you kids still don't get it do you? i keep reading references to "shelters" with people saying they won't be going to shelters. exactley what shelters are you not going to go to? the shelters that were there for the latest hurricane victims? the "shelters", for the majority of people affected by floyd consisted of their respective cars and trucks. there aren't any shelters folks, certainly not for the collective population of any remotely large city. you're gonna have to face this one on your own. if it gets as bad as some of you think it might there will be no shelters, no police, no army, no food, no water, no shoes, no shirt, no service.

fear is a great motivator. try to contain your fears to plausible scenarios. they will be no knock on the door in the dead of night ordering you to a shelter cause they aren'

-- corrine l (corrine@iwaynet.net), September 18, 1999

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-- c (not@shelter.now), September 18, 1999.

Corrine--You may be right about the shelters, because people will be in their homes when the power goes out. However, fire will no doubtly break out in apartment buildings and homes from people trying to stay warm or from candles and oil lamps. Those people will have to relocate to shelters IF personnel are available. Then you'll have the thugs and gangs terrorizing the hood. If martial law is put into effect, gangs will be arrested and no doubt they'll be placed in some type of armed shelter. I think though it would be more economical for the police to just shoot them and be done with it. Y2K will hit in the dead of winter and no doubt, there will be people who will freeze to death even though they have shelter. There may be a knock on your door in the dead of night, someone like the National Guard requesting your food stash and a search of your home, and that is a plausible scenario. Hide your supplies well and not all in one location.

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), September 18, 1999.

I agree with you corrine, people aren't going to be forced to go to a shelter. If Y2k really hits hard, then there won't be enough shelters to go around.

Shelters will be used more as a political statement, as proof that our government is responding to the emergency.

-- Mabel Dodge (cynical@me.net), September 18, 1999.

Hell No, We Won't Go !!

good points, corrine1, c, bardou. Watching the Hurricane lessons ...

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), September 18, 1999.

Bardou, "There may be a knock on your door in the dead of night, someone like the National Guard requesting your food stash and a search of your home, and that is a plausible scenario."

Equally plausible is that guardsmen doing that will have all been shot long before they get to my door. Americans are only complacent sheep when they are fat and happy. If they are scared and angry they'll often react violently.

-- Gus (y2kk@usa.net), September 18, 1999.

yup-would have to agree that the national guard wouldn't survive long around here requesting peoples food and supplies- they'd make good livestock food for the pigs tho-

-- farmer (hillsidefarm@drbs.net), September 18, 1999.

Understand tho you could probably reason w/ the guard. They, for the most part are college kids in it for the money. I don't see the attempted Federalization of the guard working out. Most of them will bolt and run at the first sign of anything, and rarely do they get ammo issued to them. I'd more think that the regular army is what to watch for. These guard pukes tellin tale about 'secret orders to assemble for martial law' is a bunch of smoke. The poor shmos just want to have a self-important ego boost as the regular ride them so hard for being part time and worthless. (Not that all of them are worthless, but the "never served a day of active duty" guardsters are absolutely beyond worthless. former regulars know the drill and can be forgiven for the stupidity of the others)

-- Billy-Boy (Rakkasn@Yahoo.com), September 18, 1999.

Gus, your right about that, my concern is not the NG, it's the thugs and gangs that make it up my way. I'm hoping that people between me and town do them in before they get to us. But if they don't I am prepared for that too.

-- bardou (bardou@baloney.com), September 18, 1999.

Have to agree there is no organized threat of "camps" being set up. We evacuated due to Floyd. Wound up on the Fla. Gulf Coast. They were unprepared, they had a hurried Town meeting and opened their Lion's Club. We slept in the car, but had a bathroom, water and coffee. Maybe would have been more convenient if they had barracks with beds. We slept in the car, more comfortable than sleeping on a floor. Folks, you have to wonder if someone like Saddam ain't "feeding this frenzy".

-- Nana (drac@mediaone.net), September 18, 1999.

corrine:

Helter Shelter, na na na na na na na, Helter Shelter.

It's coming down fast... yes, it is...

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), September 19, 1999.

From: Y2K, ` la Carte by Dancr near Monterey, California

corrine1 said: ...exactley what shelters are you not going to go to?

Exactley!! [sic] If there are no shelters, and I'm told that I'm being taken to a shelter, then I'm not going willingly. I will look for my first chance to escape. And if I do somehow end up at one of these non-existent shelters, I will still do my darndest to escape.

-- Dancr (addy.available@my.webpage), September 20, 1999.