Ok, I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this, but what the hell...

I've had premonitions many times in my life, sometimes reliable, sometimes not...

Forget the news, the Aztec Calendar, etc...

How many of you have also had premonitions of something major happening in the next couple of weeks?

It's wierd, but I feel something major happening real soon... not sure what... doesn't feel like death & destruction, but like a BIG change of some kind.. strange, huh?

Anyone else?

-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), July 31, 1999

Answers

Carl, I am glad you were the one to say that and not me. Here is my story. My bestfriend's father is a preacher at one of the churches in town. He has "visions" and so far all of them have come true. I am not a real churchy person, maybe I should be, but I do believe him. I do believe in God and pray on my own time although it is not in the church, as I have had some bad experiences there that I will not go into at this time.

Anyway, he told his daughter about the "vision" and she relayed it onto me (even though she is very DWGI). He said that God talked to him and told him to look around at all the churches being built. God supposedly told him that the churches being built were not done in vain. And that we are facing serious problems come around the year 2001. Said that when our new leader was elected that he would discover there is no surplus and that we are in serious trouble and the only way out would be to have a depression. And we are facing really hard times ahead. He (the preacher) did not mention Y2K and when I asked him about it he said that the churches were being built because people needed to come "home". I asked him if he was preparing and he said No he was not because God would take care of him and his family. He said that there was no sense in storing food that someone would just come take away and there was no way to help everyone so it would not serve a purpose. I don't know what to think. I know he predicted that the small town they were living in would be hit with heavy distruction and a week later three tornado's destroyed the town.

I myself have never experienced any sort of vision but I do know that he is a very sane man and does not talk through his hat like alot of preachers I have known. It is very scary to me. ANd I am going to prepare anyway. Is this the kind of thing you were looking for?

-- shellie (shellie01@hotmail.com), August 01, 1999.

Premonitions aren't wierd at all. I often know who's at the other end of the phone when it rings (and I do NOT have caller ID). Just something that some of us have.

My predictions are usually pretty close to the mark but I'm almost always off in my timing (which is why I try and stay out of the stock market). I'm not talking about earthquakes, fires, etc. but I do 'know' when things are moving in a particular direction and my friends have lost so many bets that no one will bet with me anymore.

My gut tells me something is 'coming up' between now and early Sept, which probably really means something serious in November. I'll even venture to say that it'll be bank runs/withdrawl limitations followed by martial law that will set the course of the Y2K panic to come...

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), August 01, 1999.

TECH 32

I knew you were going to say that! :)

-- Same as B4 (NWPhotog@Foxcomm.net), August 01, 1999.

y2k=divisions.=JUDGEMENTS=[not all bad.]lessons in respect.

-- prophecy. (dogs@zianet.com), August 01, 1999.

I have heard that something big is supposed to happen in August.

-- freddie (freddie@thefreeloader.com), August 01, 1999.

Carl, Rest assured you are not alone in your internal alarm system. I've been feeling very strange myself for the past couple of weeks.Not worried about getting 'flamed' on this subject,but if you stand back and watch people carefully, there IS in fact something different about the way people in my area are acting. The malls are unusually crowded, theme parks are overflowing, and movie theatres just don't seem to have enough tickets.It's as if there are many "in the fold" of this same feeling....perhaps they feel this is their last chance to spend money like it's not going to be there soon.I have been a stockbroker for the last 12 years, and up until the last three months or so I have been designated a 'raging bull' in a market that can't seem to make a mistake.I've been advising clients to take profits quite simply because I have a gut feeling that something is "just not right."My gut feelings (when they are this profound) are usually right, but I become so overloaded with this "sense" that my only recourse is to continue to gather more and more information. I'm not really sure why I do this simply because it only clarifies my original belief, but I do feel we're n for a big surprise of some sort. Don't feel alone Carl....I'm right there with you.

-- mark (internal@larms.edu), August 01, 1999.

If churches are so beloved by "God" why does "he/she/it" frequently collapse them in South America during earthquakes? Why do the churches near where I'm presently staying have bars on the windows, fences, and gates (locked at night?)

-- A (A@AisA.com), August 01, 1999.

Carl,

I also, have had some disturbing "dreams" recently with regard to the y2k issue. While you couldn't pay me to take the advice of any so called "psychic", their is something to be said for intuition.

GBA

-- MidWestMike_ (MidWestMike_@hotmail.com), August 01, 1999.

Hi all,

Generally, I come here to observe the conversation and try to get the reassurance that all I'm doing to prepare is the right thing. I've contributed answers a couple of times, but mostly "listen".

Carl, I got on line this morning at 5:45 because I couldn't sleep...all I can think about is that there really isn't as much time left as everyone else thinks. I probably have enough food stored for my family of 4 for a year. Yesterday, I was at a wholesale club with one of my 8 siblings. My cart was full (every time I go)...hers had some snack items and useless stuff. I asked when she was going to start getting extra canned stuff and she just shrugged. My stomach aches when I encounter this. Clueless, just clueless!! Only one other sibling is even remotely preparing. The children and spouses of these 8 total around 40 people. That is why I keep filling my cart. And yes, I feel that we are on the edge of time.

Shellie, It is obvious that you don't know scripture. If you do have a Bible handy, you might try reading the book of Hebrews (even a bit much for seasoned readers). There are no modern day prophets. The Word of God as given is His complete revelation to His creation. These "visions" always coming true are a stretch at the least and a lie at the worst. Maybe even coincidence. The reality that is self evident is scary enough...forget these fasle visions. And definitly prepare.

A, I'm not sure what your question about destroyed chusches and churches with bars was leading too. I can tell you that the "Church" is the body of Christ, made up of believers. The group of people that I meet with each week (my congregation) presently meets in a high school to worship "HIM". It is a sweet time of fellowship and the building is most irrelavent.

-- (nearly)Ready and Waiting (ready_a@hotmail.com), August 01, 1999.

shelly... " He (the preacher) did not mention Y2K and when I asked him about it he said that the churches were being built because people needed to come "home". I asked him if he was preparing and he said No he was not because God would take care of him and his family."

I think the answer for this kind of reasoning is that HE is TRYING to take care of them by providing the warning (think Joseph and Noah).. HE doesn't do food storage deliveries. Get shopping. (he's got a congregation to motivate and provide for!)

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), August 01, 1999.

Carl:

Yes, my "gut" is screaming at me to finish. In fact, I don't know why I'm online here. I should be filling out catalog orders.

Something wicked this way comes.

Waste anything but time.

-- Jon Williamson (pssomerville@sprintmail.com), August 01, 1999.

Me, too. Or should I say, My guts, too.

I think it's this GPS thing coming up. I really think it will set off a LOT of ripples, technically and emotionally. Folks will see the domino effect in action on a larger scale and Finally put 2 and 2 together. While many will still not come up with 4, enough will to really change the atmosphere. I'm afraid that whatever you don't have before then will become very hard to get. I can't bear to think too much about what will happen when so many realize there isn't enough time...

Y2K is etching lines on my face and turning my hair grey at an alarming speed.

-- Arewyn (isitthatlate@lready?.com), August 01, 1999.

In response to your question A, "On God collapsing churches"...I always find it interesting to look at any tragic news I see to see if it involves Christians and more often these days, it does. I know this sounds strange but I think as we move into the last days, Satan's attacks on Christians will be more intense and overt. And I think alot of these things are really going to be supernaturally inspired--I always wonder when people suddenly snap and then say "a voice told me to do it?"--several of the high school incidences follow this pattern I think. I realize God has to allow this though so I know that is a hard pill to swallow. Yet, I think there are plenty of answers in the bible on why God allows these things to happen-as difficult as it is to accept.

I think Y2K is going to be big. However, I think it is only "the beginning of sorrows" for the world even if after it runs its course--we get a brief repreive. I just feel driven to prepare and to especially share with others about preparing. I have handed out over a hundred packets. Yet I don't have real answers from God other than I have been led to try to read though and understand (by reading the judgment prophecies and events in the bible) how God deals with his own and those being judged during those times of judgment. It is very interesting to study.

I really (and don't ask me why other than "I know that I know") believe God is giving us a window of time that he will slow down the plans of the globalists/NWOers (sort of like what he did in Babylon to confuse the "language" or communications of those who joined together to create a "one world" kind of edifice)--who really need computerization to get their plans in place. He will use this time and the hardship of Y2K to draw people to himself and allow us to serve as his hands, feet, and mouth. Then after, he will let them succeed in their plans. Remember, Russia had a window of time for evangelism. This is freaky, I know, but if we look at the end of the bible, all of these things have to start to happen at some point.

If you are feeling afraid, I highly recommend reading "Spiritual Survival During the Y2K Crisis" by S. Farrar. It has wonderfully comforting examples of God's providence and care for his people. I bought it for everyone in my family and my friends.

-- T (applpie@aol.com), August 01, 1999.

Carl,

Yes, I am really feeling it too.

It could be that I am not ready. And I know the GPS situation has me worried.

For any of you that are into astrology, there is an eclipse and a grand cross Aug 11/13. There are some sites on the net with good explanations of just why this is so ominous. I do not have them handy, but if anyone is interested I will be happy to post. Let me know.

Most people here have seen the previous threads on the various prophecies and psychics predictions for this time period.

All signs point to the same conclusion. TS is about to HTF!

Lora

-- Lora (artemis45@hotmail.com), August 01, 1999.

If "a day to the Lord is as a thousand years, and a thousand years a day," then we are nearing, hour by hour, now, the dawn of the 'third day.' The hearts of Christians leap to think of His return. Yet, "scoffers will arise..."

-- Spidey (in@jam.commie), August 01, 1999.

The strangest thing happened to me in the grocery store the other day. I have a neighbor who works there. We were chatting about all the rain we've been having and out of the clear blue she said,

"The end of the world is coming, isn't it?"

Scared the S--- out of me! She was dead serious.

-- (stranger22@mailexcte.com), August 01, 1999.

hey gang, here's what I've put together so far ...

a total eclipse over Europe (Aug. 11, 1999). After passing thru the center of France, touches the northwest coast of Turkey, crossing the deserts of Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan, to finish at local dusk in India.

(comet Lee) After perihelion, the comet will emerge from the solar glare in mid-August to become a Northern Hemisphere circumpolar object in September Lee comes out of the direction of Cancer. Again, just as prophesied by Nostradamus.

Aug. 13, 1999 Aztec "Day of Destiny" was forecast by the ancient Aztecs to be a profound turning point in human history. This happens to be the only Friday the 13th in 1999 also.

It may not be a coincidence that there is to be a astrological 'grand cross' on/around Aug. 18, '99 - the exact date of Cassini's earth- flyby. August 18, 1999 The 'grand cross' will be occurring in the sky astrologically/astronomically. On this date, Cassini's earth-flyby, or earth-crossing, occurs.

August 22, 1999 GPS 're-set' Receivers manufactured before 1994 are especially prone to failure.

... I'm still lookin, if anyone has more info email me.

peace, Dan

-- Dan G (earth_changes@hotmail.com), August 01, 1999.

Yea. Feeling of impending doom. My Celtic synapses are screaming theres trouble coming. That sharp tingling heavy feeling when the storm clouds surround, the sky has gone dark and all the earth holds its breath for the first lightning strike. Maybe not premonition,eh? maybe just the emotional overflow of so much news and rhetoric and the mental clashes the conflicting info generates. Kind of like a subconcious purging of anxiety. Its like diving off a cliff into alake but you dont know how far down the bottom is. Prepare to tuck and roll. Its the waiting and not knowing...

-- LauraA (Laadedah@aol.com), August 01, 1999.

Humm.

Yes, those intuitive feelings of something unsettling in the collective consciousness field do keep escalating.

Sorts feels like its just gonna be a slow slide (or build) until November. With a 50-50% chance of something big hitting the global Y2k radar between now and then. Count on *most* to keep hidden what can be hidden, and obsfucate or deflect attention from what can not.

The vested interests would have it so. And so it is.

Trust the gut, and follow your time-honored intuition. Guidance works, if youve trained yourself to listen.

Learn to dance on shifting sands. It's an art.

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), August 01, 1999.

Carl- You're not alone. I think that this feeling has been building for awhile- if you discuss it with people, lots will admit to a vague feeling that all is not well. I don't attribute that to Millenium fever or any such thing. Lots of these folks are not necessarily of any particular religous orientation either. they just feel "on edge' and they don't know why. sort of like we're all waiting for something but we don't know what.

I do believe in intuition and gut feelings. Some people are more in touch with this part of themselves than are others. as for myself- well- sometimes I try to avoid dealing with it, because I have definitely freaked many people out with my "psychic" or whatever you want to call it abilities. But- be it as it may- I felt strongly drawn to leave my city job and condo- and relocate to a rural piece of land back in the early 1990's- looked til I found the right place. I wanted to be off-grid, have a spring, etc- and have all of that. heat with wood, farm, etc- it just felt right to do that - moved up permanently in 1996. Boy am I glad! When I see the agonizing decision making and the learning curve of many here on this forum- sure glad I listened to that little voice!

P.S. what's happening with comet Lee- any further REAL info- not Governmentspeak??

-- farmer (hillsidefarm@drbs.net), August 01, 1999.

Maybe the Comet will become visible during eclipse August 11?

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (allaha@earthlink.net), August 01, 1999.

In re psychic stuff--it doesn't have a date on it. Of course more and more information is leaking out. And yes, all the cosmic signs-- eclipse, comet Lee, solar flares, etc. Best to all.

-- Mara Wayne (MaraWAyne@aol.com), August 01, 1999.

I'll admit to having similar "feelings", if thats the right word.

Still, I don't really act on that (at least not consciously- who knows how it really works), but on the various crisis situations around the world, especially Y2K.

To speculative for me, but I WILL be very surprised if things are still "OK" Jan/Feb of 2000. To be blunt, I think there is a greater chance than ever before of a Russian Nuclear attack by 12/31/99.

If we get into spring 2000 with no change, I see (at this time) much more reason to be optimistic (except for the overall degeneration of society).

-- Jon Johnson (narnia4@usa.net), August 01, 1999.

I too have had a feeling that something *major* is about to happen. It's been bothering me for the past couple weeks now.

I'm guessing a stock market crash. Like you, I don't think this coming event will be death/destruction. That's a bit later in another event.

Personally, I think any Y2K effects will just be icing on the cake so to speak. We're facing a LOT more than just computer failures. IMO, this time next year we'll be wishing Y2K's computer problems was all we had to deal with.

And I think the general public will remain clueless until the event happens or somebody in government comes out and tells the truth as to how bad they (feds) think it will be.

-- Will (ryker@cvalley.net), August 01, 1999.

I am definitely feeling a sense of heightened awareness and an INTENSE desire to meditate.

The fact that so many people feel this energy building is interesting. I do feel it is important at this time to understand what that state of awareness can mean.

A heightened state of arousal is just that. If your intuition, perceptions, and/or common sense alert you to be in that state then you will begin to feel that physiologically. There is NO difference in the physiological response for fear and desire. They feel the same to your body as an increased state of arousal. (your heart beats faster, your breath rate increases, your visual focus field changes) etc...

This is called fight or flight but it could also be called "fight, fornicate or run-away!"

This is why guys take their dates on roller coaster rides. Harmless "fear" converts to lust pretty quickly.

IF there is truly a major phemomenon happening in August then we should see a marked increases in uh - amorous activities. As well as random acts of violence and fear. This is because when people feel that heightened awareness and DON'T KNOW WHY they look for a reason. That "reason" may be fear or attraction. Perhaps they just react to whatever visual stimulus is in front of them or perhaps they have a habit of gravitating towards one or the other.

The goal of meditation is to simply BE in that state of heightened awareness without looking for something delusional to attribute it too.

Now its another story when there is a REAL circumstance which requires a fight, fornicate or flee response. (Scary thug chasing you down street, hungry tiger in jungle, stranded on scary road at night etc... or attractive person of appropriate gender, your lovers face, dancing etc...)

But when there is just this ambient arousal then there is no telling what form it will take.

Batten down the hatches. Speak softly but firmly and carry your bug- out bag in your car. Affirm your faith and resolve as much with your loved ones as you are able.

Pray and/or meditate as often as possible. Fill they extra gas cans and enjoy as much of the current comforts as you can. Because whether things change in Aug, Sept. Dec. or March. They WILL change and we will have to change with them or die.

I appreciate this thread and am moved by all the responses. The fact that so many are willing to come forward and express these intuitions is touching and sobering because it is so taboo in our culture.

My own intuition says "get ready." My 30 years as a professional astrologer tells me "pay attention."

Blessings to you all

-- R (riversoma@aol.com), August 01, 1999.

August (in Hawaii): (1) GPS Week Rollover (21-22). Might be a bump in the road, might do a lot of damage to people who don't even know they use it. Suspect some (few) boats will be in trouble, extra work for the Coast Guard.

(2) Hurricane season continues. We could see a couple of big ones clobber the SE coast of the mainland. Perhaps one here. Other natural disasters continue...

(3) World situation continues unstable...you name it, tensions and brush-fire wars abound. Without good leadership, any one could turn major...

-- Mad Monk (madmonk@hawaiian.net), August 01, 1999.

I think the term is free floating anxiety. Please don't misunderstand, this is not a negative remark. I am experiencing the same ?sensation? apprehension?

-- Barb (awaltrip@telepath.com), August 01, 1999.

I think R summed up my feelings to all the responses....

"I appreciate this thread and am moved by all the responses. The fact that so many are willing to come forward and express these intuitions is touching and sobering because it is so taboo in our culture."

It's reassuring to know others are also feeling this way. I almost expected to be asked if I was wearing my tinfoil :)

This sensation of impending change is frightening, but at the same time I think a good thing, as it has increased the urgency of my preparations for whatever that change is going to bring. I don't sense the end of the world, but definately a change coming that will bring a world different from the one we know today... wether good or bad I guess we'll all know soon enough.

-- Carl (slowlygi@stubborn.com), August 01, 1999.

The answer my friend, is blowin in the wind. Just hope it ain't from a nuclear power plant.

-- (lurker@imInjail.com), August 01, 1999.

I've been trying to measure if the feeling is coming from something new in the wind, or the suffocating heat and drought that is rendering the water in my well precious, and reducing my vegetable garden to a source of sadness and frustration. Also, with my Aug/Sept prep deadline approaching, I worry that I've done enough, even tho it is extreme by my husband's and neighbors' standards. And because no one "official" seems to be making contingency plans for all those who are sure "nothing will happen", I worry that nothing I do can protect my family and home from the hordes who will flee D.C. and Baltimore if utilities and security fail there. Preparation has always helped me work off anxiety about upcoming transitions. What if the minimal preparation that seems "sensible" now, simply serves to make my family a target if these two cities "meltdown" into the rural areas nearby? Something is tapping me on the shoulder, saying "Look! Pay attention!" But am I looking in the right direction? Is the anxiety coming from intuition, or just from worrying that my worst fears are well founded? Perhaps we see all the evidence of neighbors turning on neighbors, from Kosovo to Littleton, and realize how few people have to lose their minds in order for the lives of many to be shattered. Maybe it is all of the above, or none of the above, but I've got that "butterflies in my stomach" feeling too.

-- Kristi (KsaintA@aol.com), August 01, 1999.

AUG87 was one of the worst periods in my life, and this year I've perceived too many disturbing parallels to ignore. Watch out!

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 01, 1999.

Mara-

Re: psychological effects...

Forum dedicated to near future dark event. Person posts "premonition" experience, and by doing so, plants the "premonitions" thought in fellow forum member's minds. Person then questions if anyone else shares experience. Many speak up with similar tales of premonition. Discussion grows quickly to include astrology, Nostradomus and "all the cosmic signs-- eclipse, comet Lee, solar flares, etc".

I'm curious. What do you think your sister, who works in the field of psychology, would have to say about this thread? About this forum? About power of suggestion as it relates to both?

I liked "Barb's" comment..."I think the term is free floating anxiety"

-- CD (not@here.com), August 01, 1999.

Free floating anxiety, premonitions, intuition... call it whatever you will, or makes you feel confortable...

When I started this thread, it wasn't to "plant" any "suggestions" in anyones mind. I think most that have responded here have been feeling an emotional response of some sort, from information overload, fear of the unknown, and Y2K is definately an unknown at this point, or from some instinctive protective response that is tugging at our intellects whispering "Keep your eyes open.."

Whatever the source, it is a feeling that many people appear to be experiencing... and feel a little better about after sharing and finding out they aren't alone.

-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), August 01, 1999.

Oh I hate that... I've been feeling this way for the past couple weeks and have asked a few others if they have HAD any similar feelings. Carl did NOT plant the thought / suggestion / idea in my mind. It was already there.

If you don't have something constructive to post, then don't post anything. I just love people that think they know everything there is to know try to tell me how and why I think of things.

-- Will (ryker@cvalley.net), August 01, 1999.

It appears I am in good company. I would never have brought up such a topic for fear of being ridiculed. I am glad someone has more courage than I. It is a releif to know others are having "gut" experience

-- Linda A. (adahi@muhlon.com), August 01, 1999.

We don't need no stinking online psychologists to tell us we're crazy.

-- Randolph (dinosaur@williams-net.com), August 01, 1999.

Randolph

LOL!!!

-- R (riversoma@aol.com), August 01, 1999.

Thanks for opening this subject. For those of us who must continually watch what we say and to whom we say it, it is a breath of fresh air to say----Yes! 'Something', I know not what, is coming.

I found two rather exciting links to Comet Lee---and they are of opposing viewpoints. One, the NASA view, is no-big-problem. Sound familiar? One site (Not NASA) is: http://www.triax.com/jaguar/cometlee.htm and the other one (NASA) is: http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/ with more information at: http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/eph.html

This is just more fodder for the feelings of anticipation which most of us seem to be feeling just now. I've been a very carefree person for most of my 57 years and suddenly I'm preparing for I-am- not-sure-what. My brothers think I've gone a bit off the deep end with the preparations we are making. But, this is so strange..... When I told my mother over a year ago that we must prepare for the year 2000 and the computer problem, she said she's known for several years that something was coming in the year 2000 and she was more than willing to being preparations.

Again, that "Something".........And, does time seem to fly by more quickly than usual---the day begins and suddenly, the day is ending!! Maybe it's my age??? Thanks for being so kind on this board. I've been lurking for awhile and your decency has captured my attention. It's not that way on some boards.

----Dana

-- Dana (mdanse@bright.net), August 01, 1999.

CD--are you metaphysically challenged? I may be a metaphysical co-dependent but I love it!!!! THere is more to this world than you tangible, hands on folks see sometimes (I just ended a three year relationship with a boyfriend that just couldn't move beyond "if i don't see it, i don't believe it"). A whole dimension that is only visible to those who look for it or perceive spiritual things. There are just too many coincidences lately NOT to believe that something is coming. I can only speak for my community--all across the Christian community, there are people who are feeling a cloud of judgment on the horizon. And what is strange, is that so many of us share the same feelings without introducing the ideas to each other--time to get right with God, draw closer to him and remove any known sins from our lives, prepare and get it done by Sept at the latest, plus much more.

Hey if any of you want an interesting fun (no kidding) well written book on the end times (from a Xtian perspective) get the book "Bruce and Stan's Guide to The End of the World" A new ager stole my last one she liked it so much. It's good. Bless you--really.

-- T (applpie@aol.com), August 01, 1999.

My gut feeling is quite different. I feel a calm and acceptance period coming. I feel like the panic and bad times doesn't matter. I wish I knew why I feel this. I think the panic and mayhem will be something to worry about for a long time. But deep down my gut is telling me it does not matter. For all the Christians here, Sept. 11 has been suggested as a good date for the rapture. To each his own but something is a foot.

-- Carol (glear@usa.net), August 01, 1999.

I want to second the statement that the idea that"something" was going to happen was NOT planted in me by Carl posting this thread. In fact, my partner and I had been discussing this within the past few months; and the options for what the possible cause(s) could be are numerable- Y2k, aliens, comet, storms, nuclear disaster, Balkans situation, stock market crash/depression, etc- any/all of these could be a reality. Sweet dreams folks.......

-- farmer (hillsidefarm@drbs.net), August 01, 1999.

We're all paranoid...Question is, are we paranoid enough??!

-- citizen (lost@sea.ccom), August 01, 1999.

Paranoia? Isn't that overreacting to a perceived threat, beyond what's justified?

At the risk of flame and ridicule, I'll try to give an example of the last time I felt a premonition of something happening, or about to happen, on par to the feelings I have been experiencing in the last few weeks.

In 1973, I was stationed in Ft. Campbell with the 101st Airborne. One Saturday evening, while doing what we almost always did, getting drunk after a payday, I got this horrible sensation of something not right. I had no idea why I felt that way, but it was very real to me.... I wound up getting hammered, this grey feeling just not going away no matter how much my buddies tried to cheer me up.

Sunday morning, early, I was shaken awake by the Sgt. on duty telling me I had a call from home and to come to the C.O.'s office. Needless to say, I had a massive hangover, as only a twenty year old could be dumb enough to have, but as he walked away, something jolted me out of bed, and I got dressed as fast as I could, and literally ran to company HQ. When I got on the phone, it was my mom telling me that my cousin Billy Gail had been on a hay ride Friday night with her church group and had slipped and fallen off the front and been crushed by the wagon, and had died Saturday night. Her funeral was to be Monday afternoon. They had been trying to reach me since Saturday morning, but had forgotten that I had gone back to my real fathers name of Lilly, and couldn't find a Carl Burns listed in the military, until my paternal Grandmother reminded them I was going by Lilly instead of Burns.

It was Monday morning before I could get leave to go, and had to drive like a maniac to Beebe, Arkansas, to make the funeral. As it was, I made it to the church just as the eulogy had started. My mother, brother and sisters, as well as my maternal grandparents were there, having flown in from California Saturday morning. My kid brother Robert rode with me after the service to the cemetery. After they lowered her into the grave, being young and nervous around death, he and I left to head back to my aunt & uncles house.

I knew the short cut there, on country roads, and was driving a 68 Chevy Impala that I eventually blew the clutch through the floorboard showing off, and that day was no exception. We left the ground more than once as I halled through the rolling hills of central Arkansas. As we came over the hill to the = mile long dirt drive that led to my aunt and uncles house, we saw the car with my aunt, uncle, grandparents, and mother already half way down the drive. I looked at my brother, and his mouth was hanging open too. How in the hell did they get there before us? We pulled into the drive, as the car in front of us kicked dust up in the air ahead of us. My aunt and uncles house sat slightly up the hill, and at their driveway was a small apple tree, and someone had left their car parked next to it. The car in front of us turned up the driveway and disappeared behind the tree and parked car... and never pulled the rest of the way up the driveway...

As we came around the tree and car, there was no brown Lincoln... nada...

The hair on the backs of our necks stood up, we had seen the car, even tho it shouldn't have been there... had seen the heads through the back window... I told my grandmother when the finally did show up, what we had seen, feeling a little foolish. Her comment? "Oh Lord, it isn't over yet..."

Within the next 2 years.... of the five people in the car...

Aunt Pat - died of brain aneurism Uncle John - crippled by heart attack, also lost Aunt Pat Grandpa - died of a heart attack Grandma - lost Grandpa, Aunt Pat, died of cancer 2 months after diagnosed Mom - Lost her mom, dad, sister, diagnosed with lung cancer, still alive, but disabled after all the surgeries..

This was the most drastic example, and one reason why today when I get premonitions of something not right or change coming, I tend to listen.

What I am talking about is not a rational thought out response to all the information pro and con about y2k and it's effects... what I am referring to is a psychic smoke detector going off, that has nothing to do with the facts and fallacies we seem to enjoy batting back and forth.

So again my question boils down to not reasoned fears based on analyzing the information, but others who have felt premonitions such as this are also hearing their internal "buzzers" sounding...

-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), August 01, 1999.

One hundred years ago, if you believed that everything was made up of these tiny little things you cannot see, called atoms, would have been.........?

-- MarktheFart (quke@ix.netcom.com), August 01, 1999.

FWIW I've felt that something major is in the works for probably 18 months or so, whatever it is happening *before* rollover... the feeling comes and goes but it's always there, nagging at the back of my mind, like another poster said above however, I believe in the long run it's for the best, and I feel strangely somehow at peace... hard to explain but there you go :)

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), August 02, 1999.

As many times as I have felt the urge to leave this forum because of the sometimes deafening noise, I guess I knew I was in the right spot.

It is happening in increasing ?vibes. I just know something is about to happen. I know it sounds weird, but I had a similar, but less pronounced gut feeling or moment of clarity two days before the earthquake (small one but...) happened here in Portland. Eerie, but I have come to expect it over the course of my life. I am somewhat comforted in the knowledge that I am among friends here.

-- Michael (mikeymac@uswest.net), August 02, 1999.

Has anyone here considered that GI vs DGI may be more linked to the ability to hear the inner, quiet voice than the ability to look at facts and analyze them clearly? We have all kinds of people on both sides of the question - intelligent and not, logical and not, rich and poor. I've not yet figured out a common denominator in the GI's that the DGI's also don't share. Perhaps this is it?

-- Tricia the Canuck (tricia_canuck@hotmail.com), August 02, 1999.

Carl,

I've read this thread several times since you first posted it. I felt the need to wait, I don't know why. But, I've learned to follow my instincts.

This evening I received the following e-mail from friends who are deeply involved with the Indian community here out west. They felt the need to share it with me and I feel compelled to share it here, now.

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"The most powerful eclipse of the sun in this millennium will occur on August 11. According to Nostradamus, it will be the most powerful eclipse since the crucifixion of Christ. Many powerful events are predicted to occur because of this. Although we in this part of the world will probably not see its full effect, it will be an awesome spectacle in the northeastern United States, Europe, the British Isles, North Africa and Asia. In astrological terms a grand square or cross will be formed with the Sun/Moon and Planets at the midpoint powergates of all the fixed signs.

Uranus is at mid-Aquarius, its strongest placement in the zodiac; Mars is at mid- Scorpio which is its most powerful position; the Sun is at mid-Leo and Saturn reigns at mid-Taurus. This eclipse may foretell great earth changes, both on the physical and psychic levels. Past events of this magnitude have led to breakdown of governments, earthquakes, tidal waves, and disappearances of whole cultures. Is it a coincidence that this event happens 2 days prior to the date the Aztecs predicted that their empire would rise again? Many of the prophecies I have studied call for a 1000 year peace upon this planet. Perhaps this is the beginning of that peace. But before that can happen much has to be changed on this planet, not the least of which is our understanding that the minerals and resources of our Mother were not put here to serve us and make us wealthy. We do not have the God given right to destroy her for our own selfish greed. We were sent here, Spirits having a human experience, to take what we need for life and to protect her above all. We have miserably failed at this.

To eclipse means to hide, eliminate, or clear away destructive behavior, hatred, emotional blocks, false teachings and beliefs. The changes that need to happen to usher in this 1000 years of promised Peace must begin inside each of us, one person at a time. Perhaps this is the purpose of the eclipse.

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"The Earth is a living being. In company with cultures of many different time and places, we name these things as sacred; air, fire, water, and earth. Whether we see them as the breath, energy, blood and body of the Mother or as the blessed gifts of the Creator, or as symbols of the interconnecteded systems that sustain life, we know that nothing can live without them. To call these things sacred is to say that they have a value beyond their usefullness for human ends and they themselves become the standard by which our acts, our economies, our laws and our purpose must be judged. No one has the right to appropriate them or profit from them at the expense of others. Any government that fails to protect them forfeits its legitimacy. All people, all living things are part of the Earth life and so are sacredl No one of us stands higher or lower than any other. Only justice can assure balance; only ecological balance can sustain freedom. Only in freedom can that 5th Sacred Thing we call Spirit flourish in its full diversity. To honor the sacred is to create conditions in which nourishment, sustenance, habitt, knowledge, freedom and beauty can thrive. To honor this we dedicate our curiosity, our wits, our courage, our silences and our voices, To this we dedicate our lives."

------Starhawk, "The 5th Sacred Thing"

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Prepare - the journey begins." =================================================================

I have no other commentary for what is contained within this email. It isn't my place. Who ever reads it must contemplate it's meaning on their own in their own time.

I have felt a heightened sense of anxiety lately. However, I've felt a shift was happening for some time now. I've had visions and "feelings" and I've even shared them here before.

There are many levels where a person can become a "GI". You can view the impending circumstance of Y2k and see how that ripple will work outward into ever possible part of the modern human experience. You can listen to the words of the Elders and appreciate the wisdom of those who came before.

This is the time of the Purification. Things are changing. Views are shifting. Is it all just circumstance and coincidence? Think about how many cultures and beliefs have foretold this coming age. Amazing isn't it?

As my best friend says, Mitakuye Oyasin (For all our Relations).

Mike

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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 02, 1999.

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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), August 02, 1999.

Something to think about...

COMET LEE

Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 08:43:18 -0400

Hey Earl,

I have been studying Nostradamus and many other prophecies, including Native American ones for years now. One of the other email lists I manage is for Nostradamus and prophecy scholars. A very important comet is a consistent item throughout the various cultures... this object is supposed to arrive about this time and coincide with a great period of troubles for mankind, including what sounds like an asteroid or cometary fragment impact.

Nostradamus seemed especially bothered by the solar eclipse coming this Summer (especially notable in Europe) and it sounds like he believed that something (the comet?) would be revealed during this eclipse and that people would interpret it in many different ways. Evidently the comet was not thought by him to impact the Earth but rather bring something else into an impact scenario along with the comet's bright transit by Earth. He describes this in a very similar manner to the Bible's book of Revelation and the discussion of "something like a mountain on fire" being cast into the sea and killing 1/3 of everything.

With our mystery guests and a new comet that may be right on track for these prophecies... people who have studied them are a little bit nervous these days and will be until October. Many Nostradamus scholars believe he may have meant September with his reference to "sept mois"... but the window watched by most scholars is from July through September 1999.

Also of note are a number of prophecies from Nostradamus and other prophets involving what I believe to be a direct impact from a solar flare and CME event of massive proportions. Descriptions of "fire in the sky", "solar heat upon the seas", oceans boiling cooking the fish in them, snowcaps melting in an instant, rainbows being seen at night (auroras I think).

Nostradamus uses symbolic references to "Phaeton's Chariot", a myth about a Sun chariot that was driven recklessly across the skies from India northwest through the middle east, north Africa and Europe with the heat from this "Sun Chariot" scorching the ground as it bumped against it, burning up the trees, melting the snowcaps, and boiling the seas where it touches them. This mythological journey of Phaeton in the Sun-Chariot covers the exact regions Nosty describes as suffering from these various effects that sound like a solar plasma event of some sort.

Hal Blondell

link at

http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/cometary/lee.htm

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), August 02, 1999.

Hi Hal. In reference to the Nostradamus quote on the "mountain falling into the oceans...yadayadayada.... -- that is correct yet it seems from the biblical perspective that it is too early for that to happen. There seem to be alot more things that need to take place first. I wonder if he meant something else too? Also, the bible certainly corroborates something horrid happening with the "heavens" at some point, but again i think much of this happens once the tribulation begins--and trust me, we aren't in the tribulation. Definitely bad time. But who is to say how long until it starts to happen? hmmmmm.... interesting times we live in.

-- T.E. (applpie@aol.com), August 02, 1999.

Alan's Millennial Madness Calendar List

http://www.provide.net/~aelewis/y2ko/y2ko_350.htm

-- alan (foo@bar.com), August 02, 1999.

Well, this anxiety just hit me. Heart beating harder, feeling of being on edge for something big/unusual about to happen. Can't put finger on it but feel better knowing y'all can relate. What could it be?

-- regular (here@long.time), August 02, 1999.

Regular...

Could just be anxiety, there's enough to read around here to stress most people out... lot's of stuff to sift through.

Take a deep breath, listen to your feelings. Maybe put this whole thing away and stay off here for a few days. When I have a "gut" feeling about something impending, what I think of as premonition, it usually doesn't feel like an anxiety attack... it's almost like a yellow light at an intersection, whether I hit the gas or the brakes is my call... there's this split second of clarity that says "make a decision.."

But your not alone... so speak out when you feel the need to hear from the many others here who are experiencing the same or similar emotions that you, and I, are...

And as to worrying about the Trolls and ridicule... it's reasurring to know that a few Neandrathals managed to survive and even learned to type... gives me hope for the rest of us....

Sorry for not spell checking :)

-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), August 04, 1999.

I can sure relate. Everytime I watch one of my lesbo mudwrestling videos, I get a big/unusual happening, and its all that I can do to not put my finger on it.

Truly we are living in the end times, dude! Keep the faith!

-- King of Spain (madrid@aol.com), August 04, 1999.

King...

Sorry to here it only takes a finger... have heard that if you nude sunbath during a major X class flare, it can make damn near anything grow?

:)

-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), August 04, 1999.

I'm struck by the tome of this discussion. All contributors allude to some event in their lives where "something just doesn't feel right" yet as individuals we seem to seek to discredit that feeling somehow. I for one do not know what to make of that "little voice" that sometimes whispers loudly. Call it metaphysical, call it what you will but I have heard it. Did I understand it? No I was puzzeled in most cases. "Why in the world would I think that?" Sometimes I listened sometimes I didn't.

I did listen to it when once I was young, scared, and very afraid of dying. It kept me from walking into a situation that would have gotten myself and 5 other young men killed. I said lets go up the stream and loop back, there's something not right up ahead. I had no clue what. Call it survival instinct, call it anything you like. To me, 28 some years later, "it" was right.

So I am not so quick to dismiss something I can not explain, see, touch, smell or intellectualy explain. I am a skeptic by nature on most things. You have to "prove it" to me for me to believe it. I tend to dismiss claims of impending doom, comets striking the earth, etc. But I do analyze events, political and business, to see if there is a discernible pattern and what the possible ramifications could be.

So my viewpoint is that you should listen to your "little voice", follow your instincts, make rational judgements but don't let fear of anything paralyze you from whatever action you belive to be correct. A forum such as this could tend to amplify the negative aspects of many possible future events. However I would judge that the majority of the contributors to this forum are indeed rational and pursuing the path that makes them most comfortable. Are we right or wrong? Only the passage of time will tell any of us that answer.

just my humble opinion....

-- Freelancer (mercenary2000@yahoo.com), August 04, 1999.

Oh, PERLEESE people, get a grip! You all read this newsgroup, right? Think something, whether big small or in between, is going to happen. Right? Talk to like thinking friends, go to bed at night wondering about it. Right? Prepare for it, right? It's ON YOUR MIND. RIGHT? Then you're surprised that you get "feelings", you "sense" something coming down the track. Wake up folks. It's just your mind doing its job. WAIT! What do those tea leaves in the bottom of my cup say - I can just make it out...."China will attack Taiwan on 23rd December" Put it in your diary. Seriously.

-- Lurker 2 (Lurking @downunder .com), August 04, 1999.

Ok Lurker,

If you've read, many of us have acknowledged that all the "noise" could be causing in some cases anxiety attacks, or "free floating anxiety", but you'll also read that many of us have had experiences where ther was no external influence... they just came out of the blue.

Iv'e been following and part of y2k for several years now actually, and just in the last few weeks, as it appears with many others around here, have I begin to feel a sense of something approaching rapidly... and NOT Y2K...

Anyway, thread has jumped to here...

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=001BgR

sift through the trolls and the ones just trying to be funny... listen to the other 75%... see if you can't see a pattern...

-- Carl (clilly@goentre.com), August 04, 1999.

A true story from gold-eagle...

This morning I got a call from a very distressed friend. He sounded very ill. He had had a bad dream-- more like a nightmare. In the dream, his pet bird suddenly flew up in the air and fell down dead. It was a very disturbing dream, not because the bird died, but because somehow, he told me, he understood that the bird represented his stock investments. He was worried and scared.

He had bought individual stocks almost at their tops, using a large chunk of capital borrowed against the equity in his home. At one time he had accumulated over $100k in profits. He was so happy then, big smiles, thumping his chest. He was going to be a millionaire! My wife began to needle me, and I seriously started to doubt the wisdom of my own investment strategy which did not include buying overvalued stocks on a collision course with the big bad grizzly. However, becaused my friend had swallowed the Wall Street "buy and hold" BS, he refused to take profits and was forced to watch all his gains evaporate.

Taking a big loss when the stocks plunged, he sold 1/2 his shares last week and has since been biting his nails watching them tank further. He is convinced that the bird represented the high-flying Nasdaq and other "hot" stocks, and that the A/D line and other things are announcing their imminent demise. He's going to cash out I think, for a major loss. He wanted to know where he should put what's left of his mangled capital. I suggested he look into PM stocks and shorting the market, but I think he's too spooked to trust the markets anymore.

How many other Americans are in a similar position? What is your next- door neighbor doing since he quit his day job? Has he been playing Russian Roulette (with a fully loaded gun) by day-trading the stock exchanges? Listen for loud arguments with the wife. I suspect that there are many tragedies in the making out there. Time to open a crisis hotline for .com losers.

My friend is a very sensitive individual who is used to having what generally turn out to be "visions". So he is really shook up. Of course, based on what the members of this forum understand about the markets, there are going to be a lot of dead or near-dying "birds" on Wall Street soon. And not just stocks, either, as we have seen from the recent Atlanta shootings. But rest easy, guys, My Indonesian friend is not armed, and you will not find a gentler person anywhere. He may put a hex on the Stock Market, though.

Too bad so much of his investment was made on borrowed capital and 50% margin. Yikes! That hurts!

-- Andy (2000EOD@prodigy.net), August 05, 1999.

Thanks Andy, I believe margin debt is at the highest figure in stock market history. Even these relatively small declines can creat havoc with those that are using heavy margin.

The next few months should be interesting!!

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), August 05, 1999.