OT: About 50 Contrails over Salt Lake City, Provo and Ogden this morning! Lasted several hours!

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Made by Military planes going from West to East. Wonder what they are up to. They lasted for at least 3 hours! Hack....cough!!!!

-- freddie (freddie@thefreeloader.com), September 18, 1999


Given the frequency with which these contrails are being reported (and photographed) and how they seem to make folks kinda ill that are exposed to whatever they're spraying, I can't help but wonder if they're doing some form of mass innoculation. Against what is anyone's guess but NBC agents would be reasonable. I mean, if the gubmint is as worried in private as they are hinting in public about terrorist activities against the US and want to mass-protect the populace without spooking the majority, what better way than via cropdusting everyone city by city with vaccine?

Of course the gubmint is equally likely to have a more sinister motive, I know, but it just struck me that the whole contrail thing might be a mass innoculation against several of the more common NBC weapons.

The guy that doesn't know (and thinks that might be for the best) WHAT the hell is really going on, known as...

-- OddOne (mocklamer_1999@yahoo.com), September 18, 1999.

My dad was one of the top three research chemists at General Dynamics in Tx and was involved in the development of jet fuels and the fuels used by the shuttle. He also near the end of his career became involved in the attempt to clean up the lake next to the facility.

My dad suffered serious long term, non reversible, nerve damage as a result of the chemicals he worked with.

I'd personally be inclined to believe they have some new additive to the fuel that is making folks sick, but that this additive has nothing to do with either evil or benevolent intent. Just the typical short-sighted engineering done on a daily basis in this country.

-- Shelia (Shelia@active-stream.com), September 18, 1999.


Do you have gas masks and extra filters?

Stock up on them if you feel threatened.

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), September 18, 1999.

Please DO stock up on gasmasks, tinfoilers! you will need them after the piles and mounds of BEANS you will be consuming.


-- Super Polly (Fu_Q_y2kfreaks@hotmail.com), September 18, 1999.

Sheila wrote "Just the typical short-sighted engineering done on a daily basis in this country. "

I also think this is interesting. However, I wonder how much we, all of us, are complicit in the short-sightedness of technological intrusion. We buy, we consume, we demand products, services, convenience above all, luxury, comfort, security. We buy and demand, and complain, and we don't ask too many questions as to how it is all to come about. I think the enemy is no farther than the closest mirror.

-- Count Vronsky (vronsky@anna.com), September 18, 1999.

Having flown in military jets, I can tell you: IT'S WATER VAPOR!

-- lparks (lparks@eurekanet.com), September 18, 1999.

lparks; water vapor is water vapor. It EVAPORATES. It doesn't:

1. grow into long wide clouds which are carried by the wind

2. start and stop and then start up again trailing behind the plane

3. in some cases, produce a brown sticky substance on the ground

Dig a little deeper to see REALITY.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), September 18, 1999.

"1. grow into long wide clouds which are carried by the wind

2. start and stop and then start up again trailing behind the plane

3. in some cases, produce a brown sticky substance on the ground"

Forget the gasmasks. That sounds like off-gassing [or worse!] from the pilots! Get out your parka's men, theres turds dropping from them thar skies!

-- (n.skdtlv@,nseruytp9234.np2v58g2p93tb), September 18, 1999.

The contrails spread out by the wind and were visible for over 3 hours. This cannot be water vapor! They were visible in the sky as far as the eye could see, about 70 miles between Ogden, Salt Lake City and Provo, Utah!

-- freddie (freddie@thefreeloader.com), September 18, 1999.

The same thing is going oin in England freddie.

Connected? I think so.

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), September 18, 1999.

Maybe the signifigant part of this post isn't what's coming (or not) out of the planes, but why 50 or more military aircraft are headed East. 2 days after the Russians made a run at our airspace with a couple of bombers that we had to scramble fighter interceptors on. 3 days after the Pentagon had to admit the Russians have broken completely through the firewalls of the DOD computer system. Less than a week since the revalations that the Russians have planted weapons and explosives caches all over our country. A week after the IMF and the Clinton adminstration decided to throw Yeltsin to the wolves after reaching the conclusion he just won't stay bought. A friend of mine reports his destroyer sailed out of Diego earlier this week without most of its crew, who were on leave. Another friend reports a severe shortage of coins and currency in his locale on the northern west coast (He runs a vennding business) that has been escalating for the last three weeks to the point he cannot get enough change to stock his machines and the banks are hounding him for metal coins. Methinks something really bad may happen on the West Coast pretty soon.

-- Nikoli Krushev (doomsday@y2000.com), September 18, 1999.

Contrails over Alberta, two-three every hour, north to south on Friday Sept. 17, high altitude airforce traffic, Some bomber types not to fast, others very fast. Somethings going on. Contrails are frozen water vapor, etc in upper atmosphere at -50+ temperatures.....

-- charlie (chaspark@ccinet.ab.ca), September 19, 1999.

OR, people on this post need to dig a little deeper. Contrails, by and of themselves, are water vapor. Look it up in the dictionary. That was the title of this topic. What you, and others may be discribing may be jet fuel exhaust. Yes, it could stay up there if winds aloft are calm. Otherwise, if it was another type of vapor, it just won't "hang" around up there for 2-3 hours. The brown substance, could be the same, or else jet fuel that is sometimes dumped.

I know it's not worth pursuing this. The paranoid factor is just to high. Wild Weasel, any support on this?

-- lparks (lparks@eurekanet.com), September 19, 1999.

It most definitely is worth pursuing. There is paranoia reigning rampant and there is treachery abounding.

Get used to it. And look up in the sky once in a while. Re-acquaint yourself with what real contrails look like and do. Watch a plane at 30,000 feet lay a contrail. I see them all the time. They pretty much act the same. Some dissapate very rapidly, and some break up and dissipate a little slower, taking maybe several minutes. BUT THEY DO DISSIPATE.

Then, if you're lucky, one day you will see a chemtrail being laid. The trail starts, then stops and starts up again. Sorta like dash-dot- dash. The plane U turns in the sky above and starts "spraying" again, then stops. Only this stuff doesn't dissipate like a normal contrail. It spreads out, gets cloud-like, making horse whisps and haze, then it starts to move like a cloud. After you've seen that, I want you to come back on this board and tell me you just saw icecrystals.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), September 19, 1999.

or, jet exhaust.

-- OR (orwelliator@biosys.net), September 19, 1999.

OR, I see it all the time, just like you're saying. Ice crystals.


-- Al K. Lloyd (all@ready.now), September 20, 1999.

Yeah, they wouldn't be plunkin down trails so they could track wind currents or anything like that. naw, it MUST be more sinister than that. maybe its the CONTRAILS that are causing the shortage of metal coins. OR it could be the tinfoils, stockpiling hats "in case of the worst" Gawd how maudline...

-- (oh@oh.watchoutforcontrails.ohpuhleez), September 20, 1999.

I publish a newsleter- Trends and Predictions Analyst-- With your permission - may I send you a recent copy? I have an article on the chemtrails that I think you would like... Seems traces of bubonic plague have allegedly been found in samples of the chemtrail "stuff" that floats to the ground...

My theory is that there is a comnnection with the toxins of the "chemtrail stuff" and the worldwide inoculation of military personnel with anthrax cvaccine... Also - with some towns experiencing mass illnes - and some deaths (all in the article I can send) - electronically via email... I theorize that the chemical spraying has something to do with a "thinning" of the world's population-- a sort of extermination program ( or pogrom) -- no direct evidence of this - all circumstantial -- but nonetheless -- I think the chemtrail enigma needs to be looked at from all angles-- a multdisciplined research: political, economic, and demographic-- with military and economic overtones...

I thank you for your interest. Patrick O'Connell Albuquerque, NM (the chemtrails are a regular feature of our skies - here-- seems "they" whoever "they" are have some connection to the DIA - Defense Intelligence Agency-- according to facts disclosed to me by an acquaintance.......

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