And who is cpr and what does he believe? Does anyone here know?

I'm just trying to understand.

Thanks.

-- lil'ol (me@me.me), September 15, 1999

Answers

Hello? Is everybody at dinner, or is this really a dumb question?

-- lil'ol (me@me.me), September 15, 1999.

lil'ol,

You followed CEEPER's directive to post these questions here. Suggest you follow further and check russkelly.com for his offical op. The real answer lies in his now lost posts on Debunker One. Pity it "failed" costing all of us a treasure to be sure.

-- Carlos (riffraff1@cybertime.net), September 15, 1999.

Carlos,

I have no idea what you just said. I don't understand the code.

cpr has a biography somewhere? Where, and under what name?

I'm sorry but I really am lost.

-- lil'ol (me@me.me), September 15, 1999.

lil'ol,

If this is a serious question, there are all kinds of "pollys." cpr hangs on a forum that takes a totally opposite view of Y2K than we do. I don't think it's a very serious view. They come here, make fun of us, and call us nuts.

Others, like Flint and Hoff, I think really do believe that Y2K will be minimal. This is a sensative area. Many here don't like them for their view, saying that they are misleading people about how serious Y2K may be. Even if I don't agree with them, I do appreciate their argument. My option. I think people can see what's going on.

There are all kinds of people here, just like real life.

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), September 15, 1999.

Additionally, this kind of question is usually posed to sandbag anyone with the "wrong" opinion around here. The last time I responded to a question asking the opinion of everyone, doomers, pollies, spooks, you name it, the result was a new thread specifically calling me a jerk for responding to the request, or for having the wrong opinion, or for expressing that opinion improperly or something!

But in general, a polly is anyone whose expectations of y2k fall between the points of hardly noticeable to anybody, all the way up to around, say, difficult but manageable with great effort and some localized hardships. But predicting a severe thunderstorm just isn't given much credibility on a forum where nothing less than Noah's Flood is considered acceptable.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 15, 1999.

Oh, lets see, here are some guidelines that pollies seem to follow:

o A CHAIN IS ONLY AS STRONG AS ITS STRONGEST LINK. If, in order to support a service such as receipt of a Social Security check, there are many diverse dependent operations involved with varying degrees of Y2K readiness, select the best one and believe it to be representative for all.

o EVERYTHING IS JUST PEACHY HERE IN THE U.S. OF A. Because we are Americans.

o EVERYTHING IS TOAST IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES, BUT THAT WON'T AFFECT US. Yep, those foreigners are going to experience all kinds of power failures, failed water/sewer systems, economy collapses, etc. (because they are not Americans, see above), BUT fortunately that will not affect us one whit.

o A "REMEDIATED" SYSTEM IS A FULLY TESTED SYSTEM, WITH DEADLINES MERE GUIDELINES. Now understand, virtually for any OTHER computer project, getting a late start, missing deadlines, and skimping on testing due to lack of time would get a lot of worry, as the normal assumption that the project would not be able to meet the FINAL DEADLINE. But, Y2K is different -- the final deadline is fixed in time and cannot be changed. So, we have to introduce a substance one might as well call MAGIC. And with MAGIC, this is not a problem.

o INTERCONNECTIVITY IS IRRELEVANT. And pollies probably are not very good at walking and chewing gum at the same time, either.

o FREE MARKET FORCES ENSURE THAT THINGS WILL WORK OUT. What the dummies, I mean pollies, miss is that free market forces work only when you have CONTROL over what you are trying to influence. Bad computer code that cannot be fixed in time, regardless of money, regardless of labor, etc., does not jive with this crap. But do they understand this? Is the bear Catholic? Does the Pope shit in the woods??

o IF Y2K WERE THAT BIG A PROBLEM, MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT IT. You would think so, wouldn't you? Of course, a Jew in Nazi Germany in the early '30s might have been thinking about leaving to escape what Hitler said that he would do. But, then again, very few did. Sometimes most people don't worry about what they should worry about, I guess.

o ATTACK THE MESSENGER, NOT THE MESSAGE; OR, PEOPLE WHO ADVANCE Y2K WILL BE THE-END-OF-THE-WORLD-AS-WE-KNOW-IT THEORIES HAVE A HISTORY OF PREDICTING SUCH SCENARIOS, AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN WRONG BEFORE. Well, maybe such people, by virtue of the fact that they are always looking for something like this, are the first ones to see it when it is for real. Who cares?

I could think up more examples, but thats about as much polly-crap as I can stomache right now. Hope this helps.

BTW, "lil'ol me", are you a girl? And if so, do you mudwrestle??

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), September 15, 1999.

KOS,

Nice summary. I just stole it.

Flint,

Thanks again for making my point so well last night. Flint - I'ld like to discuss the BIOS issue with you. Any comments?

Tick... Tock... <:00=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), September 15, 1999.

Sysman:

I'm not sure I follow you here. I reread that thread, and I believe I made it quite clear that BIOS issues are trivial, and won't pose problems for us. If that was your point, you're quite welcome. Otherwise, you have misunderstood or I have expressed myself poorly. In either case, don't worry. BIOS issues won't be a problem.

-- Flint (flintc@mindspring.com), September 15, 1999.

Gary North is a Big Fat Idiot

after reading that, go to the forum (very, VERY long but worth the download) Mucho debunking of y2k myths, from those in the industry.

I actually BELIEVED North's BS until I found that page.

-- (lurk@lurk.lur), September 15, 1999.

I think I'm in over my head. I'll read what you've written, once my head stops spinning.

I'm going away now.

Thanks!

-- lil'ol (me@me.me), September 15, 1999.

lil'ol,

Most pollies are people that are just as afraid of Y2K chaos as we are, but they are even more afraid to admit it. They are vain people for the most part, afraid to let themselves be seen as vulnerable to something as small as computer chips, while knowing that in reality Y2K is bigger and more out of control than anything the human race has ever experienced.

I believe that for many of the pollies their fear is even deeper than for most of us, and that is why it is so difficult for them to break through the denial and let their guard down. Many of them, in order to calm their fears, go to extremes such as singling out concerned preparers, labeling them as "doomers", and relentlessly attacking them for no apparent reason other than to justify their own denial. The denial is so deep that many must constantly try to convince themselves and the rest of the world that "nothing will happen" by repeatedly posting such statements on websites and forums like this one.

They seem to be lacking any opinions about what they realistically expect to occur next year other than the usual defensive "absolutely nothing". If that is the case, then how can they explain all of the Y2K related occurrences we have already witnessed, and on what basis can they assume that nothing like these will happen next year?

When you get right down to it Pollies are people who are in very strong denial of their fear and just too proud and stubborn to admit it.

-- @ (@@@.@), September 15, 1999.

lil'ol,

We like to spin heads. We've got almost 200,000 messages archived here. Lots of it articles from the media, government, countless sources. We also have a "sister" Y2K preparation forum here. Alot of BS, but a whole bunch of real information.

cpr and company have how many messages? How much "real" information?

If you're serious about Y2K, hang with us.

Just a regular. <:)=

-- Sysman (y2kboard@yahoo.com), September 15, 1999.

Flint, you said, "on a forum where nothing less than Noah's Flood is considered acceptable."

How come you point out this vanishingly small part of the forum over and over in such an arduous manner?

-- Will (sibola@hotmail.com), September 16, 1999.

"We like to spin heads. We've got almost 200,000 messages archived here. Lots of it articles from the media, government, countless sources. We also have a "sister" Y2K preparation forum here. Alot of BS, but a whole bunch of real information."

Wow...200,000 messages?!?!?!? And how many are from Jack with his flashing "Y2K CANNOT BE FIXED!"? How many on the Sitts family? How many on Waco? How many on conspiracies? How many OT's? How many of people just calling each other names? Yeah, that 200,000 sure is impressive.

"cpr and company have how many messages? How much "real" information?"

Define "real". You call yours real, they call theirs real. You say......

"If you're serious about Y2K, hang with us."

Gee Sysman, were you the kid who stood behind the school between classes smoking making it look "cool"? Talk about an example of peer pressure.

"Just a regular. <:)= "

yes, but a regualr what?

(and for those keeping score, I am defined as a polly, yet I have a pantry full of food and my water storage just arrived. How exactly does that add up?)

-- b (b@b.b), September 16, 1999.

I do not expect noah's flood,I just do not see corporate america and government america to have a very good track record of keeping it's shit together or being very honest

-- zoobie (zoobiezoob@yahoo.com), September 16, 1999.

lil'ol:

As a purported polly on this forum, I can at the least state who *I* am. I'm a computer programmer who has SEEN remediation completed at multiple sites throughout the past several years. I have a pantry full of food (much more than some on this forum), and have written three separate threads on the preparation forum for how one might prepare for an emergency.

I think the "it's all systemic" is a bit overworked on this forum. Spider webs break all the time and the spiders fix the webs. I view good news as well as bad, and weigh the consequences of both without interference by those who set out to convince me that only their side of the story is true.

If you're interested in learning the identity of CPR and haven't figured it out yet, my E-mail works. I got in hot water when I posted his name here the last time.

You may also want to revisit the Debunkers forum (where you seem to have originated.) Several folks there have responded to your request for information.

I apologize for not keeping up with either this forum or that one yesterday, but I live in the DFW area and felt it more important to follow the news locally than engage in the internet. I'm shortly off to my annual checkup, so I may not respond until much later.

-- Anita (spoonera@msn.com), September 16, 1999.