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- Then demand that ALL the information gathered under the impeachment investigation be released. If we demand it, the truth will out. But we have to demand it. Here's an article on the supressed information; below that are the e-mail addressess of congress. Just paste them into the address box on your e-mail and type your own demand that the information be released. This is your opportunity to strike a blow for the truth, for decency, and for some sense of responsibility and dignity in our national leaders. This isn't "just about sex."
(don't tell me this isn't about Y2k - read the executive orders and then tell me this Communist-funded Caligula isn't ready to do to the USA what he did to Juanita Broderick - Y2k will be the pretext, if the "critical infrastructure preservation" contingency plans are an indication. They are a blueprint for dictatorship, plain and simple).
August 24, 8:42 AM
GOP Sitting on Clinton Shockers
During last December's House impeachment investigation the Judiciary Committee gathered a treasure trove of politically explosive information on President Clinton, much of which has never been released. But Republicans currently have no plans to make those secrets public, Georgia Rep. Bob Barr told Inside Cover Monday.
The materials, stored in D.C.'s Gerald Ford Building, are said to include evidence on Clinton's alleged rape of Juanita Broaddrick, the intimidation of other women and, according to one source, the sexual harassment of up to three female Secret Service agents.
The still secret evidence may be historic. A number wavering moderate Republicans reportedly moved into the pro-impeachment column after visiting the Ford Building evidence room. Their votes provided the razor thin margin of victory for two articles of impeachment voted against Clinton on Dec. 19.
Inside Cover caught up with Rep. Barr on Bob Grant's nationally syndicated WOR radio show and asked him what will happen to the still sealed evidence on Clinton:
"The chances that the Ford Building material will ever be made public will depend entirely on the American people. If the American people demand it through their representatives, then it will be. But unfortunately right now, there is simply very little interest on the part of our leadership in the Congress to raise these matters, to pursue them. There are a few of us, such as Dan Burton of Indiana, who are trying to get to the bottom of these things to the degree that we can. But by and large the leadership has made a decision that they don't want to touch any of this stuff. So as of now the information, the evidence will not go anywhere."
Though Barr was pessimistic on prospects for making the Clinton impeachment secrets public, he did add, "The House could decide, if it had the backbone to do so, it could decide to release the evidence."
Reactions from Congressmen familiar with the Ford Building secrets suggest they are extremely shocking.
Rep. Chris Shays (R-CT) told the New York Times that the evidence on Clinton is, "Very alarming and very unsettling," involving, "conduct by the President that is alleged to be pretty horrific."
After reviewing the same material, Rep. Matt Salmon (R-AZ) told the Arizona Republic, "I came away nauseated. There are things that go far beyond what we've heard."
One Washington wag told Inside Cover in January that the secret evidence on Bill Clinton reduced Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE) to tears.
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-- Liberty (firstname.lastname@example.org), August 24, 1999
So if Clintons going to be the dictator then why is Hillary running for Senate?
-- it may be bad but (this doesn't make any @sense.org), August 24, 1999.
the US isn't the only major power in the world...
and WJ Clinton isn't the only mortal holding public office...
i doubt that he could hold on to the job past his assigned term...
-- no talking please (email@example.com), August 24, 1999.
Liberty, you are a basket case. Wanna know why we might end up with Martial Law? Because of nuts like you who are trying to start the overthrow of the government.
Which one of your "patriots" is going to be the one to storm the whitehouse to take out Clinton?
You listen to TOO MUCH Bob Grant.
-- skeezix (firstname.lastname@example.org), August 24, 1999.
So you don't want to know, and don't want others to know, the facts about our President's "horrific" behavior, and the truth about allegations of rape and sexual abuse? Well, you're not alone. NBC, CBS, CNN, and ABC think just like you do: the American people "can't handle the truth." I suggest we who can handle the truth give them all the e-mail they can handle.
As for martial law, read the contingency planning for "cyberterrorism," which is a transparent euphemism for Y2k. It distributes power to "czars" who will be in charge of transportation, energy, etc.. Rule by fiat, confiscation of property, conscription of labor (slavery) - it's all there, and it's all current. Can somebody provide yet another link, please? It's not like this is news.
-- Liberty (email@example.com), August 24, 1999.
How does demanding the release of supressed information equate with "overthrow of the government" in that pin head of yours?
And who said anything about harming the President? YOU did, and you alone. You're just vomiting up random accusations because you, like most of the television-numbed populace, are in denial about the fact that the President is a rapist. As for "martial law," go read the Executive Orders on Critical Infrastructure and THEN come back and type at us.
And let me forestall further idiocy by saying that, no, I am not claiming that the National Guard and FEMA are going to evacuate every last citizen and place them ALL in concentration camps (a logistical impossibility, the favorite straw-man of the "it can't happen here" crowd). It won't even be called "martial law;" it will probably be called "the state of emergency" or something equally innocuous. But if they implement the plans they've made, it will be the end of the Republic. Somehow, I'm sure Skeezix could adapt to that with little effort.
Interesting how "patriot" has become a dirty word during the Communist-sponsored Clinton reign of terror, isn't it?
-- Liberty (firstname.lastname@example.org), August 24, 1999.
First of all, my advice to you is don't even waste anymore of your time and expertise on some of these SCHMUCKS whose faggy, wimpy responses make me want to puke. Secondly, we who are aware of the EO's, the state of emergency (since 1933), the full-scale collateralization of everyone we are and own to the Int'l Banker scumbags, etc. appreciate your remarks....keep'em coming. Let's not let some of the polly's make us deviate from spreading the truth (no matter how painful) and from devising any ways to take our country back from the multicultural/queer loving/full of "white guilt"/ #$@&*^'s that are at work constantly to destroy our culture, heritage and our children's future.
-- saveamerica (email@example.com), August 24, 1999.
"saveamerica", you show you are a racist, bigot when you spout that crap. How are you going to "save america"?. Send all the other cultures to another country. America's not white enough for you is it?.
Sorry little angry babies like you who think you have all the answers are the real elitists. This isnt anything about Y2k, its about white power and strong-arm control of society by the far right.
-- skeezix (firstname.lastname@example.org), August 24, 1999.
Once again, you are spouting uncontrollably. Some bigot comes on and agrees with me, so that makes me a bigot? My wanting to expose Clinton's history of rape and sexual abuse is about "white power?" You know, this is a typical disinformational tactic: agree with your target, and mix in offensive rhetoric that will turn everyone off. Let's stick to the facts, shall we? The facts are that the Congress is sitting on a lot of sealed information that should be in the public domain. If we want it, all we have to do is ask for it. So everyone who's interested, who aren't weak-minded enough to be distracted by some inflammatory racial debate, just load those Congressional e-mail addresses into your address box and ask Congress to release the information. You paid for it. Tell them you want to see it.
What do I think about race? I think Clinton uses a false concern for blacks and homosexuals as a cover; it wins him a lot of "true believers" who will go along with any unconstitutional plan he wants to pursue. What has he really done for these groups, except talk? And even if he delivered on social justice, how, for instance, does that justify rape? Or taking bribes from the Communist Chinese? Or lying to the American people over and over again? He just denied ever using cocaine. Given his history of admitted lying, does that mean he did? Or are we not supposed to care about what is true anymore? We're just supposed to care about "the cause" - even if we're the only ones working for it, while he shops for a mansion and keeps pandering to minorities and the poor with mere lipservice. When will black people and gays get wise to this creep? Either you want to know the truth or you don't. Bill Clinton thinks you don't. He thinks you'll settle for being told what you want to hear. I say, lets shine some light on this guy: take two minutes to email Congress; then e-mail all your friends and ask them to do the same thing. ESPECIALLY if you're black, hispanic, gay, female, or care about equal rights for these groups. And especially if you're a democrat, because this creep is dragging your party into the mud. Do you really want to be a party to CONCEALING THE TRUTH ABOUT RAPE, for political reasons? Theres a point of diminishing returns with this kind of covering up, and Clinton passed it a long time ago.
-- Liberty (email@example.com), August 24, 1999.
"The whole art of government consists in being honest."
~ Thomas Jefferson
-- Wilferd (WilferdW@aol.com), August 24, 1999.
It is not unreasonable to hold the leaders of our nation to a higher standard of conduct. The real tragedy here is that this alleged evidence that is so shocking and so horrible is being buried in the name of political harmony. As decent and law abiding citizens, we have every right to be outraged at this kind of conduct by our legislators. Why wasn't this material presented as evidence in the impeachment trial? Why was it not given to the media in its entirety? The concerns about Comrade Clinton and Martial Law are completely valid and more than a little disturbing. The EO's in place make it very clear that this disreputable liar and whoremonger (bought and sold by Red China) can and probably WILL, do anything he wants.
It is my great concern that Y2K will enable and justify these harsh measures. As one nation, we should be wary and fearful of William Jefferson Clinton. He is NOT to be trusted...especially considering the powers that are available to him at the stroke of a pen.
Be it Y2K or Clinton, WHEN ARE WE THE PEOPLE GOING TO BE TOLD THE TRUTH???
-- Irving (Irving@privacy.net), August 24, 1999.
But like the first one posted if Bill's gonna become dictator then why's Hillary running for Senate?
-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 24, 1999.
Interesting disconnect here... a majority of the population supposedly believed Juanity Broaderick. And 2/3 believe that rapists deserve capital punishment.
Martial law under Clinton? I don't think it's possible on the scale you envision. Our soldiers take an oath to defend the Constitution, not the CIC.
Soldiers to help the Red Cross in scattered local areas decimated by fire or looting? Call me a traitor, but I see no problem with that. As long as they were there to lend a helping hand (and stand guard on streets where looting's occured), what's the big deal?
-- coprolith (firstname.lastname@example.org), August 24, 1999.
The Republicans are not disclosing that Billyjeff who works for the Bankers at the FED made a insanity plea at the closed door hearings in the House.He shocked the house members when in defense of his actions he stated he was just"crazy about that stuff!" of course the Republican intern jumpers had to admit they were " crazy about that too. isn't that called "taking liberties Liberty?
-- Ignatz Bukunin (email@example.com), August 24, 1999.
Here's some info on the reality of plans for martial law. If you do some simple web searches with the key phrases "martial law," "Executive Orders," "Critical Infrastructure," "Cyberterrorism," and combinations thereof, you will find all the information you need - that's assuming you really want to know, and aren't just whistling in the dark about this.
This article from Etherzone is about FEMA and Executive Orders. When Executive Orders are mentioned, we often hear objections, to the effect that the Executive Orders outlining dictatorship are obsolete, and have been recinded - "be quiet, that's all in the past." This is a false argument, as ALL the powers of "emergency government" and more have been explicitly incorporated into subsequent E.O.s.
Since 1933, the President has made law by decree like an emperor under a manufactured and continuously re-instated "state of emergency." We've done nothing about this, and it has emboldened the powers that be to extend their rule further. Coprolith expresses doubt about the scale of martial law I "envision." I don't "envision" diddly. I READ THE EXECUTIVE ORDERS. It's all there. This has happened every time we've let socialists gain power in the 20th century: they register and then round up all the guns, then kill their political enemies by the millions. It's hardly fanciful. We should be aware of their M.O. by now.
Please make an honest attempt to educate yourself on the Executive Order/Contingency Planning issue (remembering that "cyberterrorism" is a uphemism for Y2k) before you idly criticize my position further.
Here's the article:
The Secret Government No One Wants You To Know About
Ether Zone Online! 12/01/98 Bob Momenteller
This secret government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution.
It it not only the most powerful entity in the United States, it was created without regard to Constitution Law under Congress. This Governmental agency was created by Executive Order. It is not part of the CIA or the Military. This Governmental agency was first created by President Richard Nixon and has been refined since by Carter, Regan and Bush. The organization is called FEMA, short for Federal Emergency Management Agency. Most people who are familiar with this agency, often relate it to weather storms, hurricanes and the like. While this serves as a primary function of this agency, far more power has been licensed to this entity than meets the eye.
The original intent of FEMA was to assure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. The powers of FEMA continued to grow under people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas.
Few of the mass populace even know that this agency exists. A close inspection of your home mortgage papers however, will reveal it's existence if you live in a flood plain. Where ever disaster strikes, FEMA has probably had a hand in it. They were deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Many of those black helicopter reports are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given new responsibilities that include urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents.
FEMA was created with a series of Executive Orders. These orders became law whether or not they are Constitutional. They become law by simple publication in the Federal Registry. The key Executive Order Number 12148 created the agency that would interface with the Department of Defense. To date, FEMA has only spent 6% of it's budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has been spent on secret underground facilities and internment camps. An Executive Order signed by President Bush in 1989 authorized the Federal Emergency Management Agency to build 43 primary camps having a capacity of 35,000 to 45,000 prisoners each and also authorized hundreds of secondary facilities. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Below, we list some of the Executive Orders that could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power,gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals. EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001: allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002: designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003: allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004: allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005: allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051: specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310: grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049: assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period. EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921: allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. EXECUTIVE ORDER 12919: "National Defense Industrial Resources Preparedness" signed by President Clinton on June 3, 1994, delegates authorities, responsibilities and allocations of FEMA's Executive Orders for the confiscation of ALL PROPERTY from the American people, and their re-location and assignment to 'labor' camps. The Executive Order also supersedes or revokes eleven (11) previous Executive Orders [from 1939 through 1991] and amends Executive Order 10789 and 11790.
FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law, which activates FEMA's extraordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, such as demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis. These Presidential powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1993 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property of those suspected of being drug dealers, to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe...will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial.
Over the last 14 years , FEMA's readiness has been tried three times. In 1984, President Regan signed a directive that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors were placed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing employees of the Civil Defense of the Federal Executive Department possessing the highest possible security clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal security doors. Only personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin were allowed into the premises. The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law.
For the second time in 1990, FEMA was readied again during the Gulf War. Just prior to Bush's invasion of Iraq, newly drafted legislation would give FEMA the power to set up operations in any locality without permission. The agency was put on full alert in anticipation of the economic collapse of the Western World.
The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would have been empowered to step in. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles area, thus preventing a pretext for a FEMA response.
Any crisis that would trigger the use of FEMA appears to be in the area of civil unrest. Indeed, President Nixon changed the direction of these emergency powers during the Vietnam era. Prompted by mass war protests, Nixon considered domestic upheaval of greater importance. Diana Raynolds, program director of the Edward R. Murrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA today and the public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James Madison's worst nightmare that a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the Constitutional restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of centralized power, excessive privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual. These restraints, the balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of government, and the civil guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national security state with Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there would be those who would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray, believing that increasing state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight American's enemy within. In the short run, a national security state would probably be a relief to those whose personal security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug related crime. And, as the general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and social decay, they too may be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200 years of democracy."
The next event that may trigger FEMA for real may come at midnight on December 31, 1999. If the Y2K glitch turns out to be fact and not fiction, FEMA may suspend the Constitution and invoke martial law. A proposition that should scare the hell out of all of us.
Published in the December 1, 1998 issue of Ether Zone Online . Copyright ) 1998 Ether Zone Online (http://etherzone.com). Reposting permitted with this message intact.
-- Liberty (firstname.lastname@example.org), August 25, 1999.