A buddy of mine still in the service sent this to me over the weekend. I e-mailed him back wanting the rest of the mailing or the link but no answer yet. On the thread labeled Daves thoughts from the weekend (or something like that) he commented about a co-workers sonin the Marines being sent to the middle east. Joseph de Courcy, editor of the well-respected "Intelligence Digest," says in a mailing delivered to subscribers this week: "While NATO congratulates itself on bombing the Serbs into submission, Israel's Mossad and other Middle Eastern intelligence sources have discovered that Kosovo was one humiliation too many for Russia. Now Moscow has agreed to back Saddam's secret plan of revenge. With this all-important Russian backing, Saddam is joining with hated Iran and Syria to launch one final war against Israel. Amazingly, Saddam will allow Iranian troops to cross Iraqi territory to join the attack on Israel. And to keep America from interfering, Moscow has given Osama bin Laden and other terrorists the means to attack American population centers with weapons of mass destruction. The threat is real...and the implications terrifying..." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please understand I can't verify this-YET! I'm sharing it because I thought it important.

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999

Answers

I could see Iraq and Iran working together on this because of an old arab proverb:

I may fight with my brother, but my brother is my ally against my cousin. My cousin is my ally against an outsider.

Israel is seen as the outsider against all islamic countries. (So is the US, for that matter.)

We do need more confirmation before believing this report, however.

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), August 30, 1999.

Reuters Europe has to forge an active foreign policy with the Islamic world if peace is to be preserved in the future, the European Commission's incoming president said Friday. Romano Prodi said the European Union should formulate common relations between European and Arab countries, as it has done with Mediterranean nations. Until now there have been many relations between European and Mediterranean countries, but there has never been a policy just for Arab countries. This can be done only by the EU, Prodi said. If Europe does not forge a foreign policy of openness and initiate active relations with the Islamic world that surrounds it, then it will be difficult to preserve peace....Prodi said he had two other EU foreign policy objectives. He said a top priority was EU enlargement, bringing in the countries of Eastern Europe, which he described as crucial to maintaining peace in Europe... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------

I was kinda hoping with all the Globalists here somebody would point me in the right direction.

I thought Syria and Isreal were nearing a peace deal?

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

Johnny, I'm no globalist, but I can tell you that if I were ranking Iranian military officer, there is now way that I'm marching an army through Iraq. That would seem the height of stupidity. Regardless of the outcome of a battle against Israel, they'd still have to march back through Iraq? And if Moscow has solicited a terrorist as its agent, it's still state action by Moscow and there would be retaliation. Kosovo was not that big a deal that Moscow will trigger first use of weapons of mass destruction.

-- Puddintame (achillesg@hotmail.com), August 30, 1999.

A few questions:

Why would the Russians, who have problems a plenty with islamic ethnic groups within their own national borders currently, and problems with Islamic nations on their frontier, historically, want to do anything to bring about unity with Islamic nations that are currently antagonistic towards one another?

What ramifications would an Iran/Iraq/Syria axis to the south of Russia have for the future of the Russian state?

What ramifications would it have for Russia, if they give Islamic terrorists free access to weapons of mass destruction?

Given the likely anti-American backlash that is to occur throughout the Balkans, wouldn't the stated revenge goals of Moscow be better served by providing terroristic weapons to groups in that region?

-- Bokonon (bok0non@my-Deja.com), August 30, 1999.

One of Phil's (the person who makes this forum possible) semi-random sections at the bottom of the page (may be different by the time you read this) says:

The more that you interact with other people, the more chance there is that you will have a dispute. The less well-specified your interaction, the more chance there is that your dispute could lead to litigation. If you want to avoid litigation, the best thing to do is restructure your life so that you engage in fewer transactions.

I would rewrite this for the U.S. government:

The more that you interfere with other coutries and your own people, the more chance there is that you will have a dispute. The less well-justified your interaction, the more chance there is that your interference could lead to war and/or rebellion. If you want to avoid war and rebellion, the best thing to do is restructure your actions so that you engage in fewer interferences.

-- A (A@AisA.com), August 30, 1999.

Johnny:

I have a number of Iranian friends. I am amazed to learn that they are really Arabs. I will e-mail the info to them tomorrow. It will change their life.

Best,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), August 30, 1999.

"Given the likely anti-American backlash that is to occur throughout the Balkans, wouldn't the stated revenge goals of Moscow be better served by providing terroristic weapons to groups in that region?"

I thought about this and one reason I can come up with is OIL!

If Iran and Iraq start marching through Jordan and Sryia comes from the north Saudi Arabia will be there in a heartbeat. Combined with y2k (or just before) and Bin Laden given a go ahead by Yeltsin. Watchout!Russias not giving him the weapons (he probably bought the from some disguntled scientists) they are just giving him the go ahead!

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

Z1x4y7

I don't see where I said that Iranians were Arab, please elaborate and enlighten me.

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

THE PROHECY=THERE WILL COME A DAY, WHEN [ALL] NATION,S TURN ON=ISRAEL. AND=JERUSALEM BECOMES A ''STUMBLING-STONE'' OIL IS THE BAIT,ARMEGGEDON THE FATE.

-- SEER, (dogs@zianet.com), August 30, 1999.

Intellience Digest costs a small fortune to subscribe to-something like $1000 a year. That doesn't stop government and defense dept. bureaucrats fron subscribing, as well as business and corp. officers. It's in the same league as Jane's, but more geopolitical. If DeCourcy sent a special mailing, be assured that there is something to it.

Those of you with training in Biblical prophecy should recognize the significance of this report.

-- Greg Lawrence (greg@speakeasy.org), August 30, 1999.

Johnny,

Possibly, but I don't think the Russians would want to risk creating a new super-foe, immediately to their south. It's suicidal. Not that everybody always behaves logically, but I would like someone to point out why they would think they would come out ahead, on such a gamble.

The other problem I have with this proposal is the same as the other poster had. The Iranians would very suspicious of any offer from Hussein to march thru his territory as being a set-up. The Israelis are only ideological enemies of Iran, but Iraq is a very real and deadly one and one that sits right on their border. It would be a cute trick for the Iraqis to get the Iranian forces away from home, and then simultaneously ambush the army and strike at Iran itself. I know I wouldn't fall for it.

-- Bokonon (bok0non@my-Deja.com), August 30, 1999.

Greg,

I know Bible Prophecy and fully realize the significance of Syria, Iraq and Iran marching on Israel......

It will mean the beginning of the "end". It also would mean Jesus would be coming soon!!!

It would further mean that the 70th week of Daniel's prophecy would be beginning forthwith.....

Remember, G-d (Jehovah) has decreed 7,000 years of history for man. We are at the very end of the 6,000 years. The tribulation and 1,000 year reign of Jesus (Yeshua) will be beginning very soon.

Bring it on, bring it on!!!!

-- Vernon Hale (create@premiernet.net), August 30, 1999.

Amen Vernon.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), August 30, 1999.

Sorry Johnny:

You are right, I am sloppy. I was referring to other additions to the thread. Sorry.

Best,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), August 30, 1999.

Remember, G-d (Jehovah) has decreed 7,000 years of history for man. We are at the very end of the 6,000 years.

What are you basing the "very end of the 6,000 years" on?

-- (who@what.where), August 30, 1999.

Vernon:

What does G-d mean? Why do you use a Germanic perversion of the name after that. Remember that speaking the name is to be punished by death. Just pulling your string.

Best,

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), August 30, 1999.

What part does the Millennium play in Bible prophecy? It is the final day. One day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day (2 Peter 3:8). God created the world in six days (Genesis 1:31) and he rested on the seventh day (Genesis 2:2). Since a day is as a thousand years and a thousand years are as a day, we have six days of labor signifying six thousand years of burdensome toil for humanity -- followed by a final seventh day of rest, or the millennial reign of Christ! Revelation 20:4 declares, they [the returning, resurrected, and raised saints] lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Our present calendar indicates that this prophecy is nearly ready to be fulfilled. From Adam until the birth of Jesus Christ, approximately four thousand years transpired -- or figuratively, "four days." Then, from the birth of Christ until the 1990s, almost two more "days" passed. We are less than ten years short of the final two "days" for the total of six thousand years, or the six "days" proposed by Peter. There's a little discrepancy in timetables because of the difference between the Alexandrian and Julian calendars. Nevertheless, we are somewhere around 5,990, with a little less than ten years left.

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

Jesus really gave us a clever clue.."at the end of the age two women would be grinding grain with their hand grinders" one would be taken and the other left. This didn't make much sense to me in the wonder bread age of the 2oth century until y2k. thousands and thousands of these hand grinders have been sold all over the world in the last year. the factories have been working 24 hour shifts trying to keep up with the demand. call lehman's and see how many they alone have sold for y2k. verrrry interesting.

-- tom (tom format@aol.com), August 30, 1999.

plus or minus a few years I would never try to predict when the Lord would return

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

Here's the Intelligence International website - they publish 'Intelligence Digest'.

Intelligence International

Of course they don't give away everything - but there's no clue as to anything apocalyptic on the site.

-- Ned (entaylor@cloudnet.com), August 30, 1999.

There's a little discrepancy in timetables because of the difference between the Alexandrian and Julian calendars. Nevertheless, we are somewhere around 5,990, with a little less than ten years left.

Actually, the Jewish calendar is currently in year 5759. Next month it will be at 5760. That still leaves about 240 years left.

-- (who@what.where), August 30, 1999.

Sorry Didn't end the italics. Anyway, I still meant that the Jewish calendar is at 5759, so we have a few hundred years to go by that estimate.

-- (who@what.where), August 30, 1999.

I never referred to the Jewish calendar.

Thanks Ned!

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

I never referred to the Jewish calendar.

Then what calendar are you using?

-- (who@what.where), August 30, 1999.

Who:

I think it was featured on StarTrek. By the way, I am on line because AOL won't let me sign-off. If I try, I get a message that the server is overloaded and can't process my request. Good planning.

Best,

Z

-- Z1X4Y7 (Z1X4Y7@aol.com), August 30, 1999.

I referred to the Alexandrian and the Jullian calendars-------

I quote myself?

"There's a little discrepancy in timetables because of the difference between the Alexandrian and Julian calendars. Nevertheless, we are somewhere around 5,990, with a little less than ten years left."

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

To those with questions concerning my above statement:

It's pretty well known that from Adam to the present is 6,000 years. It's been added up, calculated with computers, etc....

Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he hath made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Hosea 6:1-2 Come, and let us return unto the Lord; for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

After two days he will revive us; in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

From the Epistle of Barnabas, a companion and fellow-preacher with St. Paul. This Epistle lays a greater claim to canonical authority than most others. IOW, it almost made it into our Holy Scriptures.

Barnabas 13:3-6 And even in the beginning of the creation he makes mention of the sabbath. And God made in six days the works of this hands; and he finished them on the seventh day, and he rested the seventh day, and sanctifed it.

Consider, my children, what that signifies, he finished them in six days. The meaning of it is this; that in six thousand years the Lord God will bring all things to an end.

For with him one day is a thousand years; as himself testifieth, saying, Behold this day shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, shall all things be accomplished.

And what is that he saith, And he rested on the seventh day: he meaneth this; that when his Son shall come, and abolish the season of the Wicked One, and judge the ungodly; and shall change the sun and the moon, and the stars; then he shall gloriously rest in that seventh day.

From the Book of the Secrets of Enoch, another book written somewhere about the beginning of the Christian era. These are reported to be the "secrets" of Enoch, the saint that who never died, but was translated to Heaven by God. See Genesis 5:24.

Secrets of Enoch 33:1 And I appointed the eighth day also, that the eighth day should be the first-created after my work, and that the first seven revolve in the form of the seventh thousand, and that at the beginning of the eighth thousand there should be a time of not- counting, endless, with neither years nor months nor weeks nor days nor hours.

NOW, here's the meaning of all that according to many scholars.....

After 6,000 years comes the 1000 year reign of Christ. Hosea is saying that the Jews have been down for 2 days (2000 years of the Church Age), but will be revived in the third day (the 1000 years of Christ reign).

The writer of the 90th Psalm, Peter, Barnabas, Enoch and others to numerous to mention all believe (inspired by God) that there is a 7,000 year plan of God to coincide with the 7 days of creation.

Other signs of the times, along with the 7,000 plan of God, Israel becoming a nation in 1948, Times of the Gentiles ending in 1967 with the re-capture of Jerusalem, and my interpertation of the generation to see the budding of the fig tree would see the end, all indicate to me and many, many others that the end is near, now, all over but the shouting.

Bring it on, bring it on!!!

-- Vernon Hale (create@premiernet.net), August 30, 1999.

I referred to the Alexandrian and the Jullian calendars

Never heard of the Alexandrian calendar. What is it based on?

It's pretty well known that from Adam to the present is 6,000 years. It's been added up, calculated with computers, etc....

Where has this been done? First time I ever heard of it.

-- (who@what.where), August 30, 1999.

Vernon not the end but the beginning!

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

TO: who@what.where.com

March 29, 1998 at sundown, the first new moon after the vernal equinox appeared. The first sliver of the new moon was sighted at 3% illumination, 18 degrees above the horizon,over the city of Jerusalem. At that moment, for the first time in this millennium, we knew where we were on God's sacred calendar. It was Nisan 1, in the Biblical year 5999, precisely 5,998 1/2 years after the creation of Adam. At that moment, we were exactly 18 Biblical months from the beginning of the 7th, or Sabbath millennium: the Day (or millennium) of the LORD. Our countdown to Tishri 1, 6001: September 11, 1999 at sundown, had begun.

The Hebrew rabbis have taught for thousands of years: "In that God created the heavens and the earth in six days and on the 7th day he rested...man will have his time of reign on earth for 6,000 years and the Messiah will reign in the 7th millennium." When speaking of the last days before the Messiah's return, Peter wrote, " Do not be ignorant of this one thing: a day with the LORD is as a millennium, and a millennium is as a day."

Tishri 1, 6001 will be the first day of the millennium of the LORD. It will also be Yom Teruakh, the high Sabbath of the Feast of Trumpets. The Day of Trumpets is the Feast of the LORD that occur on a day and hour that no man knows. Because this feast day is determined by the visible sighting of the new moon by two concurring witnesses testifying before the High Priest and elders, the day and hour of the Day of Trumpets cannot be determined in advance. But, according to astronomical computer models, the new moon should appear 3% illuminated, 13 degrees above the horizon over Jerusalem, at sunset on the Gregorian date September 11, 1999. At that time, the intermediate fulfillments of the fall feast will commerce with Yom Teruakh.

We need to step out of the paradigm of the pagan calendar initiated by Roman traditions, and we need to leave behind outdated provisions introduced into the modern Jewish calendar by Rabbi Hillel II in the 4th century. When we understand God's method of reckoning time, and get a working knowledge of the Feasts of the LORD, which are all prophetic shadow pictures, we will see the prophecies that were sealed until the time of the end can now be be understood with simplicity as we peel 1,900 years of pagan traditions from our eyes and look at the Hebrew scriptures through a Hebrew lens.

For centuries, the rabbis have taught that a day with the LORD is as a thousand years, and a thousand years is as a day: what this means is that man would have his time of rule and reign upon the earth for six thousand years, and on the seventh millennium, the Messiah would reign. We are fast approaching the Great and Notable Day of the LORD. The Biblical Hebrew year 6001 will mark the first year of the Seventh Millennium, the seventh "day," the Day of the LORD. This epoch will not begin on January 1, 2000 or 2001: those dates are inventions of man, throughly fictitious and impertinent. We must look to the Creators calendar, which points to Tishri 1, 6001 (September 11, 1999 at sundown) as the beginning of the seventh period of one thousand years since creation. This is neither based on the Gregorian calendar with which most of us were raised, nor the Jewish Calendar, which is based on ancient astronomical calculations rather than the Biblically-commanded moon sightings. Our Biblical Hebrew Calendar utilizes the most current computerized calculations to project the phases of the moon over Jerusalem, thus giving us the first accurate calendar since the destruction of the Temple in 70 C.E.

Credits to: Messianic rabbi (teacher) Michael Rood

-- Vernon Hale (create@premiernet.net), August 30, 1999.

Thanks Vern. That's what I was looking for. Maybe Rosh Hashannah will be more interesting this year!!

-- (who@what.where), August 30, 1999.

I give up on trying to figure out when Jesus is coming.... I just know the end is near.

It is near, near, near. Rather, the beginning as Johnny said!

-- Vernon Hale (create@premiernet.net), August 30, 1999.

Vernon---

"Because this feast day is determined by the visible sighting of the new moon by two concurring witnesses testifying before the High Priest and elders, the day and hour of the Day of Trumpets cannot be determined in advance."

Who are these witnesses?

If you wish to carry this on vis e-mail its real.

Thanks

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

Boy! all I wanted to know was if anybody could link me to this e-mail piece I got over the weekend and look what all I got!

Thank you all for contributing!!!

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 30, 1999.

This may be a little off the already off topic but Rev. 16:19 (KJV),"then the great city was divided into three parts , and then the cities of the nations fell . I personally believe this points to Buildabergers and or the trilateralist witch is yet another snip of the end time scenaro.

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-- timfreeman (freeman@interx.net), August 30, 1999.

Intelligence Digest has been saying the same thing for almost a year now.

http://defence-data.com/page1101.htm

Intelligence Digests latest summary

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September 26th 1997

THIS WEEK'S LEADING ARTICLE

Understanding Russia

All the evidence we are seeing points to deepening Russian support for the Arab/Iranian war party in the Middle East (see his week's and last week's briefings' sections), but this conclusion seems at odds with both the pro-reform public image presented by Moscow since the collapse of the Soviet Union and the reality of Russia's parlous economic situation. The important point to absorb is that patriotism has superseded communism as the driving force in Russian politics....

THIS WEEK'S BRIEFINGS

The march to war in the Middle East

Over the past week we have received further strong evidence supporting the thesis that Russia is positioning itself to back an Arab-Iranian attack on Israel to be launched as early as the second half of 1998.

-- a (a@a.a), August 30, 1999.

Interesting thread fellows...

However as a counter balance to the Intelligence Digest, perhaps one should also consider the Stratfor Intelligence Report connected to the World Tribune.com at the URL:

http://www.worldtribune.com/global-intel.html

Stratfor believes something slightly different is about to happen... WAR on Iraq to remove, finally, Saddam. The report goes into great detail about Iran and Iraq not being able to trust each other to join sides. Very interesting article to counterbalance De Courcey.

-- Richard (rac474@kc-primary.net), August 30, 1999.

Before anyone discounts the possibility of an Iran-Iraq alliance against the U.S. or Israel, remember the beginning of the Gulf War. As soon as the aerial attacks began, Iraq attempted to fly many of their planes to Iran, who allowed them to land, so as not to lose their entire air force. The current government in Iran is hardcore Islamic, and my guess is they wouldn't hesitate to ally with Iraq in an effort to defeat the "Great Satan."

-- ariZONEa (MiddleEastIs@the.key), August 31, 1999.