If Y2K will only be a bump in the road why have so many states already passed exemption laws? Citizens will have no recourse if a family member is injured or killed because a state or local government failed in its duty to protect and to serve. Has it come to this? Protect the governemnent at all costs? I can't believe that it is constitutional to pass such laws. Any government agency that fails to fix their Y2K problems should be held accountable to the people. Hopefully, if worse comes to worse, people will be smart enough to throw out the so-called "leaders" who didn't do much of anything to get this straightened out earlier. The Year 2000 problem has been known for decades, but because everyone waited until the last minuite they won't be able to get everything remediated in time. How can any government agency or business for that matter say that they did all the could or put forth their best effor?

-- Darla Nice (dnice@hgo.net), August 17, 1999

Answers

Darla,

It's worth noting that none of these state-passed laws have been tested in a "real" case to see if they are constitutional.

Ed

-- Ed Yourdon (HumptyDumptyY2K@yourdon.com), August 21, 1999.

Darla - I have no idea about the state level, but the federal law does not limit liability in matters of personal injury or death.

-- Brooks (brooksbie@hotmail.com), August 17, 1999.

Darla .... The question is not how they can pass " such laws "; they have passed 200 MILLION laws . rules and regulations in the U.S. and it's growing by 10,000 a DAY !! This is how "they" control the slaves (more later). As NO ONE can possibly know which 10 laws they broke (before lunch) each day, it's only a matter of time until one of their officers (of the court - read system) witnesses it ( or, some do gooder with a cell phone reports you ). Consider what happens now. You either pay the fine or go to jail. Of course you pay the fine ! WHO GETS IT ? The people who are part of the system that wrote them; local, state and federal officials; which makes these peolple MORE powerful, and LESS than willing to give ANY back ! ( Note Clintons/Democrats objections to giving back YOUR MONEY that they took IN EXCESS OF NEEDS ! ) The whole system is rotten to the core. Think of Y2K as a blessing in disguise . In the slave south, careful records were kept on the return on the money invested in this "property". Turns out the best return on a slave was 12%. In Connecticut, local ,state and federal taxes (known AND hidden) now account for 56% of ALL the money you earn. Is it any wonder these politicians never want this slavery system that returns 3 TIMES the best any slaveholder in the south ever received to end.They NEVER want this gravy train to stop ! And, therefore , to protect their "earnings" from these millions of slaves, they just pass ONE MORE LAW THAT BENIFITS THEM, NOT YOU !!! Eagle

-- Hal Walker (e999eagle@freewwweb.com), August 17, 1999.

Could it be that politicians don't want to be held accountable for their actions? If this is the case, how will they react after TEITRAH? I could postulate that they will look for someone (else!) to blame... Someone who doesn't have the political, legal, or media clout to defend themselves. (IT People?)

Definition: TEITRAH = the excretia impacts the rotating air handler.

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), August 17, 1999.

Thanks for everyone's response. The webpage from Brooks Bie is really informative. It seems that government has gotten so big and out of control that there may be nothing we *can* do to change it. I suppose once they outlaw guns it will be all over. I really hope (possibly in vain) that Y2K will not cause a total meltdown of law and order. In reality, we do need some form of government to deal internally and with other nations, just maybe a government less intrusive than the one we have now.

This forum is a great place to discuss this. I have a feeling, however, if things get ugly, we will have martial law imposed. If that happens, we may not have a chance to redesign our system of government. I ask you this...are the people in this country ready or able to form a new government if ours collapses? Will the current politians, the army, ect. allow that to happen? Also, do you think it will come to a civil war scenario first?

-- Darla Nice (dnice@hgo.net), August 18, 1999.

Darla .... I think Clinton will be our last president . The hand writing is on the wall, but with sheeple who can't fathom Y2K , how could they be expected to read it ? As someone else in another thread noted, God brought nations down all through the ancient times, by allowing (placing ?) the worst possible leaders in their governments, just before major calamities struck. I said to someone else, in an old Yourdon thread, think of all the things you may NEVER be able to do after Y2K and take that vacation, visit that relitive, enjoy that (whatever) before the memory making ends, and the " I wish I had taken the time to ...... while I still could " begins. Just stop and think of those many things that would give us pleasent memories in hard times, and do them, NOW ! My wife worked for years in centers for aging/dying people. She said theose who had the best dispositions were the one's who had the memories no one could take away; those who had postponed memory making till it was too late were the sad and bitter ones. Old blue eyes said it best in , "I did it my way." As far as government/politicians are concerned, they will always be around. Most people are willing to give up freedoms/money to have someone "responsible" for what they are not willing to take care of themselves, or teach their children to be responsible for, like setteling issues that arise each day . It's probably why God gave us the 10 comandments and the Jews pleaded with Him to send them a king. Too many things to remember, right ? Eagle

-- Hal Walker (e999eagle@treewwweb.com), August 18, 1999.

and that web page was... http://www.itaa.org/year2000/legis.htm

-- Brooks (brooksbie@hotmail.com), August 20, 1999.

Oops! If forgot to post the web page. :0 Thanks.

-- Darla Nice (dnice@hgo.net), August 20, 1999.

Ed, you are absolutely right! I didn't think of that aspect. You're saying, for example, that if someone was hurt or killed because of the state's failure to fix a Y2K system, and if that person sued (challenged the law) and won, that the law may be declared unconsitutional? Something like Roe vs Wade?

Darla

-- Darla Nice (dnice@hgo.net), August 21, 1999.