OT Gotta License? "I ask him why? He reply..."cause you gotta have a license

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I received this email today...

Ever sit down and calculate all the permission licenses you need from the Government, along with the cost?

You even need a License to get married!

What other license do you need? ------------------------------------------------------------------

Post Number 145: National ID Card

Freedom? How free are you, really? Ever wonder about that, or about some of the rumors you hear being bandied about? Well, you are about to learn, first hand, what the real nature of the United States government (a corporation in bankruptcy and under the control of the International Monetary Fund) is. This is not a pretty picture, but what is coming is what amounts to an internal passport, where you will have to show your approved ID for travel, for work, and for any other activity, such as banking, that you now foolishly take for granted. Welcome, to a brave new world. Oh, and as you read this first part, please note that license is simply another word for tax.


Last fall, as I was preparing to go on my annual 10-day, Montana elk hunt, I learned that I would have to obtain a brand inspection for the donkey I had purchased to pack gear - this license because I would cross county lines, and I might be deemed a "rustler" without it. So, it suddenly occurred to me to count up the necessary licenses, without which I couldn't make the hunting trip.

1. Drivers license

2. Motor vehicle title (pickup)

3. Motor vehicle registration

4. Motor vehicle license and plates

5. Trailer # 1 (haul camp gear) title

6. Trailer # 1 registration

7. Trailer # 1 license and plate

8. Trailer # 2 (carry donkey) title

9. Trailer # 2 registration

10. Trailer # 2 license and plate

11. Conservation license

12. Elk hunting license

13. Deer hunting license

14. State lands access permit

15. Forest Service firewood cutting permit

16. Donkey transport permit and bill of sale (brand inspection)

As I was traveling slowly (with two trailers) down the road headed for

hunting camp, I was counting up these government permissions, and

realized that I had even more permits in my wallet.

1. Concealed weapon carry permit

2. Private pesticide applicator's license

3. Commercial pesticide applicator's license

4. Voter registration permit

Then it occurred to me to think of the other permits that I had at homethat are critical to my daily existence.

1. Business license (to be in business for myself)

2. Occupancy permit for my home, including these permits I had to get to build my home:

a. zoning and comprehensive plan compliance permit

b. building permit

c. excavation permit

d. septic permit

e. electrical permit

f. foundation permit

3. Lobbyist permit (to lobby the Legislature to uphold the Constitution)

I am told that the necessary laws are already passed to require every person to have and carry an internal passport, smart card driver's license, by October 1st of 2,000. Then, a person will need to obtain government permission to travel, and probably to breathe. Best wishes,

Gary S. Marbut, President Montana Shooting Sports Association


-- Mark Hillyard (foster@inreach.com), October 09, 1999


Response to OT Gotta License? "I ask him why? He reply..."cause you gotta have a license

Welcome to the land of the fee and the home of the slave. But look at the bright side, Mark, when the global governance authority supercedes these functions (as they already have on many 'biosphere' issues), you'll hardly notice it. The industrial revolution has been supplanted not by an information revolution but by a Mangerial Revolution, as per James Burnhardt's thesis. The lifeblood of a managed society is legislation, and lots of it, as well as the enforcement capability. The solution is mass-disobedience, civil but resolute. Of course, attempts to organize such movements draw governmental ire; in the case of the inland revenue, this can be injurious to one's health. Of course, defenders of this system will ask: do you want to return to the anarchy of the 1950's? Come to think of it, maybe that wouldn't be so bad. At least in 1955 Hemingway's boyhood hunting and camping stories weren't considered Samizdat.

-- Spidey (in@jam.ouch), October 09, 1999.

Nice post on licenses and how they've permeated every aspect of our society. One thing to remember is that a license is a "privilege" granted by the state or controlling authority that you're dealing with. It's important to know that when you've been granted a license, you're accepted their de facto authority over you. Mostpeople don't know that a marriage license is a three way contract between a man, woman and THE STATE! This reason (besides a birth certificate) is why a child can be removed from a home. The state presumes an equal title to the property (your child) as much as you do. Also, that's why the state education depts. have "assessment tests", they are constantly assessing the value of their property aka YOUR CHILD!

-- FRREEEEEEDDOOOOOOOOMMM! (JB@hotmail.com), October 09, 1999.

You made some great points about federal and state licensing requirements.

The attempt to get a national ID card has been recently thwarted by the Senate and House just a couple of weeks ago. (Oct 1)

BUT....that does not mean that it won't be attempted again.

October first 2000 is still the date that they are shooting for, and I'm sure fedgov.org will do whatever it takes to ram it down our throats.

-- ActionBill (actionbil@aol.com), October 09, 1999.

I read an essay by a man who was a Marine stationed as an embassy guard in Costa Rica. He is an avid fisherman, and took all of his gear with him so he could enjoy the tropical stream fishing.

He repeatedly inquired as to where he could obtain a fishing license. He was repeated met with blank stares. No one knew what he was talking about. In frustration, he went to a representative of teh central government and demanded to know how he could be permitted to fish in the countryside.

The answer: Go fish!

He was so conditioned to the thought of having to have permission, it didn't occur to him that the Costa Rican government didn't require it. He then understood how much freedom we have lost.


-- Man From Uncle 1999 (mfu1999@hotmail.com), October 09, 1999.

Response to OT Gotta License? "I ask him why? He reply..."cause you gotta have a license

Good illustration, that, about Costa Rica. That seems to be a preferred destination for the growing number of emigres. We willingly bind ourselves with shackles. I always recomment Gerry Spence's book 'From Freedom to Slavery,' and of course anything by James Brovard. The fight going on now out West, over the rebuilding of a road, which required diverting of a river BACK TO ITS NATURAL BED, will be interesting to watch.

-- Spidey (in@jam.mango), October 09, 1999.

The situtaion has become quite impossible in rural communities. We have crossed the threshold where we are no longer capable of obeying the law. Why? (1) Compliance with the law is beyond our financial, educational, technical and other resource capabilities (costs of professional environmental studies, mitigations, etc.); (2) The law contradicts itself - There are so many that two agencies will command two entirely conflicting actions; (3) The law is written in such a manner as to rely on field interpretation - making it arbitrary and capricious; (4) The law is written in such technical terms that few understand it; (5) The law changes too rapidly and is not easily accessible to anyone - Not even law enforcement knows what the current law is, whether it has been challenged in court, etc. and (6) The process takes too long. (When you grow food, mother nature does not wait.)

Our Board of Supervisors has repeatedly testified that the current laws "Make criminals of us all."

The problem is that the "majority" makes laws either appropriate to their urban/suburban circumstances, but not to a rural area; or applicable to rural areas in which they do not live. A fundamental precept is that the people who make laws MUST always have to live under them. (People in Connecticut should never make laws applicable only to the citizens of Pocatello Idaho.)

Although the organization for which I work would never support any action in violation of the law, there are several trends growing to deal with the above situation. (1) Ignore the law and hold your breath hoping you don't get caught; (2) Shoot, shovel and shut-up; (3) Jury nullification (where local juries rebel against jusicial instructions and won't convict on certain laws); (3) Form commissions to review locally controlled laws and recommend for removal; (4) refuse entry on property to anyone without a warrant; (5) use a cell phone tree to call and muster neighbors to show up en mass when an agency person arrives on anyone's property; (6) Take the law into your own hands by community or "mob" action; and (7) Work with agencies to find resasonable "in the field/on the ground" compromise. (These are usually challenged by enviros in court.)

THIS IS AN ENORMOUS ISSUE. The law has become so unreasonable that it becomes dead words. The frustration and sense of betrayal this builds among people who WANT to be law abiding but cannot is a travesty.

To see how one small community is handling such an issue, see articles on the Elko "Road Story."


http://www.ElkoDaily.com/Article_detail_display.cfm?ID=4882&Articletyp eid=1

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty/19991008_xnjdo_nevada_l aw.shtml

-- marsh (armstrng@sisqtel.net), October 09, 1999.

Most excellent news. I approve of ANYTHING that makes life more difficult for hunters.

-- (keep@em.coming), October 09, 1999.

Dear keepem@coming:

Those horible hunters are responsible for more conservation of species than you can count. UNLESS you are CURRENTLY working IN THE WILD to assist species, you have not done ANYWHERE near what the lawful hunters have done for conservation, and I daresay, have NO CLUE as to proactive conservation.


-- jes a huntin footballer (nighttr@in.lane), October 09, 1999.

Actually, what we need to happen is *an information revolution*.... in the place of what is about to occur.

Read "the Sovereign Individual" by James Dale Davidson and Lord William Rees-Mogg.

Of course, this will not be allowed to occur....however, one can fantasize...

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), October 09, 1999.

Actually, what we need to happen is *an information revolution*.... in place of what is about to occur.

Read "the Sovereign Individual" by James Dale Davidson and Lord William Rees-Mogg.

Of course, this will not be allowed to occur....however, one can fantasize...

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), October 09, 1999.

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