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Well, folks, here we go...down the slippery slope! Just saw this on my executive's desk. Can't wait until she lets me read it. Get yours now. You all have guessed right about this all along. Scapegoating the chosen groups. We'd all better pray really hard!

-- Elaine Seavey (, October 20, 1999


I don't belong to a militia. Do you?

-- can't (, October 20, 1999.

The sheep can pray,I'm buying more buckshot.

-- zoobie (, October 20, 1999.

"Scapegoating?" Don't you think that's a bit EXTREME, Ms. Seavey? You wouldn't be some kind of EXTREMIST, would you? "Pray?" what sort of religious cult group do you belong to? You don't mind if we come in and have a look around...

-- Agent Dupe (, October 20, 1999.

I'm sure you're doing a spoof, tongue-in-cheek, right, Agent Dupe? I'm not in any militia or any cult or extremist group. But I believe in the rights of others to do so if they wish, without being scapegoated as the ones to fear at Y2K!!! I know who I'm afraid of, and it ISN'T a militia, cult, or extremist group, believe me!

-- Elaine Seavey (, October 20, 1999.

Are you talking about this article, Elaine?

http://www.usatoday.c om/news/ndstue02.htm

FBI: Militias a threat at millennium

By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY

WASHINGTON - With some extremists attaching apocalyptic significance to the new millennium, the FBI is quietly warning local police about possible threats posed by anti-government militias and hate organizations.

The campaign includes the national distribution of a report titled Project Megiddo in which federal authorities assess threats posed by hate groups and explain the significance of biblical references the groups use to discuss Y2K.

The project, which is named for an ancient battleground in Israel associated with Armageddon, will be the centerpiece of an FBI seminar this month before the International Association of Chiefs of Police in Charlotte, N.C.

Unlike the rest of the meeting, the seminar will be closed to the public, a sign of how sensitive the subject of militias has become.

One workshop is titled "Millennium, militias, and mayhem: what to expect in the coming year."

A senior government official said the 40-page report was meant to heighten awareness among local police departments to the possibility that militias might use the new millennium as an opportunity to initiate acts of violence or general disruption.

The FBI has urged police to be alert to changes in behavior of known militias and cult groups and to the possible stockpiling of weapons.

Anti-government groups, particularly the loose network of militias, drew considerable attention after the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, which killed 168 people.

Convicted terrorist Timothy McVeigh and his accomplice, Terry Nichols, shared the anti-government views of militia organizations, and Nichols attended militia meetings.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the militia movement reached its peak in 1996, when there were 858 such organizations across the country. By last year, there were 435.

What concerns officials now, however, is the possibility that extreme members of militias might undertake missions of their own.

They cite as an example Buford Furrow, who belonged to a white supremacist group and is accused of killing a mail carrier and shooting six people at a Jewish community center in Los Angeles this summer.

-- -- (--@--.--), October 20, 1999.

...FBI seminar this month before the International Association of Chiefs of Police in Charlotte, N.C. ...

International Association of Chiefs of Police - membership organization for police executives.

Annual Conference Committee, Division, and Section Meetings Schedule  9/22/99


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Workshops (Long list)


Cyber Awareness and Critical Infrastructure Protection

This presentation is designed to heighten awareness to cyber crime and its threats to a nations critical infrastructure, and to increase protection for law enforcement information systems. The common vulnerabilities and resolutions, as well as mitigation recommendations, will be addressed. In addition, Project Solstice, the Royal Canadian Mounted Polices response to protecting critical infrastructures, which targets Y2K vulnerabilities by organized crime, terrorists, extremists and/or criminal sponsors of civil unrest, will be explained.


 Ronald L. Dick, Section Chief, NIPC, FBI, Washington, DC
 Edward J. Gaffney, Supervisory Special Agent, NIPC, FBI, Washington, DC
 Chuck Waring, Sergeant, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

The Millennium, Militias, and Mayhem: What to Expect in the Coming Year

This workshop will focus on law enforcement concerns surrounding the coming millennium and the possibility for resulting acts of terrorism. Discussion will focus on the potential for terrorist activity in the United States by individuals or domestic terrorist groups who profess an apocalyptic view of the millennium or attach special significance to Y2K.


 Neil Gallagher, Assistant Director, National Security Division, FBI, Washington, DC


 Robert Burnham, Chief of Domestic TerrorismCounterterrorism Planning Section, FBI, Washington, DC

Y2K at Home: How to Prepare Your Family for What Probably Won't Happen

This program will provide chiefs of police and police departments the information needed to prepare their own families for possible Y2K difficulties and can serve as a vehicle to prepare communities as well. We are well aware that when the clock strikes midnight this January 1st there is the potential for disruptions to power, telephone, water and food supplies. Police chiefs will have planned for possible adverse public reaction, but all these plans require police officers to report for work. Adequately preparing their police families for potential Y2K problems enables officers to be available for their shift. The presentation, also designed to use on a PC, involves preparation for the whole family and is suitable for any emergency drill.

-- Diane J. Squire (, October 20, 1999.

Why does the gov continually lump militia groups, in with the radical hate groups? To the best of my knowledge, militias were created to protect against the abuses of a tyrannical the one we have now! While on the other hand, supremecists, hate groups and the like just don't like anyone not like them. Obviously this is just a line of spin BS from the gov to justify destroying the militias (who are the only real threat to them)when the appropriate time comes. Does any sane person actually fall for this phony strawman nonsense?

-- Disgusted (, October 20, 1999.

Hell. I don't even play paint ball!

One should not confuse what's happening here with "scapegoating". I believe they are blaming looney militias (and mud wrestlers) to provide a cover for various para-military preps. Reminds me of the DC celebration being catered by the national guard and supported by generators just so that the party won't get ruined. Another not so subtle way to bring in the troops in broad daylight. Cyber terrorism - - now that's scapegoating!

I've got to confess that I'm a little mixed on this martial law thing. On the one hand, the strong libertarians make interesting cases for why the feds are a bunch of evil dwarfs. On the other hand, I would like to think that if TSHTF, there would be rational ways to maintain some semblance of control. (It's when they take my rice and draft me that my ambivalence will all but disappear.)

Today has been a very "military day" on the forum. Must be that smell of napalm in the morning.

-- Dave (, October 20, 1999.


As vituperative as I may seem on this subject, I tend to agree. It would be the best of all possible worlds if the damned government would just do it's job. But it's not. There was Waco. There is the training of SWAT units by military elite forces. There is the announcements that we "should welcome troops on US soil." There is this enormous PR campaign to demonize anyone who disagrees with whatever the hell the current regime wants to do, Constitution be damned. And the cumulative effect has been to TERRORIZE the American people. To top it off, anyone who IS afraid of their government, and perhaps seeks solace in a biblical interpretation, is TARGETED by a multi-agency force. Is this supressing freedom of speech, freedom of thought, not in 2000, but NOW? Obviously. So, they are not "just doing their jobs" - unless you construe their "job" to be subverting constitutional governement and the freedoms of speech and assembly that are guaranteed therein. They are internationalist thugs. THEY are the ones "exploiting" this disaster to further their totalitarian, anti-american agenda, and blaming anyone with the audacity to complain about it of doing what THEY are doing.


-- Liberty (, October 20, 1999.

Diane, yes, that's the article.

Dave, what you just described in using them as a cover for paramilitary stuff IS scapegoating...we agree! But I think it could also be as Disgusted said, a move towards trying to do away with militias by first giving them a bad name. Just as we've been discussing here about the terms used to denigrate David Koresh, the people living in the church community there, and their beliefs, etc. Make them look bad, so when you do them in, people say, "Whew! Sure glad they wiped out those dangerous militia maniacs..."

-- Elaine Seavey (, October 20, 1999.




And I quote:

Politics is the "art of looking for trouble, finding it, misdiagnosing it and then misapplying the wrong remedies" -Groucho Marx


And for those who haven't seen the real thing lately, here it is:

Article II: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

4th Amendment to the US Constitution:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or Affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

And last but not least:

"When the governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." -Thomas Jefferson


Thank you for you attention.

-- no talking please (, October 20, 1999.

Ms. Seavey, David Koresh WAS A DEGENERATE of the first order. Like many others like him, he wrapped his sick behavior around a so-called church and that makes it all OK to folks like yourself. Religion should never be an excuse for criminal activity but unfortunately that is often the case. To elevate Koresh beyond a sick scam artist is shameful and an affront to all decent Christians.

-- Truth (at@the.ready), October 20, 1999.

Thank you Truth, for causing me to experience revulsion at the idea of sexual degeneracy. I thank you, because this powerful emotional experience relieves me of the tedious personal responsibility to gather evidence, evaluate it, and arrive at my own conclusions. I'm much too busy for that.

-- Joseph Average (, October 20, 1999.

Were the little children at Waco also degenerates and scam artists?

-- biker (, October 20, 1999.


They must have been. The government wouldn't have torched and dismembered them if they weren't. They must have done something wrong.

Anything good on t.v. tonight?

-- Joseph Average (, October 20, 1999.

Well spoken, Liberty! Do you think you included enough keywords so that you e-mail will be flagged by the NSA snoop-dipsticks, as was discussed in a post here in the past few days?

-- profit of doom (, October 20, 1999.

I'm as glad as anyone that someone looks after the bad guys. And I'm certain their are some. But why must it be page one material when Nercs flubs can't even make page three. The irony of this crap is unbelievably hard to stomach.

Yeah, right like the biggest Y2K threat is from the Megadildo Millenium Militia. Planning to vibrate the world to death in one unending buzzzzzz.......

Where does it end?

-- Gordon (, October 20, 1999.

Want to know what my milita (Not mine, really. Just the one I'm in.) is doing for the time period around roll over?

We are stockpiling supplies, like turkey, ham, cranberry sauce (the nasty canned kind that keeps the shape of the can when you dump it out), cider, potatoes, canned veggies, yams, and stuffing mix. We stash this over abundance of holiday fare (much more than we could possible eat. It must be high capacity ASSAULT FOOD!!) at serveral food banks around the city in the hopes that they will feed people with it. Then, when everyone is stuffed to the gills and too full to move, WE STRIKE!!

Why do we do this? Because we are EVIL. Just read USA Today if you don't beleive that.

Watch six and keep your...

-- eyes_open (best@wishes.not), October 21, 1999.

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