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When will they be ready? I found this because of Gary North. You can attack the man but thanks to him this document can be posted publicly.

pulled from a pdf file created August 5, 1999 and you can find at:

Link: http://www.house.gov/reform/gmit/y2k/HighImpact.pdf

1 Child Nutrition Programs 3 States - December 1999

2 Food Safety Inspection States - Unknown

3 Food Stamps States - December 1999

4 Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children - December 1999

5 Patent and Trademark Processing - Government Printing Office, Department of the Interior U.S. Geological Survey, Department of Agriculture National Finance Center, Department of the Treasury Financial Management Service, European Patent Office, Japanese Patent Office, Other Foreign Intellectual Property Offices, 83 Patent and Trademark Depository Libraries, Commercial Information Providers, Reed Technology and Information Services, Inc. - November 1999

6 Commerce Weather Service - Federal Aviation Administration; U.S. Air Force Weather Agency; U.S Navy, National Ice Center; National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service; Atmospheric Environment Services Canadian Meteorological Centre, WSI Corporation, PRC Corporation, United Airlines, and Northwest Airlines- March 1999

7 Defense - Military Hospitals Health Care Providers, Managed Care Support Contractors, Veterans Health Administration, Department of Health and Human Services, Food and Drug Administration Biomedical Clearinghouse, Pharmaceutical Industry - November 1999

8 Defense Military Retirement (Defense Retiree and Annuity Pay System (DRAS)) Various service personnel systems, Federal Reserve Bank, individual financial institutions - Unknown

9 Education (1) Student Aid Approximately 6,500 postsecondary schools, third party servicers, guaranty agencies, state education offices - September 1999

10 Energy (1) Federal Electric Power Generation and Delivery Army Corps of Engineers, Bureau of Reclamation, Tennessee Valley Authority, industry, North American Electric Reliability Council, Industry - October 1999

11 Federal Emergency Management Agency (1) Disaster Relief Emergency Service Providers throughout the Emergency Management community (Federal, State, and local government) - Unknown

12 Health and Human Services - Child Care State and Local Governments - December 1999

13 Health and Human Services - Child Support Enforcement State and Local Governments - December 1999

14 Health and Human Services - Child Welfare State and Local Governments - December 1999

15 Health and Human- Services Disease Monitoring and the Ability to Issue Warnings State and Territorial Public Health Laboratories, Department of Agriculture lab, Food and Drug Administration labs, U.S. Treasury, Vaccine manufacturers, Healthcare providers, Tuskegee beneficiaries - Unknown

16 Health and Human Services Indian Health Services American Indian Tribes, Alaska Indian Health Programs, Urban Indian Health Programs, Tribal Organizations - October 1999

17 Health and Human Services Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program State and Local Governments - December 1999

18 Health and Human Services Medicaid States - December 1999

19 Health and Human Services - Medicare Medicare Contractors - Unknown

20 Health and Human Services - Organ Transplants United Network for Organ Sharing, 61 Organ Procurement Organizations, 272 Transplant Centers, 159 Histocompatibility Labs - Unknown

21 Health and Human Services - Temporary Assistance for Needy Families State and Local Governments - December 1999

22 Housing and Urban Development (5) Housing Loans (GNMA) Issuers (e.g., mortgage lenders), Department of the Treasury, PriceWaterhouseCoopers, Chase Manhattan Bank - September 1999

23 Housing and Urban Development - Section 8 Rental Assistance Internal Revenue Service, Social Security Administration, Owners/Agents, Housing Authorities, Department of the Treasury, Lock Box (Mellon Bank), Census Bureau, Bureau of Standards (NIST), Office of Management and Budget, U.S. Postal Service, Consumer Credit Association, Dunn and Bradstreet, Equifax Technology, Experian Information Services - September 1999

24 Housing and Urban Development Public Housing 4,000 Public Housing Agencies, 10,000 Owners/Agents Unknown

25 Housing and Urban Development FHA Mortgage Insurance Department of the Treasury, Internal Revenue Service, Department of Education, Department of Agriculture, Veterans Administration, Department of Commerce, Federal Reserve, Small Business Administration, Lenders, Borrowers, Mortgagees, Fannie Mae, Banks, Credit Bureau, CENCOR, CBR/TRW, United Communications Group, MGIC, DESI, SOZA, Tower Comm., State/local Tax Authority, Check Writing Vendor, Autocall Vendors - September 1999

26 Housing and Urban Development Community Development Block Grants Department of the Treasury, Prospective Grantees, Grant Recipient - September 1999

27 Interior (1) Bureau of Indian Affairs Programs Tribes under PL93-638, Dept. of Justice, Dept. of Education, MMS, Dept. of Treasury, OTFM Unknown

28 Justice (3) Federal Prisons State and Local Correction Facilities - Unknown

29 Justice National Crime Information Center Federal and State Law Enforcement Agencies, U.S. Armed Services, U.S. Postal Service - Reported to be completed by July 1999 - not yet completed

30 Justice Immigration Federal, State & Local Governments, Commercial, Foreign - Unknown

31 Labor (1) Unemployment Insurance 53 State Employment Security Agencies (SESAs) - December 1999

32 Office of Personnel Management (3) Federal Employee Health Benefits The Retirement and Insurance Service, Health Benefits Carriers in (FEHBP) - Unknown

33 Office of Personnel Management Federal Employee Life Insurance The Retirement and Insurance Service, MetLife - Reported to be completed by July 1999 - not yet completed

34 Office of Personnel Management Federal Employee Retirement Benefits Retirement & Ins. Service, Dept. of Treasury Financial Mgmt. Service (FMS), Federal Reserve Board, U.S. Postal Service, telecom partners, National Assoc. of Retired Federal Employees - Unknown

35 Postal Service (1) Mail Service FAA and largest commercial airlines, largest trucking companies, postage meter manufacturers, Citibank, Emery processing centers that transport priority mail, commercial banks, Federal Reserve - Unknown

36 Railroad Retirement Board (1) Retired Rail Worker Benefits SSA, Dept. of Treasury, Health Care Financing Administration - Unknown

37 Social Security Administration (1) Social Security Benefits Dept. of Treasury, Federal Reserve, Postal Service - Completed - December 1998

38 State (1) Passport Applications and Processing Mellon Bank, U.S. Postal Service, FedEx, Government Printing Office, outside vendors - Reported to complete project as of June 1999 - project still not completed - Unknown

39 Transportation (2) Air Traffic Control System Airline Carriers, 96 Countries to which U.S. Carriers fly, International Civil Aviation Organization - Unknown

40 Transportation Maritime Safety Program International Y2K Cooperation Center, United Nations - Unknown

41 Treasury (1) Cross-border Inspection Services Federal Agencies, State and International Governments, Trade Community -October 1999

42 Veterans Affairs (2) Veterans Benefits Dept. of Treasury Financial Management Service - Reported to complete project as of July 1999 - project still not completed - Unknown

43 Veterans Affairs Veterans Health Care National Patient Safety Partnership, Organizations in the public and private healthcare industry - Unknown


When I read a report like this one I get shivers. For me, it illustrates perfectly the disconnect between TPTB and the real people. Read through the list above and think about who will be affected if these services are not available? The elderly, the ill, the children, the poor.

The wealthy need not worry because hey don't depend upon many of these services and that is why the government spin is "everything will be fine." Because, for them, it will be.

However, if these services are not available then how might the majority, we the people, react? I don't think it looks too good.

If many of these services are lost then people will die. And, by reading that many will be done at the very last minute does not give me comfort. Seeing that many have no idea when they will be done creates distress. Reading that the few that were suppose to be done already are not, that affirms my worst fears.

Care for and watch over the elderly, the infirmed and the children. Make sure that you know who in your area is not prepared or not able to prepare. See that their suff

-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 16, 1999


See that their suffering is kept to a minimum.

Mike =====================================================================

-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 16, 1999.

opps, well, the formatting is a little funny, download the document, the gist comes through clearly however.

Mike =================================================================

-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 16, 1999.

Where do you find that it was created on August 5. This is the same as was reported on June 15, 1999. See for yourself: Print out the link above. Take out the "HighImpact.pdf" part in the URL. This will take you to the GMIT Y2K website. Click on the June 15 report for High Impact systems. Print this one out. Compare the two. They are the same.

By the way, full end to end testing with the partners in the program as well as fully developed and tested contingency plans are part of their "ready" definition. This is not to say the programs are not remediated and tested by themselves. In this way, the programs might already be compliant, per the internal and stand-alone testing, but additional end-to-end testing with the partners is still to come, as well as the development of usable contingency plans.

The truth is in the details.

-- MrDetail (Details@detail.com), August 16, 1999.

Mr. Detail,

Here's a detail you can find if you have a Macintosh. Click on the icon and choose "get info". Check "Date Created" which says "Thursday, August 5th, 1999." As in, this pdf document was created on August 5, 1999. That's where I made my mistake.

By checking this date as opposed to the actual "file info" embedded within the document I was incorrect. This date, within the document, is listed as June 15, 1999. Therefore, I am incorrect in my initial reporting and I apologize.

However, is it your position that because this document is two months old the information is out of date?

Regardless, can you explain why it is that programs which were to be "completed" by a certain date are as of now still reported as NOT being done with a date finish date as "unknown"?

Also, perhaps since the devil is in the details, maybe you can explain the title of the document...


Which suggests to me that these programs would have a high degree of impact on the population if they are not completed.

Regarding end to end test...well, the devil is in those details too, isn't he? If the states and local governments cannot work with the systems then the point is moot and the end results are in fact the same.



-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 16, 1999.

Again, I ask, where is Koskinen getting his evidence that all is well. It appears to me that either he's lying or he's basing his opinion on evidence which has not been made public.

(And, by the way, an entity's statement to the effect of "We're ready," or, "We're right on schedule to be ready" is not evidence. Such a statement is merely a conclusion, not evidence. If you listen to all of Koskinen's statements, he always says words to the effect of "We've seen no evidence of the potential for widespread disruption." Then he says to prepare for the three-day weekend. Is this another assinine word game conjured up by this group of too smart-for-their-britches Yale lawyers? ((is is, alone, sexual relations, ad nauseum)) In other words, he doesn't look for evidence, instead he echoes PR froth and then concludes that it's a non-event because he's "seen" no evidence to the contrary. Are we being led by the see-no-evil monkey?... The Sgt. Schulz of Western Civilization?)

-- Puddintame (achillesg@hotmail.com), August 16, 1999.

Mr. Details, I have never read a post from you before today so I'd like you to sit out the following. Thanks for the tip on finding the document but it's clear that this pdf was buried.


Question for the regulars who I know very, very well.

Have you read or found this information prior to today in your research? Has this information been posted here already?

Thank you.



-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 16, 1999.

With only 137 days left until Y2K, end-to-end testing needs to be done soon--very soon. What if end-to-end testing on a high-impact federal program reveals major problems? There isn't much time left for further debugging.

That's why we had that mantra last year about completing remediation by December 31, 1998 to allow a year for testing...

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), August 16, 1999.

Here it is, Mike.

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), August 16, 1999.


A few points to consider, but before that a clarification:

I do not mean to justify or defend the truthfulness of the Government's claims of (non)compliance of the government systems. I am simply pointing out a different perspective on the document at hand. With that, I will continue:

a) This document was thoroughly debated two months ago. Gary North put it on his web page as a "hidden document." This is patently false. I went to the root: www.house.gov, and found this document from there (link path: committees, reform committee, subcommittees, gmit committee, year 2000 issues, high impact report) Mr. North says that thier silence during august is "proof" that nothing is getting done. THESE HAVE BEEN QUARTERLY REPORTS.

b) Regarding the claims that the are hypocritical because so many of the agencies are done, but they are not ready. Simple answer: The agency's reporting was based on internal compliance. They were charged to make sure their mission critical systems were compliant...internally. The GAO identified several programs where more activity was needed, such as end-to-end testing and detailed, tested contingency plans. These are what appears in the High Impact report. (Again, I am not defending, just offering an explanation)


-- MrDetail (Detail@detail.com), August 16, 1999.

No, no, no...Mr. Details. What you have posted is not correct. Perhaps you can share a link where we might find more information on what you have shared.


Upon further review of THIS document what you have stated IS NOT what is stated on the document itself.

The following questions were asked, I did not post the Yes or No answer as the date when ready was an obvious indication that the program wasn't ready.

"Is the Program Ready?" -- I did not include this answer

"If NO, When Will It Be Ready?" - I did include this answer

Therefore, the ONLY information that could be considered questionable under your argument regarding the age of the document is whether or not the programs which were to be completed in June and July were actually completed.

So, the question is, were they completed?



-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 16, 1999.

I apologize, Mike. I was writing the "clarification" post at the same time you asked me to sit out. I will bow out now, per your request. Maybe you will be seeing my posts in the future.


-- MrDetail (Detail@detail.com), August 16, 1999.


The info had already been posted on this forum. It goes back to this thread from June:


"2 out of 43? Unbelievable!"

These September, December and unknown dates are not good news, though, when you consider that the federal government originally said remediation would be complete by September 30, 1998:


"Coming up short on Y2K - Many agencies missed last week's OMB goal for having systems fixed and ready for testing"

-- Linkmeister (link@librarian.edu), August 16, 1999.

Thanks Lisa! Sorry I missed the earier debate.

Regarding this document being a hidden document, point taken. I found it after backing up on the url as suggested.

Yet, it is a pdf file which I would consider being a hidden document to the majority of net users. It isn't a document that could be "searched" and easily found. And, because many people do not use Adobe Acrobat I would consider this an interesting format to utilize. With todays html tools and programs creating this as an interactive document would have been very, very, very, very easy.

Also, because I use Acrobat constantly in my line of work as a Graphics professional, I would argue that creating a pdf file of these documents when they are ONLY 50k in size for this document and 11k and 15k for the two other documents is very telling.

The average size of a pdf document I send via email is about 500k to a megabyte.



-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 16, 1999.

I had the same question about the date of this report that (I believe) Mr. Detail had. North posted it this morning. Without checking, it looked like the same old same old (which North has been known to do on slow news days). It is one of the more revealing items on .gov, and I was hoping it had been updated - you know how much the DWGIs hate hearing old news. North subsequently posted a thread stating that Rep. Horn has not been updating his site.

-- Brooks (brooksbie@hotmail.com), August 16, 1999.

Mr. Detail,

Your civility is reassuring. I appreciate that very much and look forward to your posts in the future.

Bottom line, this is a hot button for me. It doesn't affect me directly as I'm self employed and do not benefit from government programs directly. It does, however, have consequences in my communitity and all communities if the government cannot operate at it's current capacity.

Politics aside, the population of this country has become dependent upon the government to provide services. I shudder to think about these not being available and the catastrophic problems that will take place as a result.

Hopefully, because we have new people finding this site everday, my error in posting this information again will benefit someone. Or, perhaps, if there are those without access to Acrobat, this information will offer new insight.



-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 16, 1999.


Would you mind if we took this discussion off-line and corresponded through E-Mail. That way I would lose some of my anonymity to you and possibly open up new areas of debate. Tell me what you think.

-- MrDetail (Detail@detail.com), August 16, 1999.

Mr. Detail,

That is an extremely generous offer and I would love to hear from you. Absolutely!

My email is real.

Thank you very much.



-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 16, 1999.

Federal Reserve bank: unknown

I wonder if this is why I didn't sleep last night? Jeesh...

-- Berry Picker (BerryPicking@yahoo.com), August 16, 1999.

It's the post office that makes me nervous. But I think I read at their site that they are ready. Of course, there are possuible disruptions even for a system that's "ready."

-- Mara Wayne (MaraWAyne@aol.com), August 16, 1999.

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