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I'm taking 100.00 out of my cash stash right now, and sending it to this man. He'll be killed, of course. Though healthy, he'll have a heart attack. Or he'll die in a plane crash (maybe the propeller of his plane will fall off, like that of Bob Barr's plane after he denounced Clinton on the floor of the Senate). Maybe he'll end up with a mysterious bullet hole in the top of his skull, like Ron Brown. Or maybe he'll shoot himself in the mouth (perhaps miraculously leaving a bloodless hand and gun, as did Vincent Foster). Maybe, when they've killed all the important people, they'll come for the little guys like me. But I'd rather be dead than be a part of the sick, evil criminal conspiracy that is infecting our nation. If there is even one voice in government that is telling the truth, then there is hope. If you feel the same, send this guy some money, and send him your prayers. He's putting his life on the line for your freedom.

Congressman Ron Paul 837 W. Plantation Clute, TX 77531 1 800 RON PAUL 9-15-99 Dear Friend: The other day, I made a huge "gaffe" on national TV: I told the truth about the crimes of the U.S. government. As you can imagine, the ceiling fell in, and a couple of walls too. Congressmen are supposed to support the government, I was told. Oh, it's okay to criticize around the edges, but there are certain subjects a member of the House of Representatives is not supposed to bring up. But I touched the real "third-rail" of American politics, and the sparks sure flew. I was interviewed on C-SPAN's morning "Washington Journal," and I used the opportunity, as I do all such media appearances, to point out how many of our liberties have been stolen by the federal government. We must take them back. The Constitution, after all, has a VERY limited role for Washington, D.C. If we stuck to the Constitution as written, we would have: no federal meddling in our schools; no Federal Reserve; no U.S. membership in the UN; no gun control; and no foreign aid. We would have no welfare for big corporations, or the "poor"; no American troops in 100 foreign countries; no NAFTA, GATT, or "fast-track"; no arrogant federal judges usurping states rights; no attacks on private property; and no income tax. We could get rid of most of the cabinet departments, most of the agencies, and most of the budget. The government would be small, frugal, and limited. That system is called liberty. It's what the Founding Fathers gave us. Under liberty, we built the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most decent country on earth. It's no coincidence that the monstrous growth of the federal government has been accompanied by a sickening decline in living standards and moral standards. The feds want us to be hamsters on a treadmill -- working hard, all day long, to pay high taxes, but otherwise entirely docile and controlled. The huge, expensive, and out-of-control leviathan that we call the federal government wants to run every single aspect of our lives. Well, I'm sorry, but that's not America. It's not what the Founders gave us. It's not the country you believe in. It's not the country I believe in. So, on that TV interview, I emphasized not only the attacks on our property, but also the decline of our civil liberties, at the hands of the federal police. There are not supposed to be ANY federal police, according to the Constitution. Then I really went over the line. I talked about the Waco massacre.Bill Clinton and Janet Reno claim those 81 church members, including 19 children, burned down their own church and killed themselves, and good riddance. So they put the few survivors on trial, and threw them in prison for 40 years. We're not supposed to remember that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms -- talk about an unconstitutional agency -- rather than arrest David Koresh on his regular morning jog, called in the TV stations for a big publicity bonanza, and sent a swat team in black masks and black uniforms to break down his front door, guns blazing. They also sent in a helicopter gunship, to shoot at the roof of a church full of innocents. The Branch Davidians resisted, and after a heartless siege of almost two months, and after cutting off food, water, and electricity, and playing horrible rock and roll through huge speakers 24 hours a day, the feds sent in the tanks to crush the walls of the church, and inject poisonous CS gas. Now, CS gas is banned under the Paris Convention on Chemical Warfare. The U.S. could not use it in a war. But it could and did use it against American civilians. After the tanks did their work on the church, the place burst into flame, and all 81 people -- men, women, children, and babies--were incinerated in a screaming horror. Did some feds set the fire? Did the flammable CS gas ignite, since without electricity, the parishioners were using lanterns? Did a tank knock over a lantern, striking one of the bales of hay being used against the thin walls as a "defense" against bullets? or did the Davidians, as Clinton and Reno claim, kill themselves? A new documentary -- Waco: The Rules of Engagement -- may show, through FLIR infrared photography, FBI snipers killing the Davidians by shooting through the back of the church, where no media cameras were allowed. This film won a prize at the famed Sundance Film Festival. It was made by people who took the government's side, until they investigated. Whatever the truth, there's no question that an irresponsible federal government has innocent blood on its hands, and not only from Waco. And the refusal of corrupt and perverse liberals to admit it means nothing. In my TV interview, in answer to a caller's question, I pointed out that Waco, and the federal murders at Ruby Ridge -- especially the FBI sniper's shot that blasted apart the head of a young mother holding her baby -- caused many Americans to live in fear of federal power. Then I uttered the sentiment that caused the media hysteria: I said that a lot of Americans fear that they too might be attacked by federal swat teams for exercising their constitutional rights, or merely for wanting to be left alone. Whoa! You've never seen anything like it. For days, in an all-out assault, I was attacked by Democrats, unions, big business, establishment Republicans, and -- of course -- the media, in Washington and my home state of Texas. Newspapers foamed at the mouth, calling me a "right-wing extremist." (Say, isn't that what George III called Thomas Jefferson?) I was even blamed for the Oklahoma City bombing! And by the way, I don't believe we've gotten the full truth on that either. All my many opponents were outraged that a Congressman would criticize big government. "If you don't like Washington, resign!" said a typical big-city newspaper editorial. But the media, as usual, were all wet. (Do they ever get ANYTHING right?) The average Congressman may go to Washington to wallow in power, and line his pockets with a big lobbying job for a special interest (so he can keep ripping-off the taxpayers). But that's not why I'm in Congress. It's not why I left my medical practice as a physician. It's not why I put up with all the abuse. It's not why I refuse a plush Congressional pension. I'm in this fight for a reason. I want to hand on to my children and grandchildren, and to you and your family, a great and free America, an America true to her Constitution, an America worthy of her history. I will not let the crooks and clowns and criminals have their way. I'm in Congress to represent the ideas of liberty, the ideas that you and I share, for the people of my district, for the people of Texas, for the people of America. That's why I'm working to stop federal abuses, and to cut the government: its taxes, its bureaucrats, its paramilitary police, its spending, its meddling overseas, and every single unconstitutional action it takes. And not with a pair of nail scissors, but with a hammer and chisel. Won't you help me do this work? Not much of the federal leviathan would be left, if I had my way. But you'd be able to keep the money you earn, your privacy would be secure, your dollar would be sound, your local school would be tops, and your kids wouldn't be sent off to some useless or vicious foreign war to fight for the UN. But Jefferson and the other Founders would recognize our government, and our descendants would bless us. By the way, when I say cut taxes, I don't mean fiddle with the code. I mean abolish the income tax and the IRS, and replace them with NOTHING. Recently, I asked a famous Republican committee chairman -- who's always talking about getting rid of the IRS -- why he engineered a secret $580 million raise for the tax collectors. "They need it for their computers," this guy told me. So the IRS can't extract enough from us as it is! The National Taxpayers Union says I have the highest pro-taxpayer rating in Congressional history, that I am the top "Taxpayer's Best Friend." You know I won't play the Capitol Hill games with the Capitol Hill gang, denouncing the IRS while giving the gestapo more of your money. or figuring out some other federal tax for them to squeeze out of you. I also want to abolish the Federal Reserve, and send Alan Greenspan out to get a job. The value of our dollar and the level of our interest rates are not supposed to be manipulated by a few members of the power elite meeting secretly in a marble palace. The Federal Reserve is unconstitutional, pure and simple. The only Constitutional money is gold and silver, and notes redeemable in them. Not Fed funny money. Without the Federal Reserve, our money could not be inflated, at the behest of big government or big banks. Your income and savings would not lose their value. Just as important, we wouldn't have this endless string of booms and busts, recessions and depressions, with each bust getting worse. They aren't natural to the free market; they're caused by the schemers at the Fed. President Andrew Jackson called the 19th-century Fed "The Monster" because it was a vehicle for inflation and all sorts of special-interest corruption. Let me tell you, things haven't changed a bit. I also work to save our schools from D.C. interference. Thanks to the feds, new curriculums not only smear the Founders as "racist, slave-owning elitists," they seek to dumb down our students so they will all be equal. "Look-say" reading and the abolition of phonics has the same purpose, and so does the new "fuzzy" math, in which there are no right and no wrong answers. That must be what they use in the U.S. Treasury! It's certainly what they use in the U.S. Congress. But ever since the beginning of federal aid to education and accelerating with the establishment of the rotten Department of Education, SAT scores have been dropping. Schools, with few exceptions, are getting worse every year. To save our kids, we must get the sticky fingers of the feds off our local schools, and let parents rule. That's what the Constitution says, and the Bible too. And then there's my least favorite foreign topic, the UN. World government is obviously unconstitutional. It undermines our country's sovereignty in the worst way possible. That's why I want us out of the UN, and the UN itself taking a hike. After all, the UN is socialist and corrupt (many votes can be bought with a "blonde and a case of scotch," one UN ambassador once said). It costs many billions, and it puts our soldiers in UN uniforms under foreign commanders, and sends them off to unconstitutional, undeclared wars. When Michael New, one of the finest young men I've ever met, objected to wearing UN blue, he was kicked out of the American Army. What an outrage. Not one dime for the UN, and not one American soldier! Not in Haiti, not in Bosnia, not in Somalia, not in Rwanda. I know it's radical, but how about devoting American military efforts to defending America, and only America? Such ideas, said one newspaper reporter, make me a "maverick who will never go far because he won't 'go along to get along.'" Darn right.What does "go far" mean? Get a big government job? The heck with that. And I won't sell my vote for pork either. When I walked through the U.S. Capitol this morning, I got angry. The building is filled with statues and paintings of Jefferson, Madison, and the other Founders. Those great men sacrificed everything to give us a free country, and a Constitution to keep it that way. When I was first elected, I placed my hand on the Bible and swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. That's exactly what I'm fighting for. But such ideas drive the liberals crazy. That's why I badly need your help. I've been targeted nationally for defeat. The Democrats, the AFL-CIO, the teachers union, big business PACs, the trial lawyers, the big bankers, the foreign-aid .lobbyists, the big media, and the establishment Republicans want to dance on my political grave. The Fed, the Education Department, and the UN are anxious to join in. They can't stand even one person telling the truth. And they're terrified when that truth gains the people's support. Right now, four well-funded Democrats are competing to try to beat me, and a Republican is rumored to have been offered money at a secret meeting in Mexico(!) if he would try to knock me off in a primary. Won't you help me stay up here to fight? Frankly, I'm in trouble if you don't. My Texas district has 22,000 square miles (not a misprint). I've got to travel all over it, set up small offices to be manned by volunteers, advertise, pay phone bills, and distribute video and audio tapes to the people to get around the big-media lies. As I know from my last election, which I won by the skin of my teeth, the media will carry any smear, repeat any libel, throw any piece of mud, no matter how untrue. In fact, the less true, the more they like it. They are determined to silence me. But you can help me overcome all this. Together, we can beat the bad guys arrayed against our country and our freedom. We can support the Constitution. We CAN win. Your generous contribution of $25 or $50 would be great. $100, $250, or even $500 or $1,000 would be magnificent. Of course, any amount would help, and in return, I will keep you up-to-date on this fight as a member of my "kitchen cabinet." What great men founded this country. What great people have carried on their fight. That fight is not lost, not if you will join it. Washington, D.C., is a loser, but among the people, our ideas are gaining EVERY SINGLE DAY. Keep the tide turning in our direction. Please make your most generous contribution. Join this fight for the Constitution, and stop those who want to rip it up, and throw it in the Potomac. Together, we can join the Founders, fight. Together, we can make history. Sincerely, Ron P.S.: Without you, I may be lost, and they'll be breaking out the champagne in D.C. PLEASE, DON'T LET THIS FIGHT FOR THE CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTY FALTER. HELP ME WIN IT.

-- Liberty (, September 17, 1999


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-- Liberty (, September 17, 1999. <:)=

-- Sysman (, September 17, 1999.

I don't mean to patronise anyone here, but just a quick word of caution: Before sending any money off to someone do make a few checks to be sure they are who they say they are and will use the money as they say they will. I have no reason to doubt that Congressman Ron Paul is a fine and trustworthy man trying to fund his political campaign. But...just make sure before sending him any money. That's all.

-- J (j@j.j), September 17, 1999.


-- wackos (, September 17, 1999.


Thanks for the excellent post....Ron Paul is a genueine American patriot. This info provides a good backup for any discussions with any of the brain fogged masses living in La-La land. The only other point I want to make is that we must understand that WAR has been declared on us everyday, common Americans by certain cretins that hate everything we believe in. Unfortunately, their minions and useful idiots that serve them from the news media, entertainment, political and education spectrums have very little idea what terrific damage is being done to our liberty and future. The time long passed for men to stand up and ACT LIKE MEN FOR ONCE! Where are the men with the mettle and courage to stand up for our wives, children and communities? The time to wake up the giant is now! Let's stop wringing our hands and start being men again!

-- saveamerica (, September 17, 1999.

Ron Paul contact details.

-- J (j@j.j), September 17, 1999.

At least during the rpublican years we had the money that was needed to sufficiently equip and train our troops. The Democrats spent so much time worrying over the "Consideration for Others Training" and the "Politically Correct Soldier" training that we now have a bunch of confused, ill-train soldiers who don't know the meaning of war or how to wage it. You know something is wrong when you have to call the State Department in order to get permission to load your M-16 in a firefight. Our effectiveness as a force has been pared down by draft-dodging leaders who have, by the way, led US troops into more combat envioronments than ANY OTHER PRESIDENT IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES!!! Moral is shot, benifits are tanked, and under Klinton, you mention his name in the right circles while BS'n with the grunts, you - might - end up in a hurt locker. Support Ron Paul!!

-- Billy-Boy (, September 17, 1999.

A quick "devil's advocate" question. If you abolish income taxes, and the IRS, and dismantle loads of federal structures, then where does the money come from to fund the military? And isn't the military itself a big federal structure, which ought to be broken up and disbanded? In which case who defends the country? Sorry, that was sort of 3 questions in 1.

-- J (j@j.j), September 17, 1999.


I agree totaly, and Bob Barr is still alive.

Watch six and keep your...

-- eyes_open (, September 17, 1999.

There are alternatives to an income tax that has you working for a corrupt, bloated Federal government for four months out of every twelve. If we were paying only for the services that the government is ALLOWED to provide under the Constitution, we wouldn't even notice a federal tax, it would be so small. And that money would go into a wealth-producing economy, not siphoned into the coffers of the top .2%o of the population by government means.


-- Liberty (, September 17, 1999.

Sorry, that wasn't very clear: by "that money," I mean the money saved by reigning in Federal government to a Constitutionally mandated scale, not "that money" given to provide for the common defense.


-- Liberty (, September 17, 1999.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Providing for the common defense...what a novel idea. We need to scrap the bloated Jabba-esque Govern-mental systems in favor of a more level and equal dealing sort. Unfortunately, as power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely...Stuff like this makes me wish the tinfoils were right and that the lil green men'd take me away. At this rate, I don't even think I'd mind a anal probe...probably wouldn't even notice...

-- Sitting on a barstool (with my asscheeks@touching.the floor), September 17, 1999.

look,s like it,s gone from=GOD BLESS AMERICA--TO--GOD,S GONE AMERICA. while a generation party,d hardy---the wolf got in the sheep-pen. prayer folk,s-serious-soul searching-honest-heartbroken-prayer. maybe it,s not to i said GOD ain,t nobody,s fool.

-- are you surprised???? (, September 17, 1999.


Before there was an IRS or an income tax the Federal Government was funded by tariffs as it was empowered in the Constitution.

-- Dan Cooper (dcooper@somewhere.else), September 18, 1999.

Liberty, Ron Paul is an OK person in my opinion as well. I've received some email responses in re:to emails I sent during the Kosovo bombing. It's funny you mentioned that about Bob Barr, I hadn't heard about that propeller incident. The one I heard about was Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma who had a similar incident in May( piloting his personal plane)the day Clinton showed up in Oklahoma after the May 3rd tornado, Inhofe was supposed to meet with him and FEMA head DeWitt but had a little propeller incident on the way. Made a brief story here in Oklahoma. Jim Inhofe had also been active in criticizing the Clinton administration's actions in Kosovo and had been vocal in the Senate. guess it's just a coincidence???

-- Barb (, September 18, 1999.

I might point out to others reading this thread a warning. Each of you should be very carefull before sending money to a cause you stumble across on the web. Many requests are simply scams seeking to separate you from your cash. But, others might seek to market or otherwise exploit any info you might send. Remember, your e-mail address, bank account number and/or credit card number are quite as valuable to others as they are to you.

Sending money to a cause you hear about on the WWW is like sending money to an address you might read on the toilet wall in the bus station lounge. In other words, you might want to count to ten before you dial that number. At least thoroughly investigate each source before even corresponding through e-mail. Do not assume that other posters who validate a particular cause are objective bystanders. Like any other references you receive from a possible con-artist, they may be part of the scam or paid contibutors. Also, a 1-800 number is not an endorsement by the Phone company - lots of con-artists start out with such a number.

Disclaimer: The Ron P. cause could be just what this country needs. On the other hand, it might not be. Your mileage may vary.


-- Uhmm.. (, September 21, 1999.

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