I read that whole thread and while I might of agreed with some of you at the time it seems St. Francis might have been onto something. Even though I didn't post I hope I didn't send any bad feelings your way. I do believe in this stuff, but who is St. Francis of Assisi?

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), August 17, 1999

Answers

Catholics and historians are knowledgeable.

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 17, 1999.

St. Francis of Assisi

-- Lane Core Jr. (elcore@sgi.net), August 17, 1999.

Johnny,

The thread you were referring to...

;-D

St. Francis had an undeniable "gift" too.

Diane

The earth will move with great force in the next 10 days

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 001FqX

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 17, 1999.

Johnny,

THANKS for bringing up this thought, I doubt if any of those non-believers are capable of this type of act!!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), August 17, 1999.

St Francis- It seems to me it would have taken alot of courage to speak out like that on this forum. Thank you.

-- Gia (laureltree7@hotmail.com), August 17, 1999.

"The earth will move with great force in the next 10 days"

"It will be devastating"

I don't think this California quake measures up to St.Francis's "prediction". Sorry

-- (doesn't@matter.now), August 18, 1999.

doesn't matter,

If you don't think that a 5.0 earthquake is Great Force you might want to study up on the subject.

Can't seem to find ANT apologies, oh well!!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@tottacc.com), August 18, 1999.

A 5.0 earthquake unleashes a lot of energy, but it is hardly notable. A broken jar here or there. St. Francis could still very well be correct, but not on the basis of this little temblor.

-- Dog Gone (layinglow@rollover.now), August 18, 1999.

St Francis WAS correct, let's hope that the St Francis prediction will not be magnified.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), August 18, 1999.

St. Francis said the earthquake would be DEVASTATING. He also said it would happen in Mexico, Argentina, California or Thailand WITHIN the next 10 days. We don't owe him an apology, he has 9 more days left.

-- no apology here (noapologyhere@noapologyhere.com), August 18, 1999.

Ray, specifically, how was St. Francis correct?

-- RJ Smith (RJ Smith@grangg.com), August 18, 1999.

My My, aren't we touchy this morning!!

Altough this 5.0 earthquake was not devastating it WAS a serious tremor and I believe that St Francis deserves credit for predicting it. I don't expect any of the folks that provided snide remarks to EVER apologise, they don't have that kind of makeup!!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), August 18, 1999.

What these nay-sayers are essentially saying is they'll apologize when there's a 7.5 that kills thousands.

Kinda like their attitude towards Y2K.

They're hopeless; don't waste disc space on 'em.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 18, 1999.

St. Francis predicted a devastating earthquake. The California quake was not devastating. Therefore, this was not the quake he predicted.

However, he still tried to take credit for predicting this quake, even though it wasn't devastating. Odd.

In fact, it was "no kidding" and his fictional pets that were far more accurate in their predictions. Not perfect, but very close.

When it was pointed out that the California quake was not devastating, as predicted by St. Francis, he followed up with this:

I can still barely type I don't feel its over but now Guetamala or the yukatan comes into the picture.

St. Francis has 9 days. Unless he changes his mind, a devastating earthqauake must take place in Guatemala or the Yuchatan within that time. Until then, nobody owes him anything.

-- (sorry@try.again), August 18, 1999.

Ray, wasn't there someone else on that thread who posted and pin pointed exactly where the earthquake would be and what magnitude it would be? I think they were more accurate than St. Francis. Not touchy today, my headaches are going away.

-- RJSmith (RJSmith@grangg.com), August 18, 1999.

Keep going, Sorry.

I couldn't have mail-ordered a more precise cross-section view of the polly mind. Bravo!

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 18, 1999.

-- (sorry@try.again commented:

"St. Francis has 9 days. Unless he changes his mind, a devastating earthqauake must take place in Guatemala or the Yuchatan within that time. Until then, nobody owes him anything. "

Unfortunately "Sorry" you don't set the rules here!! Please refer to Lisa's post above for my comments.

Your Pal, Ray

PS Glad to read your headache is going away!

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), August 18, 1999.

Keep going, Sorry. I couldn't have mail-ordered a more precise cross-section view of the polly mind. Bravo!

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 18, 1999

So you're saying that because I analyzed St. Francis' prediction and concluded that it has not yet come to pass, I am somehow a "polly?" How so?

-- (sorry@try.again), August 18, 1999.

Unfortunately "Sorry" you don't set the rules here!!

Neither do you, Ray.

-- (sorry@try.again), August 18, 1999.

"Sorry" didn't set the rules, St. Francis set them. He was specific as to where the devastating earthquake will be and it will happen within 10 days! He has 9 days left for his prediction of an earthquake in Guatemala or the Yucutan to come true. I'll go on record here and say that St. Francis is wrong. Check back in 9 days and we'll see whose right. Also, I checked back on "no kiddings," prediction and he was closer to the prediction than St. Francis.

-- RJSmith (RJSmith@granggg.com), August 18, 1999.

The earthquake in Turkey was devastating, the earthquake in California wasn't anything to write home about.

-- ~~~~ (~~~@~~~.com), August 18, 1999.

-- (sorry@try.again commented:

"Neither do you, Ray."

Never said I did. I do find it interesting how adament you folks are about predictions and their validity, must be some ingrained inability to accept the FACT that folks are capable of this ability, oh well!!

Your pal, Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), August 18, 1999.

Sorry: notice St. Francis wasn't trying to sell you any earthquake supplies - just relaying information that he/she intuited that seemed worth alerting his fellow man over.

He was more correct than obviously all the seismologists in California, who did not predict any of this, even with their heavy horsepower data collection and analysis equipment.

We're lucky the quake was weak. Not even a BITR?, pun intended.

You totally dismiss that potentially lifesaving warning was given (a 6.0 probably would have taken lives) and instead pick nits because you can't stand for intuitive predictions to ever be even partly right. It jacks with your binary rational approach to reasoning.

This is a classic symptom of pollyannaism, and it ain't curable, either.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 18, 1999.

Gosh guys!

It's all certainly "interesting" but the earthquake in Turkey qualifies as "devastating" IMHO. Those are the people who need and deserve the worlds assistance, prayers and attention, at the moment.

When I went through the 1994 Northridge quake where 11,000 homes 'n businesses were destroyed... well I consider that one "borderline" devastating. Kobe, Japan one year later--to the day--was devastating. Mexico City was devastating.

The "bump" yesterday in Northern Ca was just that. The kind that rattles nerves and breaks dishes. Standard stuff on the West Coast. (I'm a native and lived all my life with these puppies).

SOME people really do have a clairvoyant "gift" (or clairaudient or clairsentient ones) to see, hear or sense upcoming problems (though they undoubtedly call it something less). At the moment St Francis's gift (as well as no kiddings) levels are still, um, questionable... to put it bluntly. Well just see... or not. (But the NorCal shaker was certainly timely). However, real MASTERS of the gift, in my experience, are very rare indeed. (But they do exist). Time and tide will tell.

In watching the local Bay Area news last night the one point that has me bothered is an expert interviewed from the Berkeley Seismic Lab indicated that the could be a pre-curser to something bigger. They cited the last bigger one in the Bay Area--the 1989 Loma Prieta quake--as having two pre-curser quakes--one a year in advance around a 5.0--and one in August, a few months in advance, similar 5.0 magnitude--then the actual quake hit in October.

Its the kind that break buildings, crack the roads and shatter lives that are the more devastating ones... and the ones to prepare deligently for... when you live on shaky ground.

Stay tuned... the world shifts... daily.

*Sigh*

Y2K plays against a backdrop of continuing life and death. Being prepared, just makes sense for all the unknowable twists and turns.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 18, 1999.

My pal Ray, this whole forum is nothing but predictions. How severe will Y2K be? Banks runs will begin on such-a-such date. I don't put much stock in any of the Y2K predictions. But nevertheless, that's what this forum is all about, Y2K predictions. Andy and others keep predicting the stock market crash, and the price of gold to sky rocket. Anyone can predict anything, it's just when it really happens it's either a lucky guess or you truly do have ESP. I think it's just a lucky guess.

-- ~~~ (~~~@~~~.com), August 18, 1999.

The thing about the Loma Prieta earthquake is that they did not even know the fault existed! They thought it was originally on the San Andreas fault but later discovered it was an ancient fault. St. Francis says that it will be centered in Guatemala or the Yucatan. Perhaps someone should get in touch with the authorities there and warn them. If think it's St. Francis' duty to warn them, they have 9 days to get ready for the devastation.

-- RJSmith (RJSmith@granggg.com), August 18, 1999.

Never said I did. I do find it interesting how adament you folks are about predictions and their validity, must be some ingrained inability to accept the FACT that folks are capable of this ability, oh well!!

What's interesting is how adamant you are about people's obviously incorrect predictions being correct. St. LouisLouis was wrong and you wouldn't admit that, now St. Francis is not yet right but you want people to apologize to him already. How about "no kidding" and his fictional pets? Why aren't you giving them any credit for coming up with a prediction that came much closer to being correct that St. Francis??

-- (sorry@try.again), August 18, 1999.

Diane has asked us to stop.. BUT, sorry: I seriously doubt the ficticious-pet-person would have STARTED a thread if he really had the intuition. In fact, I'd bet 1000.00 that said person was joshin' and is totally stunned that a quake actually came to pass.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 18, 1999.

Sorry: notice St. Francis wasn't trying to sell you any earthquake supplies - just relaying information that he/she intuited that seemed worth alerting his fellow man over.

So?? How does that change the fact that his prediction hasn't come to pass yet?

He was more correct than obviously all the seismologists in California, who did not predict any of this, even with their heavy horsepower data collection and analysis equipment.

Except that this wasn't the quake he predicted, so he wasn't correct. He predicted a devastating quake, which he says will arrive within the next 9 days. "No kidding" and his fictional pets came very close with the California quake, though. They're the ones who should get any credit.

We're lucky the quake was weak. Not even a BITR?, pun intended.

Yes, we are.

You totally dismiss that potentially lifesaving warning was given (a 6.0 probably would have taken lives)

If he was really trying to save lives, then he probably should have told the news services rather than waste his time with the relatively few people who read TB2000.

and instead pick nits because you can't stand for intuitive predictions to ever be even partly right.

What I can't stand is for people to say something is right when it's not. You know, like if someone says "we're compliant" and they're not, as opposed to saying "we're partly compliant" which may be good enough for you.

It jacks with your binary rational approach to reasoning.

And you prefer irrational reasoning?

This is a classic symptom of pollyannaism, and it ain't curable, either.

If rational analysis is a symptom of pollyannaism, then just call me a polly, I guess.

-- (sorry@try.again), August 18, 1999.

Continuing on, even against DJS's wishes....

[fake-pet-dude and pets] are the ones who should get any credit.

Sorry, this is not about betting or being right. It's about warnings. Can't believe I actually have to point this out to you. Are you a Taurus or something?

If he was really trying to save lives, then he probably should have told the news services rather than waste his time with the relatively few people who read TB2000.

Lookit the response half the Yourdonites gave St. The media would be more receptive?

What I can't stand is for people to say something is right when it's not.

Yo, intolerable, St. was expressing a gut feeling and not a 2- year remediation project's status. Do you get all crabby when forecasted twisters don't materialize, as well? Or turn out to be an F2 instead of an F5?

If rational analysis is a symptom of pollyannaism, then just call me a polly, I guess.

No, think I'll call you a flat-earther, instead. Or a Missourian.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 18, 1999.

"Diane has asked us to stop." -- Lisa

Lisa,

I haven't asked any one to "stop."

Frankly, I'm fascinated by the "beyond the physical" knowing. Sometimes it works, many times it doesn't. But when it does... well... it's impressive! Taking heed of a "consistent" track read... even if it's NOT "rational..." is just wise.

We do NOT have any evidence here of a "consistent" track record... or even pinpoint accuracy. That's just the truth. I too, suspect no kidding, WAS kidding. Sometimes... coincidence happens.

Much of the unexplained is not "rational" to the scientific mind. Many many scientific minds exhibit "questionable" sanity.

;-D

It's a "grand" world however you slice it... both the seen and the unseen... the known and the unknown. If people stopped exploring and pushing the frontiers of what we think we know, we'd never learn anything. We'd also loose much.

I'll always choose a vantage point that sees (as clearly as is possible) from inside the box and overviews from outside the box... simultaneously.

(Good training wheels for Y2K... and beyond).

Life 101? Or graduate level lessons? Who knows?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 18, 1999.

Hi - I lurk here for Y2K tidbits, so I don't know why I am even reading this. But I live in the Los Angeles area and was here for the Northridge quake. LA is lousy with seers, psychics, sensitives, and other entrepreneurs of that ilk. Not one of them foresaw the Northridge quake. Zero. And this in spite of the fact that there were pre-quakes the week before. I felt one, looked up and saw a few things swaying, but no one else paid any attention. I decided I needed to cut back on the coffee and get more sleep, since I seemed to be loosing touch.

-- kermit (colourmegreen@hotmail.com), August 18, 1999.

I seriously doubt the ficticious-pet-person would have STARTED a thread if he really had the intuition.

But He was more correct than obviously all the seismologists in California, who did not predict any of this, even with their heavy horsepower data collection and analysis equipment.

He was also more correct than St. Francis. But the fact that St. Francis started the thread is more important than the fact that his prediction didn't come true?

Sorry, this is not about betting or being right. It's about warnings.

Yes, and "no kidding"s warnings turned out to be almost correct, so why are you dismissing them?

Lookit the response half the Yourdonites gave St. The media would be more receptive?

If St. Francis was really trying to save lives, why wouldn't he do that, regardless of the consequences?

Yo, intolerable, St. was expressing a gut feeling and not a 2- year remediation project's status. Do you get all crabby when forecasted twisters don't materialize, as well?

No, I get all crabby when forcasted twisters don't materialize and people shout "Wow, look at that twister! What a great forcaster!"

I'll call you a flat-earther, instead. Or a Missourian.

I haven't decided what to call you yet, but so far I've got "someone who dismisses the predictions of those who are mostly correct and blindly believes those who are mostly wrong. No, wait, I think I've figured it out now. Why yes, you're a polly.

-- (sorry@try.again), August 18, 1999.

Hey, pal, them's fightin' words....

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 18, 1999.

Diane,

Re: the entirety of your Life 101 post: good stuff!

Sorry,

My compliments to your patient, step by step, replies.

Jerry

-- Jerry B (skeptic76@erols.com), August 18, 1999.

Hey you guys! I know you are enjoying this, um.. debate, but St. Francis has basically said this California quake was NOT it:

One For the Road

-- Gayla (privacy@please.com), August 18, 1999.

OK... Sorry:

It would seem you run into people everyday with prescient ability.

Are you a professional psychic? Who is more or less critiquing a fellow psychic boardmate?

If I had could prove that "no kidding" posted his/her prediction after the quake actually hit, would that alter your position?

Do you think dowsing/psychic/telepathy is hogwash, in general?

-- lisa (lisa@work.dense), August 18, 1999.

Lisa--I posted the prediction at least 4 hours prior to the earthquake. I'm sure there's a time log that a moderator can check.

-- no kidding (nokidding@nokiddinggg.com), August 18, 1999.

Lisa--I posted the prediction at least 4 hours prior to the earthquake. I'm sure there's a time log that a moderator can check.

P.S. Diane immediately posted it when she heard it on the radio! I posted the prediction several threads and hours before. Go back and check the threads prior to Diane posting the earthquake. The earthquake occured around 5:00 p.m.

-- no kidding (nokidding@nokiddinggg.com), August 18, 1999.

OK, so we have two psychics on board.

Nice to know.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 18, 1999.

Lisa, I'm not a psyhic, I just got lucky that's all. Now I think I'll go play the lotto, it's around $80 million.

-- no kidding (nokidding@nokiddinggg.com), August 18, 1999.

So, no kidding, were you originally just joshin' and subsquently were you completely stunned when the quake actually quaked?

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 18, 1999.

No I wasn't kidding around, I was serious. I put the dog and cat in the prediction because people are always saying that their dog or cat can tell when there's going to be a quake. When people predict stuff people often poo-poo it. I just had this strange feeling earlier in the day that California was going to have an earthquake, and I felt it was going to be on the San Andreas fault, and I felt that it was going be near Hayward. Hayward also has it's own fault, but I felt that it wasn't going to be on that fault. I don't know how to explain it, but I posted it because St. Francis was predicting something DEVASTATING, and I posted what I felt was going to happen in specifics. This isn't the first time it's happened to me. I am not psychic, I just got lucky.

-- no kidding (nokidding@nokiddingg.com), August 18, 1999.

Looks like Lisa owes someone an apology. And it's not St. Francis.

-- (say@sorry.now), August 18, 1999.

Ok... no kidding,

That's "kewl." Thanks. Good job. (It's "ok" to be yourself too... without the animal reference for back-up. My cats just slept. Lousy predictors, huh?)

$80 million, humm? Think I'll just mosey on down and pick up a lotto ticket. Um... you good with those kind'a numbers?

;-D

Ta. (Luck to both of us and other CA lurkers).

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 18, 1999.

No Diane, I'm not good with numbers or with gambling. I just got a quick pick because the machine's numbers would be just as good as mine. But if I win, I'll sure let you all know. As a matter of fact, we'll have a big after Y2K bash and I'll pay for the party. I go on record saying this, the party will be sometime in May/June....if I win.

-- no kidding (nokidding@nokiddingg.com), August 18, 1999.