scores or any for that matter on most or all of the games he had their over the years, they could be considered for the next edition of the Twin Galaxies Book of World Records. Please get back to me or if you can just give me some info how to get ahold of someone there (phone #, contact point) and either Walter Day or myself will give them a call.

Regards, Steve Krogman

-- stephen krogman (skrogman@bellsouth.net), October 27, 1999.

I agree with both Crash and Phil about going back to the old points method used for the leaderboard.

Just my $0.03 :)

Regards, Steve Krogman

-- stephen krogman (skrogman@bellsouth.net), October 27, 1999.

I don't recall the managaers name, but the Arcade was called Electromania in Santee, Ca. They have been closed for many years.

He was in contact with some national high score commision at the time, not sure who that was either. It was around '83 or so. A few of the guys in the arcade had there scores recorded with this commision. I remeber we had a compitition with an arcade in NY City once, the commision may have been based there.

I had Tron for 100K when it first came out, which was promptly defeated witin a matter of days. I had Zaxxon with 1.3 million which lasted for a few months until I saw it beaten for over 2 million in a competion in L.A. I don't recall anyones elses scores. I'm not sure how authorative this high score commision was, but I think my Zaxxon score was printed in an issue of Playboy or some other Mag. along with some other scores.

I was only a teenager at the time and it was quite a few beers ago so my memory is a bit hazy. :)

-- Dave Kaupp (info@kaupp.cx), October 27, 1999.

Of the three scoring systems, I prefer the tournament scoring system. The more players per game, the more points available.

-- Dave Kaupp (info@kaupp.cx), October 27, 1999.

Crash: Are you referring to N.Kosaka? (Did I spell that correctly? MARP is down, so I can't check.) Seems like we have an A.D. Sakuragi clone. I said before that I think everybody is free to post scores they're proud of, even if those scores are peanuts compared to the top scores, but I hardly think that somebody who's going through the entire alphabet, playing each game once, and uploading the result, no matter how low, is actually proud of (the majority of) his scores...

I fully agree with you, but where do you draw the line? There are some other people who post quite a lot, but at least their scores are usually not of the play-once-on-to-the-next-game type. And at least they've shown they are actually really good at several games as well. There was a suggestion a while back to limit the amount of uploads per week. I don't really know what happened with that, but I think that's the best way to fight it. At least the mass-uploaders will be more or less forced to upload only their best scores then...

Well... whatever... not my decision anyway...

Q.T.: The problem is not hard drive space, the problem is the CPU time required for some of the scripts to process the unnecessary amount of recordings. Zwaxy told me that especially sorting (which a lot of the scripts do in one way or another) causes a big CPU problem...

Ben Jos.

-- Ben Jos Walbeehm (walbeehm@walbeehm.com), October 27, 1999.

I'm afraid the Tournament scoring system is not applicable to the Main Leaderboard....it means changing all the scores at any new entry.....and since we're more than 250, and with an avg. of 4-5 newcomers a week....just try to figure what a mess could be !!! IMO, the % scoring system is ok, but it's getting being abused.... My proposal to set a limit for uploading (a certain % of the top score of a game....not 50% -it was a provocation- but let's say 15-20) would have helped to stop submitting trash without discouraging new players......but it aborted. Now, to give more evidence to quality players, we could:
1) make 2 distinct leaderboards: 1 based on the 10-3-1 scoring system, and 1 based on the % scoring system;
2) sort the LB on the 10-3-1 player total score, and not on the % total score. Cicca

-- Cicca (cicca@writeme.com), October 27, 1999.

Ben Jos,

yup that's exactly who I mean. I too was under the impression that it was the quantity of recordings which caused script problems. Since the server is once again down and not processing the .cgi pages, isn't it about time we voted some restrictions in to alleviate the load?

Crash.

-- Crash (crash@tcp.co.uk), October 27, 1999.

I think Cicca's right : let's sort the LB on the 10-3-1 ranking and let's make a separate column we can click on it (I'm not sure my english is good enough in this sentence) to view the % ranking

-- PHIL (plamat@club-internet.fr), October 27, 1999.

I'll vote for removing the leader board all together.

-- Dave Kaupp (info@kaupp.cx), October 27, 1999.