First of all, here's the link:

http://www.thebranches.com/thebranches/y2k.html

Now, the text:

The Holy Spirit has revealed to our ministry that in the very near future, this country and the world will be facing devastating times as never before seen. This is verified in God's Holy Word, the Bible.

The book, God's Plan to Protect His People in the Coming Depression, by David Wilkerson, is a must read for those who want to be prepared for the y2k crisis or any related economic problems that might follow. Prepared not only physically, but most important spiritually. This is not a doomsday book, but a book of hope and encouragement that God is in control.

Order today. No Cost or Obligation ever! No Shipping, No Handling, No Tax!

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So there you go. Note that I am not involved with this organization in any way - just stumbled across it on the web.

I have no idea how the Holy Spirit chose to reveal the truth to these folks. My guess is that he didn't use the Holy Fax Machine. Probably something less substantial than the Naval War College papers.

You be the judge...

JZ

-- Jeff Zurschmeide (zursch@cyberhighway.net), August 31, 1999

Answers

You be the judge...

ok - guilty!

-- D E F (eattherich@mailcity.com), August 31, 1999.

If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in my name at a Swiss bank.
w allen

-- tc (trashcan-man@webtv.net), August 31, 1999.

if anyone,want,s the truth of y2k, checkout the bible=codes site, they found y2k' along side=chaos.phohecy=from holy-spirit.>GOD will use y2k to separate=faithful from=un-faithful.TRIBULATION is a refiner. flame while you, can but when all hell, break,s loose,where to run where to hide????

-- FLAME-OFF. (dogs@zianet.com), August 31, 1999.

I am not a particularly religious person, but the Bible contains abundant wisdom for living. I think it's rather superficial to ignore or belittle this millinnia-old heritage because we've determined that Tammy Fae Baker wears too much makeup, or Jerry Falwell is a big fat idiot.

Proverbs is a good place to start, for general good advice about life. Liberty

-- Liberty (liberty@theready.now), August 31, 1999.

What's the URL for the bible codes site?....Thanks, Tim

-- Tim Johnson (timca@webtv.net), August 31, 1999.

Posted by al driscol on December 09, 1998 at 00:34:21: had any BAD=EXPERIENCES???? GIVE-US A BUZZ=catt@zianet.com link http://www.digitalpulse.net/cim/wwwboard/messages/14.html

-- (hey@al.com), August 31, 1999.

Prayer Request from AL DRISCOL, CATT@ZIANET.COM on 9/11/98 [FROM>> AL & MARIANNE DRISCOL, IN 1995 A [JURY] IN EL-PASO TX.AWARDED- -US 11 MILLION $$$ IN [LANDMARK-CASE] PLEASE-PRAY [LORD] WILL GIVE-US HELP & FAVOR--WITH-APPEALS-COURT, WE FEEL ''LORD'' GAVE-US THIS-- JUDGEMENT TO BLESS--OTHERS. The link http://www.netchurch.com/pandp_active.asp

-- (Howdy@al.com), August 31, 1999.

I AM a particularly religious person, and have decided that y2k has little to do with Biblical endtimes talk. Sure, generalities in our thinking could pound the ideas of deceit and an all-knowing force unifying the world with an underlying evil attached, but I seriously doubt this situation will prove to be the catalyst which will launch the anti-Christ's road to power and the eventual return of Jesus Christ. (I mean no disrespect to FLAMER's alluding to the Bible Codes, but as I am sure all know by now, it offers a lot of 'possible' scenarios for the future, and one can't really know the authenticity of these prognostications).

And btw, Tammy Faye and Reverend Jerry probably have less to do with religion.

Regards

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), August 31, 1999.

Liberty,

Whom do you suppose belittles the millenia-old heritage more - the people who try to use it to sell their topic du jour or the person who calls them silly? This time next year, they'll have some other gig going.

Beware of any preacher with money.

JZ

+++ Liberty said: I am not a particularly religious person, but the Bible contains abundant wisdom for living. I think it's rather superficial to ignore or belittle this millinnia-old heritage because we've determined that Tammy Fae Baker wears too much makeup, or Jerry Falwell is a big fat idiot. +++

-- Jeff Zurschmeide (zursch@cyberhighway.net), August 31, 1999.

Bible code

-- (here@ya.go), August 31, 1999.

Though I don't doubt the sincerety of those in the church who feel they recieved the Holy Spirits input about y2k, I do question as to how much of the Holy Spirits input was really fear itself speaking. Countless times egg has been on the face of the Christian community when the church starts to "predict" things and nothing happens. It is also inportant for Mr. Wilkerson to remember that in Old Testament times that false prophets were stoned to death. I'm not saying that he is one, just that prophecies are spread too generously by those who want sooo badly to see the Lords return.

-- richard (trubeliever@webtv.net), August 31, 1999.

I am a christian and I enjoy studying prophecy. However, I do not think Wilkerson's book is about y2k. I have both of his books. He is just predicting "judgement" sometime in the future with a stock market collapse. I think it is dangerous to say the HS is predicting y2k will be catastrophic. It could make people doubtful, if nothing happens. LIke the boy who cried wolf.....or craig. There are many christians, Rick Joyner for one, who believes HS told them it wouldn't be that bad. If these guys are all prophets of HS ...HS is not giving same prophecy to both. I do believe wilkerson is right...he's not even sure of the timing though. Don't put words in his mouth he didn't say.

-- Moore Dinty moore (not@thistime.com), August 31, 1999.

For 2 years I've agreed that gold is good (Gen 2:12). However, a stockbroker I know told me he read a book by David Wilkerson where DW said gold would be worthless in the end times having interpreted James 5:3 - Your gold and silver are corroded. Considering the pounding precious metals have been taking, I think DW "may?" have a pipeline to the HS.

-- Cable_man (tlangan@iname.com), August 31, 1999.

I don't know what the connection is between

and David Wilkerson.

It's easier just to type a reply to this forum, maybe a hot link here and there. The fancy stuff just looks good - but I like it!

-- Cable_man (tlangan@lasttime.com), August 31, 1999.

Once again, Christians get a bad name in all of this. As a Catholic, I don't remember the Pope, or any other church official for that matter, making a prognostication about the future. Such talk is not only fallacious, it is libelous. Last May, John Paul even went so far as to admonish believers who felt the time of Jesus' return was near by saying that many things had to transpire and that such talk was false.

As stated previously, there are many types of Christians and many types of believers. I'd say that some seem to take a little more liberty in their translating the Bible into every day events than others, and that some use the good book to validate what often prove to be illicit philosophies on things.

Regards.

-- Bad Company (johnny@shootingstar.com), August 31, 1999.

Wasn't it just a couple of weeks ago that St. Francis predicted on this forum that something DEVASTATING was going to happen within 10 days? Furthermore, we don't need any book to find out what is going to happen. Not even the Y2K experts know what is going to happen. And if anyone comes here and says God told them so, I shall even question that. So on that note, the only thing any of us can do is guess, and my best guess is just as good as your best guess.

-- no kidding (nokidding@nokiddinggg.com), September 01, 1999.

I don't know much about David Wilkerson, but I know that Teen Challenge is a highly respected rehab.

There is a new book out on Bible codes, "Cosmic Codes" by Chuck Missler. Have it, it's fascinating.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), September 01, 1999.

The third secret of Fatima alludes to this time period...

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), September 01, 1999.

How does the Holy Spirit "reveal" future events? Does the HS talk to favored people with an audible voice? Or does the revelation come in a dream or while in a hypnotic trance? How does the HS select the favored person to give this revelation to? Since there have been charlatans predicting the end of the world and Christ's second coming for as long as I can remember, how can we believe anyone who claims to be God's special messenger?

I think that if God wanted us to know specific future events, He would give each of us the same message at the same time. That would be a way of establishing the veracity of it. Each of us could then compare notes to see if all received the same message.

I have asked several people who claimed that God told them something. When pressed for details and if they actually heard an audible voice, most will say that it was not. They just had a thought. You can go to the mental institutions and find many people who hear voices and I have no doubt that they do.

Jube

-- Jubilation T. Cornpone (Reason@ndlogic.com), September 01, 1999.

I am not putting Wilkerson down. I like him and think he is a Godly pastor. If he is stating he has had further revelation from the HS on y2k I have not been aware of it. I was just going on what I read in his book you referenced. He was clear in it he didn't know what y2k would bring. I just don't want his ministry to be dishonored because someone else says he said something he didn't.

-- Moore Dinty moore (not@thistime.com), September 01, 1999.

so what is the connection between branches of life and wilkerson? Wilkerson is in NY, I think. BOL is in California. Please clarify. You are making it sound like it is Wilkerson making a prophecy on y2k. Is it really this BOL group?

-- Moore Dinty moore (not@thistime.com), September 01, 1999.

The way I see it, first Wilkerson wrote the book. Haven't read it, but I bet it's good.

Independent of Wilkerson, BOF has received HS revelation that in the very near future, this country and the world will be facing devastating times as never before seen. BOL ministry is then recommending and offering free of charge Wilkerson's book as a reference for education and preparation for the devastating times. BOL thinks Y2K might be the devastating times the HS revealed to them.

There is no relationship between BOL and Wilkerson.

I want to read the book!

-- Cable_man (tlangan@iname.com), September 01, 1999.

HS revealing coming devastating times is almost a no brainer for a Christian - it's the tribulation period. The HS reveals that, (whispers it) to a Christian, when reading about the tribulation in the Holy Bible. BOF is saying "Is Y2K the devasting times HS revealed to us?" Jack Van Impe says Y2K *may* be the prophetic time when nations are in confusion. Maybe it is. One thing I know, perilous times are coming soon. Maranatha.

-- Cable_man (tlangan@iname.com), September 01, 1999.

A wise Christian will be VERY careful about "speaking for God" (James 3). The penalty for misrepresenting God is quite high, and it is higher if the person doing it is more highly placed.

Deuteronomy 13 and 18:20-22 talk about false prophets: one type has real power, but turns people away from obedience to God; the other type makes predictions that do not come to pass, which a true prophet will not EVER do. Presumption by those unwisely and falsely claiming to speak for the Creator is as old as humanity.

On the other hand, I am not really surprised, either, by the widespread casual use of "God's authority" by those who claim to speak for Him in areas where scripture is silent or ambiguous. It matches the widespread disobedience within the church even among those who have chosen to bind themselves to obedience to Christ's commands by becoming Christians (see Luke 14). In my opinion, it all comes from a lack of "fearing the Lord," which is the "beginning of wisdom."

I believe that God will forgive those who are presumptuous in this way, when they realize it and repent. But someone who has been presumptuous in this way nevertheless loses their authority and credibility, because they have proven that they are unwise and that they are not careful with their words.

-- S. Kohl (kohl@hcpd.com), September 01, 1999.

Agree with S. Kohl, too many Christians take this so lightly. I have heard people say "God told me I'm going to marry X" and then a month later they break up. Uh huh. Christians throw the name of God around almost as thoughtlessly and frivolously as those who are not believers. Only a handful of times in a few decades have I felt that I was definitely "hearing" from God on an issue, and it ALWAYS pertained to personal guidance and/or direction that I was seeking. Never did it pertain to leading another person or group of people. We are supposed to rely on His revealed Word (read in entirety, and understood in context, of course). Unfortunately, many seem to want the Holy Smorgasbord, "I'll take God the Problem Fixer, God the Aspirin, two helpings of God the Blesser,...no thanks, I'll pass on Counting the Cost, Carrying the Cross, and just one tiny taste of God's Word. Wow, that tastes strong,...no more this time,... but could I have a glass of "milk" to go with that?"

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), September 01, 1999.

Hi Dinty (more rice and beans @ this time!) :-)

Cable man, I've read both books by David Wilkerson. While he believes Y2K could bring chaos and disruption, it may NOT be the same thing as what the Lord showed him. One of the things that has stayed in my mind, he wrote about the President (didn't say which one) asking his advisors, "What happened? Everything was going so well." This indicates to me that it would either be before the rollover, or at least a little while after. Otherwise it wouldn't be a "surprise" so to speak. Just my thoughts.

-- Gayla (privacy@please.com), September 01, 1999.

Hi Gayla,

Good memory. I liked the book also. I love prophecy and definately believe in the tribulation period. I am not convinced that y2k is it. Although, all this middleeast peace agreement talk is making me nervous. Could all be a prelude...for the record..I think we are going through it. I'm not a pre-tribber good to chat again

-- Moore Dinty moore (not@thistime.com), September 01, 1999.

To All

I always hesitate to post Biblical or theological material on a secular website, but this thread seems to be pretty much dedicated to a Biblical framework so for those interested in Biblical Prophecy relating to Y2K allow me to post a comment for those interested is this angle of the subject of Y2K.

So, what is this Biblical Prophecy aspect that has a Y2K connection? First of all I'm not sure that what follows is an actual prophecy with a direct Y2K connection. It may well be a very, very direct connection to Y2K. In fact, it could be a smoking gun of prophecy that indeed is indelibly linked with Y2K only we're too blind to realize it. I don't know for sure, but I thought it best to post this and bring it to the attention of those of you who might wish to give it consideration.

There is this tantalizing tidbit from the Prophecies of God's Prophet known as Daniel. Daniel wrote a significant Old Testament book which is appropriately called Daniel. In this book, in the 7th Chapter and verse 25 we find a segment that is dealing with one of the various descriptions regarding a now infamous character. This character has come to be referred to variously as  "the beast, the man of lawlessness, the 'little horn' and also most famously -- The Antichrist. What is so fascinating and tantalizing about this verse and a Y2K connection? Let's look at the verse:

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, . And shall think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time." [King James Version]

Let's look closely at one little and often overlooked segment of that verse for a possible Y2K connection.

Daniel 7:25b

"and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law" (NASV)

"and try to change the set times and the law" (NIV)

"and think to change times and laws" (KJV)

Now to really try and get a handle on what is being said here, we need to take a good hard look at the actual and original words as they were written and what they literally meant. Of course, this means we are talking about an analysis of the ancient Hebrew text words. In doing so, we should note that for those interested in verifying this material for themselves but don't know Hebrew, there are a number of helpful tools (reference-type books) for which you can use to assist in garnering the original Hebrew words and their meanings and usage. One of these is a book called "Strong's Exhaustive Concordance" which lists every word ever used in the King James Version of English. It will list a given word and then show each and every time it is used in the KJV text of the Bible along with a code word # alongside each verse usage. You can then go to the back of the book to a Hebrew dictionary in which all the Hebrew words are listed in numerical order as alphabetized in the Hebrew alphabet. So that without knowing the Hebrew you can still look up the number to find the basic and generic meaning of that word in whatever book, chapter and verse you're trying to better understand.

In this case we have the following key words which you can also verify for yourself. [If you don't have this reference work but would like to verify this information for yourself then you might wish to visit your local public library and ask for it. Most likely it will be in the major "references" section. A librarian may even be able to help show you how to use it. Below are the key words for us to consider:

Key words: [Strong's Concordance Code numbers are used for reference] ---------------------------- Think = #5452

"Seb-ar" in Hebrew = to think, to bear in mind, or in some cases to hope

---------------------------- To change= #8133

" shen-aw" in the Hebrew = means to change or alter time or the reckoning of time. (see Gesenius; or Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew- English lexicons).

----------------------------- "set-times" = #2166

"zem- awn" = set-times or appointed times as in (festival) seasons in Israel's calendar of the feast Holidays. (See Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon)

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The more literal Hebrew rendering then would be as follows:

-- "and he will tryto change set-timesand law"

So, what do we have here? We have the "little horn"--"beast"-- "Antichrist" who will think to change the way calendrical time is reckoned.

Now, without confusing you--the reader there is another little insight from the Greek Septuagint version of the Daniel passage. The Greek terms here indicate that he will get an idea or notion (to suppose) to "transform" the way calendrical time is reckoned. A caveat though is that the text doesn't say that he will actually attempt to implement changes. There is a subtle indication that he will try or think to try but whether he does make the attempt or whether he succeeds in doing so for a short time is unclear from the text. But it is fascinating to consider the possibilities of such a situation in light of the potential Y2K factor. Perhaps we are jumping to conclusionsso we should be very, very cautious in this regard. BUT it certainly is something to think about.

Now why would the Antichrist wish to do this? For years, Biblical eschatologists (specialist scholars in interpreting Biblical prophecy) had guessed or assumed that the Antichrist would want to remove references to the first coming of Jesus Christ. This was just a guess because there are no other words given to indicate a purpose. None of the scholars or students of Biblical prophecy could contemplate or comprehend how computer-programming difficulties of Y2K could be a factor. Some felt that this was simply a reference to changing the Jewish Feasts. The most literal Hebrew terminology though, IMO, seems to equate more to calendrical reckoning of time and not to feasts and celebrations.

Now consider this possibility what IF IF  Y2K becomes unmanageable for the governments of the worldwould it be expedient to simply junk the Julian calendar system and start with a 0000 calendar year? In doing this, wouldn't it give programmers a 99 year piece of breathing room to get programming into a NEW WORLD ORDER of calculating time? Is it possible that this is how the Y2K problem will be solved? I don't know. I can only wonder. Perhaps someone out there will have a technical answer as to how difficult it would be to go back to a Zero starting point and thus start a new calendaras maybe a herald to the day of a "New Age" or "A NEW WORLD ORDER."

If you have any private thoughts or comments or would like the URL for our free monthly Biblical Prophecy "e-zine" feel free to e-mail me. The magazine is free to all and is not an attempt to sell you something.

-- Richard (rac474@kc-primary.net), September 01, 1999.

Hello Gayla,

Good to hear from someone who read the book. I still want to read it.

"What happened? Everything was going so well."

I expect many will ask this when the see the burning of Babylon. They'll weep and mourn too. Rev 18:10-19.

Hello Dinty,

Do you get ICEJ newsletter? Today's newsflash is about Albright arriving to deadlocked talks, and how Barak wants to implement Wye as is. Subscribe at http://www.icej.org.il

-- Cable_man (tlangan@iname.com), September 02, 1999.