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Do you all think silver and platnium will follow the upward path of gold?
-- Shirley (email@example.com), October 17, 1999
Warren Buffett, Bill Gates and George Soros feels that way or they would not have invested billions over the last 14 months in Silver and Platinum. Mostly silver. I have purchased silver as I feel it will be the most explosive when things really get moving very soon. Silver is the poor mans gold.
-- no spam (firstname.lastname@example.org), October 17, 1999.
Don't forget lead,preferably copper or brass jacketed.
-- zoobie (email@example.com), October 17, 1999.
no spam ... you got that right ! Shirley .... I think silver will go from 70 to 1 with gold , TO , 40 to 1 ; THEN, to 20 to 1 . Poor people WILL NOT be able to afford gold when it hits 600 - 1000 $ range , but they will buy silver . Have watched the carnage of government control of silver/gold since the early eighties. The LID IS OFF !! Get some while it's below $6. Silver Eagle ( P.S. Historically, silver traded at 10 to 1 against gold for 5000 years . It should go there again .)
-- Silver Eagle (SilverEagle@gotsome.com), October 17, 1999.
Thanks for the info on other metals. If you wanted to purchase silver tonight, or place an order, what service would you use, and what symbol. Also if the market takes a nose dive, will silver and gold continue to rise? Will they be able to guarantee delivery? I really appreciate the time and effort of each of you with market knowledge, who take the time to post and share your expertise with others. Thank you.
-- Nancy (HAYSandCO@aol.com), October 17, 1999.
Nancy-- Go to-www.certifiedmint.com--- They will assist, inform, and instruct you in your desire.
-- L J Silverr (firstname.lastname@example.org), October 17, 1999.
Silver Eagle... I hope you are right... :)))
I have 30,000oz of silver. For every 10 cents it goes up I will make $3,000 dollars...
I need to go and lie down :)
Good luck one and all.
Nancy - buy your stuff from Centennial PM's at www.usagold.com, speak to George, tell him Andy sent you, else another good site is www.ajpm.com in Oregon - they are excellent too.
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), October 17, 1999.
Nancy et all, read this
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), October 17, 1999.
MISSION: TO THE MOON
Here's an update from my last piece, "No Way Out", in which I postulated that the leasing scam in gold and silver would soon come apart and we would have a market event similar to what occurred in the stock market in Oct 1987, which was triggered by "portfolio insurance". Less than two weeks after my article appeared, the gold market was jolted with news that a consortium of European central banks announced that they would cap further gold sales and restrict lending of the metal. Whether you would agree that the explosion in gold prices from the day of the last Bank of England auction qualifies as a market event, the roughly 25% move in gold eerily parallels the 25% move that portfolio insurance caused in the stock market. But that's not the important point - which is that the initial jolt out of the box for gold represents a beginning, rather than the end that portfolio insurance represented. OK, now what?
Before trying to figure what's ahead, I'd like to speculate on what that CB announcement was really all about. If you look at the amounts quoted to be sold and the impromptu unprecedented cooperation of the 15 entities, you can't help but be suspicious of the real motive for the announcement. Of the 2,000 tons pledged to be sold over 5 years, the vast majority was the 1300 ton planned Swiss sale and the 400 tons scheduled to be sold by England. Informed opinion doubts the Swiss sale will ever take place and public opinion may yet cause England to terminated further auctions. So what was the announcement about? It was about leasing - the prime component in the price of gold and silver. More specifically, it was about the unwillingness or inability of the CBs to throw more good metal down the leasing rat hole. This is truly a momentous development. What it was also about was the CBs refusal to believe my contention that there was no way out - only, as I claim, disorderly market conditions and massive collective default. This prospect is unpalatable to the CBs who desire a world of stability and status quo. So, they did what they do best - they tried and are trying to manage an unmanageable situation. Rather than come out and admit their private feelings about the true sad state that leasing has created in the gold and silver markets, they have chosen to pretend that the situation is not that extreme. Rather than admit that the metal supply left to lease is gone, they tried to put themselves ahead of the market event by making it appear it was their choice to terminate leasing. I don't blame them; it's their job.
But it's not your job to accept anything someone says (including me), when the facts and anecdotal evidence point towards more plausible explanations. My bet is that the CBs are going to curtail lending because they are at the bottom of the barrel for new lending supplies. If that's the case, you can take this to the bank - with no new leasing supplies, it is game over. That the leasing con may be ending here should not be a surprise, the real surprise is how it's lasted as long as it has.
Let's take a minute and view the current landscape after the opening volley of the post-lease environment. In gold, we have endless rumors of hedge funds and other shorts in extreme difficulty. Trading is more chaotic and disorderly in gold than at any other time in history. The rapidity of the increase in gold in the days since the announcement has left the natural short sellers in the mining and professional investment community dazed and wounded - some surely mortally. Because this selling of years of production short by miners was not true hedging, as I have contended, but a fatal manipulative experiment - we are experiencing a phenomenon never witnessed in the world before. That phenomenon is the collective mourning and sadness in the mining community over the price rise. Producers not ecstatic over a price rise of their product? Maybe the non-hedgers are jumping for joy, but there is no joy in the short selling miner world. This should be proof positive of the distortions that leasing/forward sales have created. It should show you that leasing is rotten to the core.
But I'm not writing this piece to recap the past week's events. It's time to look forward. There should be no doubt (except by the sleeping watchdogs at the CFTC) that gold had been kept down by short selling. Just the smallest amount of pressure on the shorts has resulted in outsized gains. This is just the start. But no matter how explosive the action gets in gold (and I think it will come to take your breath away) - this will pale in comparison to the mega atomic explosion we will soon witness in silver. What we are about to see in silver will dominate market history and folklore that will be referenced for decades to come. That there is still time to take advantage of it is the unintended and unavoidable consequence of this century's greatest manipulation. But the time is very short until the truth becomes obvious in silver. And as quickly as the $260 per ounce opportunity in gold vanished, the world will soon know in a flash that the 5 or 6 dollar silver available for decades will never exist again. I say this clearly - it is now or never for you to complete your silver purchase plans.
How can I be so sure? Because of what is happening in gold. Because it has to happen - there is no other way. Think of how crazy this lease business has become. Here we are at $300 gold, and the gold world is coming apart at the seams. What would happen at 400 or 600 or 800? I'll tell you what happens, as I've been telling you in every single article I've ever written - massive default. But silver - oh silver - that scares even me. It's almost too extreme to analyze in a non-emotional manner. I find my mind shuts off and wanders when I let my natural logical thought patterns flow - much like a computer crashes when there are too many applications running. I find myself (me - the bull of all bulls) pulling back from the certain ending I see dead ahead, because it is extreme beyond experience. But when I see the trouble that $300 gold has caused, I know it can't be long before silver starts the nuclear fission price process.
That's because the silver price has been manipulated for way too long by leasing and the excessive short selling of paper contracts that have no backing whatsoever. In fact, the only thing holding silver back from its date with destiny is massive new short selling by entities that have not a prayer of fulfilling their soon to be called on demands for actual delivery. Just this week on the COMEX, on the day silver rose 40 cents, 80 million more paper ounces were sold short (futures and call options), bringing the total short position on the COMEX to over 700 million ounces. This is insane and criminal. How the CFTC and the COMEX can allow new gasoline to be thrown on the silver fire, when it's obvious to all that gold is already ablaze, will constitute great debate in the coming great silver lawsuits in the new century. Ask yourself this - who in their right mind would sell massive amounts of silver that is not owned in this environment? There is only one plausible answer to that question - someone that had no choice. Only someone who would face certain ruin if he didn't sell. Let me be as clear as I can be - the short sellers of silver this week were the NY banks and financial institutions who were already short. They had to sell more to protect their existing paper shorts. If silver were a free market, the 80 million new ounces sold this week should have been sold for 7 or 10 or 12 dollars per ounce, because that is what the buyers would have paid if they had to. The sellers in silver this week didn't do what free market sellers do, namely, they didn't try to get the best price. They did something else - they capped the market. It is the surest sign of manipulation and criminal activity. But the manipulators have little choice - it's either sell still more millions of ounces of silver they know they can't come up with in ten lifetimes, or watch the worldwide short silver position of billions of ounces get sucked into the gold fire. It is this unbridled desperation and manipulation to the last possible moment that is creating this last chance to nail down silver purchases by you.
There is nothing on earth that can stop the silver eruption once it begins. The only hope the trapped commercial shorts have is to delay the start - for a day, a week, or a month. The only thing that can delay the inevitable is perversely, more shorting. That the CFTC and COMEX management is allowing this to happen brings great shame to those institutions. Let me offer one step to them that should be taken immediately. An order should be issued now that new sellers must document ownership of actual silver. With a current short position above any possible amount available in the real world, allowing new short selling that is only intended to suppress the price is outrageous. While some might claim my suggestion is self- serving, let me answer this way - how does allowing more naked selling help the situation. The only cure for a manipulation is to end it. The problem of default is not created on the day the default becomes visible - it was created on the day the non-performing short sale took place. That's why the CFTC and COMEX must act now. We don't need them to tell us the shorts can't deliver - we need them to act now and stop new manipulative short selling.
Sure, these NY banks and financial companies are the masters of the universe. But they made the wrong bet. Gold and silver can't be controlled forever. Their new shorts in silver may buy them some time - they could force technical liquidation and drive the price of silver lower temporarily - maybe even down to 5 or below. But so what? Just make sure your purchases will not be shaken from you in that event. Don't let them trick you with another one of their engineered sell-offs.
Gold is a multi-stage rocket that has maybe used up its first stage - there's a lot more to be ignited on this journey. Silver is different. Silver is not any rocket. Silver is the Saturn V used in the Apollo Mission to the moon. The biggest, baddest, most awesomely powerful rocket ever produced. The masters of manipulation can't let this baby lift off - it will knock them out of the game forever. But the countdown is over, ignition has been activated, and the fuel is starting to burn. We're in that twilight zone that only lasts a few seconds, but seems an eternity - the time between when we see the flames and the rocket starts to move. The engines are pouring out flames and billowing clouds of steam - yet the rocket doesn't budge. Despite the greatest creation of thrust ever developed, the mass of the rocket is so great it seems to defy the laws of physics and does not move. But you know it will. That's where we are in silver. Those few seconds of delay in the Saturn lift-off may translate into a day, a week, a month in silver. But don't be fooled by any twilight zone appearance of delay in lift-off. Get your ticket and pack your bags - we're going to the moon.
October 2, 1999
-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), October 17, 1999.