Where is the crash? How come gold took a downer? Did Andy lose his shirt? Is it really the end of the world??? I'm soooooooo confused.

-- (Where'sthe@Beef.com), October 22, 1999

Answers

For the spot price of gold:
http://mrci.com/qpnight.htm
http://www.kitco.com/gold. graph.html

For the spot price of silver:
http://www.kitco.com/sil ver.graph.html

For the spot price of platinum:
http://www.kitco.com/p latinum.graph.html

For U.S. Markets and stock quotes:
http://finance.yahoo.com/?u

For Major World Indices:
http://finance.yahoo.com/m2?u

Sincerely,
Stan Faryna

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-- Stan Faryna (faryna@groupmail.com), October 22, 1999.

Beef,

I'm not invested in the stock market, my brother is the stock broker of the family... (DGI).

In any event, is it possible that they are just beginning to Get It and are driving up profits before the end of the year... you know, get it while you can...??

ps... not looking for a technical answer, I'm void when it comes to the stock market but have a clue about the nature of the "game"...

Keep the faith and hold on...

-- booann (keepthefaith@hold.on), October 22, 1999.

Where's the Beef?

Locate a steer. Move to opposite end the steer is facing. (Cow will also work) Put head down 23 degrees, run and aim for oriface. After impact, when head is implanted, open your eyes. That is where the beef is. (among other things) Happy hunting.

-- enough is (enough@enough.com), October 22, 1999.

Beef, so you saw what really happened, hope you didnt think the goldbugs knew what they were talking about.

When gold STARTS to move in one direction some people here jump in and cheer it on as if they know what the future of it will be but they really dont.

Y2K IS NOT the reason gold moved up recently, anyone telling you so is a fraud or uninformed. Gold is in its correct zone right now.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), October 22, 1999.

One day does not create a trend---Mr. Beef.

Here we are on Oct. 22nd. with business as usual, money being made by Americas greastest past time.

I hope no one suspects that the big boys are just going to sell and leave this early in the game. What would they do next week.

From their standpoint there is still plenty of time left--They control the knobs and the sheeple follow.

As Time grows shorter and shorter the volatility will increase substantially. By the way if you have been watching-you should be sorely aware that things are beginning to stir.

Hamster---Gold is and will be directly tied to y2k once the big bulls start their move--count on it.

All this is soooooooooooooooooooooo frigging predictable.

The only reason we are having this discussion today is because it is Oct.. If they all cashed in today what would they do tomorrow??

Sheesh--I just saw an IPO that went up 156pts. in one morning!!!!!!

unbelievable. Everyone here that has intuited that the market would come to a screeching halt is Right on the money. It is obviously just too early.

-- D.B. (dciinc@aol.com), October 22, 1999.

Welll - let's see here.

Look at the ten month trend - rather than the ten hour trend - we're now at a point where the AVERAGE stock price index are ALMOST at what they were in January. But, even if the average (S&P 500, Dow, etc.) has almost shown a profit for the year, notice that the average is based on the performance of only few. The vast majority have lost money this year.

And looking at the past two years - the dip from July shows no sign of abating - prices are down a little over 15%. In fact, loooking even at the ten year point, the curve has been noticeably down, down way past its peak, and is steadily aimed even further down.

In fact, it definitely a "bear" market overall since July, after being relatively steady in January-April timeframe.

Absolutely no reason to believe it will recover any time soon either.

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Marietta, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), October 22, 1999.

OK, folks, here's the message. Get used to it.

ABC NEWS: Economy Inoculated From IBM's Y2K Bug

Big Blues Millennium Woes: Financial Fallout From IBMs Y2K Glitch Limited

By David E. Kalish, The Associated Press

N E W Y O R K, Oct. 21  Despite investor fears of broader industry fallout, IBMs dour warning about damage from the Year 2000 computer glitch appears relatively limited to its own financial results  and its stock price.

Concerns that IBMs woes could hit other technology companies initially pounded the stock market Thursday, sending the Dow Jones industrial average plunging more than 200 points in early trading. But the market largely recovered by days end, underscoring what some analysts have said all along: IBM could be a largely isolated instance of Y2K damage because its customers are heavy users of old mainframes, which are more likely to mistake the year 2000 for 1900.

So far, in fact, the much-feared corporate spending freeze on new computer systems  known in the industry as Y2K lockdown  looks more like a mild chill...

That's it. The message is: "Y2K is only a problem for a very few companies, like boring old IBM."

Period. Ain't nobody gonna say different. If they do, their stock will get hammered, just like Big Blue's did. Let the chips fall where they may.

Heck, the last part of the URL for that article is "Y2Koverblown991021.html"

"Y2K-overblown-99-10-21". It's official and date-stamped. 'Nuff said.

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), October 22, 1999.

These people that said the market was going to crash this week have been DEBUNKED by their own words. No one needs to do it to them. They are back under their rocks and hopefully they will stay there. The market will be up later this year, next year will be a market, and they will be chasing the big bad black helicopters. Hey doomers, give it a break and smell the java.

-- jq public (jqpublic@usa.com), October 22, 1999.

Go ahead JPQ,

Put all of your money in the market basket.

October ain't done yet, son.

Get your guns, grub, and gold while you can.

-- nothere nothere (notherethere@hotmail.com), October 22, 1999.

Hey jq,

Just as suspected---ignorance is bliss!!

Check out the last 10 minutes of the market today GENUIS!!!!

Grow up----!! And prepare!! Quit playing your stupid games.

-- D.B. (dciinc@aol.com), October 22, 1999.

Check out the last 10 minutes of the market today GENUIS!!!!

Why? Looked pretty good to me. Dow closed up 172.

-- (duh@duh.duh), October 22, 1999.

As someone who doesn't know everything about the stock market, I am wondering, what happened in the last ten minutes that keeps getting referred to? Did the CPT give the DJIA CPR? Confused.

-- preparing (preparing@home.com), October 22, 1999.

What did happen that last ten minutes? I'm confused. Was it some sort of last minute crash that the biased media failed to cover? I really would like to know.

-- jq public (jqpublic@usa.com), October 22, 1999.

Its the volatility that is concerning, Nasdaq droped about 20 pts or nearly 1% in ten minutes. As long as a swing like that doesn't keep going at that rate few for a few hours >25% for a day, everything's hunky dory. Must be La Nina. Unfortunately for the markets, they are still 1-2% off levels from two weeks ago and the stochastics are in overbought territory. If this is a bull market we'll know next week, after this run they'll be some selling pressure and we may see more churnin and burnin. Safe to say the 50 day DOW moving average is in the down direction and considering that the price of oil has doubled, Inflaion is increasing, interest rates have increased and are expected to increase further, there is some logic in the graph.

-- PD (PaulDMaher@worldnet.att.com), October 22, 1999.

jpq, it depends on who you talk to.

I would tell you the pop up was due to a report just released that showed growth would slow a little but still be strong enough for a good economy and the FED sort of let out the position it wouldnt be unhappy with this sort of outlook, which translates to maybe no more interest rate hikes, hence the market liked that for a Friday close.

HOWEVER, some others on this forum would tell you that "Klinton" signed a deal with the Cabal and unholy 7 which turns over the first born of millions of conservatives and billions of dollars were handed over to the chinese so they would work with someone to do something, ah, the Bilderbergers were also part of it and it was a Zionist thing, with ah, um, lots of executive orders giving power to the BOE, BOJ and BOC to dump silver and gold to make hidden oil fields which would, um, ah, be used to fund wars against, um,err, switzerland which would undercut the financial stranglehold that few people know they have on molybdenum, which is now made using Alchemy and um.... I gotta go.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), October 22, 1999.

Well, I'm not under any rock. I see many troubles on the horizon.

Regarding the stock market: These assets are manipulated by Wall Street insiders; money is continually pouring in and must be invested somewhere, so the money is placed into hyped stocks. The other stocks generally suffer a bearish decline, but the media focuses upon the winners.

This Wall Street casino will continue until a sudden, unexpected catastrophe hits America. Then investors will panic and sell off like crazy.

Has this happened yet? No.

Will it happen soon? Yes.

Will the ultimate stock market crash change your life? Yes. But it won't be on YOUR timetable.

Greedy people have their financial plans and manipulate assets to the best of their abilities. However, God Almighty has His Own Plans, and when He judges Wall Street, it will be awesome to the max!

Everyone will be caught off guard, even the insiders! There will be no way to go except SELL, SELL, SELL! But there will be no buyers!

The market will tank big time resulting in the greatest financial crash in history!

Then there will be no more denial, only PANIC!

You have been warned...

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), October 22, 1999.

" However, God Almighty has His Own Plans, and when He judges Wall Street, it will be awesome to the max! "

Randy, why does God have to judge Wall St?.

What is Wall St doing that is so wrong or worse than is done elsewhere in the world. We seem to be hearing more and more people who seem to want Wall St to plunge as some sort of payback for some great crime.

-- hamster (hamster@mycage.com), October 22, 1999.

Wall Street is the financial heart of Babylon America.

Arrogance, pride and greed will be judged here in America and in all other financial markets simultaneously.

This monumental judgment will result in a total global economic collapse, and many investors will receive great fear in their hearts; many will die of fright.

From this collapse a NEW SYSTEM for the NEW WORLD ORDER will arise: a phoenix paradigm of complex dimensions.

And it will change YOUR life forever!

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), October 22, 1999.

The validity of all news is based upon whether or not it supports the subjective meme of a catastrophic new year. It's not science, it's religion.

Regards,
Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), October 22, 1999.

Everyone will be caught off guard, even the insiders! There will be no way to go except SELL, SELL, SELL! But there will be no buyers!

Then who will they sell to?

-- (duh@duh.duh), October 22, 1999.

They will go broke!

Simple. Stark. Stupid.

Duh!

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), October 22, 1999.

It certainly does appear that there are some very definite problems on the horizon. I think its fair to say that the bulls on Wall Street are very very arrogant. Maybe their is string pulling going on behind the curtain. I did research and now I see what happened over the last ten minutes. So I apologize to whoever it was that made that point earlier.

-- jq public (jqpublic@usa.com), October 22, 1999.

Near the end of the day there was a rumor(love rumors) that CISCO might not make the number next week. There were a ton of puts bought in the last hour. Nov 65s.

-- Mike Lang (webflier@erols.com), October 22, 1999.

The timing of earnings releases does appear at best suspicious. I now wonder what would have happened had they done that early in the day?

-- jq public (jqpublic@usa.com), October 22, 1999.

I hate the word "meme". There I said it.

-- Preparing (preparing@home.com), October 23, 1999.

I hate that word too. It sound like yer fucking clearing yer throat to sing an opera.

-- (MeTOO@ .com), October 23, 1999.

Not to sound ignorant, but what the hell is a "meme"?

-- jqpublic (jqpublic@usa.com), October 23, 1999.