It's hot, the economy is a bubble, and about 3 months before d-day : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

In three months or less, maybe this month, who knows..but no later than October..the rising storm on the horizon will appear. When, in anticipation of a foreboding storm, the public will make the market crash of 87 a cake walk. Everyone I talk to is rich because of paper assets. Think about it. When the market crashes..everyone's 401k's will be considerably damaged. Spending will stop, DEFLATION will take hold, and we will enter a period of at least 3 years, maybe 7-10...of economic depression. Does this sound reasonable? Just an educated guess. I could certainly be wrong...but.....

-- Rick Shade (, July 29, 1999


I too think the problems will snowball. When the clock turns to 2000, there will be very little happening immediately. My big fear is still related to the oil industry. I think it is the first and largest domino and if it falls; they all fall!

-- D.G. Bennett (, July 29, 1999.

Ok, I'll weigh in with my prediction.

My intuition (and that's all I'm going on) tells me that in early to mid August the midset of the general population will change, people will get very worried and start stocking up, creating shortages and rising prices of what one would like to buy for their preps. I'm thinking, therefor, that one had better buy what one wants in the next week at best, next two weeks at most if they want to "avoid the rush". My intuition tells me the "snowball will start rolling down the mountain" August 4th. A little larger on August 5th, then quite a bit larger on August 9th, larger still by August 11th, grows larger (little more in % terms -- 20 % increase in the increase -- than change from August 4th to 5th) on the 13th, then the "picture will be quite clear and irrefutable on August 15th. This is my prediction. Life has taught me to trust my intuition. I follow and trust it FWIW.

My purpose of sharing this is to suggest those planning on putting off their prep purchases had better get very busy, very fast. I am. The sense I'm getting regarding the above pertains to general panic, fear and worry of the U.S. general population.


-- Louis (, July 29, 1999.

AUGUST, as in NEXT WEEK AUGUST?????? You have got to be kidding, dude. What possibly could act as a trigger for this in early August??

-- King of Spain (, July 29, 1999.

One more thing...On August 6th, the general population will be reflecting on the "perception shift" of August 4th and 5th...then step up their actions on August 7th...with the magnitude, and the actions it results in registering AND becomming evident on August 9th; that is what I was refering to in my above posts' comments on the overall change in "magnitude" between August 5th and August 9th...this post gives more details for confirmation of my prediction(s) or their refutations. Time will tell...very wishes...


-- Louis (, July 29, 1999.

Hey Louis, have you been reading Arch Crawford lately???


-- Ray (, July 29, 1999.

Huh? Say What? I must have missed something.

-- huh? huh? huh? (huh?huh?huh?@huh?huh?.com), July 29, 1999.

Dear King of Spain,

I'm not sure, my consious mid "cut off" my intuition (laugh if you will, 'yall). This will be a "National perception shif" sort of thing. The sense I was getting was business/industrial/governmental; one...then two...then three rapid "perceptions/facts/events" and the general publics analysis/evaluation/reaction; my above statements refer to this mix of public perception and reaction. I think this will be the sort of thing one watching the "national news" -- not just TV...the "total" (i.e. internet, print, ect.) national news -- will see/watch unfolding...that is all. Best wishes.


-- Louis (, July 29, 1999.

A great book was written in the late eigthties. "THE GREAT RECKONING". It was fascinating due to its content and the authors were two of the most successful investors in the world.

Their main premise tens years ago was---a day of financial reckoning was emminent due to-- 50 and 500 year cycles,debt load,cold war ending,deflation,inner city implosion,etc.etc. what is fascinating is their points were well argued and that was without y2k!!!

-- David Butts (, July 29, 1999.

While I am still wondering what the catalyst will be for Louis' dire predictions to transpire----jeez---within the next week to three weeks---I can only add some observations to Rick's initial thread. I have been reading about y2k for two years now----in-depth reading on the net and in print. I have covered my bases and spoken to people who represent industries that have a direct link with my health and well-being. I have talked to people in IT.

I am still astonished by a few items:

a) that in all cases regarding goods or services that I rely upon, insurance-driven statements distributed by lawsuit-fearing mouthpieces are the norm. If I am looking for guarantees, I am in sorry shape. If assurances were $100 bills, I'd be a rich man living in Cancun by now.

b) that the media is much like the people in IT I have talked to: reporting from extremely opposite ends of the spectrum, dependent on who you listen to. I have said it here before, but surely, perception MUST be reality in all of this. The media will alternately quote individuals who are either government/public relations types, or industry insiders. After listening to their opinions, I get the feeling that no one can have a finger on the pulse of this entire mess.

That said, I can't make any predictions about financial reversals of fortune, nor can I speak on the panic-buying Louis points to. However, I will say this: given the present course we're on, all of us will be shaking our heads over the nonchalant way people are proceeding in the months ahead. It seems quite clear to me that those who were prudent already took steps to prepare for the date rollover and I suspect that if there is no catalyst---and I don't think there will be if PR-types have any say in it---that life will go on as usual.

I don't spend much time on the computer, and perhaps that's why the fact that only 11% of the populace gets info from the misinformation highway does not astound me. With this in mind, it also strikes me that the general population is apathetic about most things---and this is one that they perceive to be too technical and basically, too unbelievable to transpire.

History has proven that we all blink for a moment and then move on. Monicagate. OJ. Kosovo. Columbine.

I say y2k will produce little public response. We are all comfortably numb, engrossed in our own little words and trying to scratch that itch that constantly screams 'entertain me, I'm bored'.

And y2k is too boring for the masses.

-- Bad Company (, July 29, 1999.

Louis, it's too soon to be too late!

-- Randolph (, July 29, 1999.

Due to the blind stupidity of the general world population regarding Y2K, I believe the Stock Market will not crash until mid November or early December.

-- freddie (, July 29, 1999.


I haven't been reading anything lately. As I stated above, this is "just" my intuition -- and that's all it is based on, for what it's worth, for better or worse. If this is helpful to people great, if not, oh well -- time will tell -- very soon, I'm afraid. Best wishes to you all...and good luck.


P.S. Sometimes I just "know things"...been that way all my life.

-- Louis (, July 29, 1999.

Doesn't the GPS roll-over occur in August?



-- Michael Taylor (, July 29, 1999.


even though it does not seem as if you require any more conviction regarding the absolute intellect of intuition, I would like to commend you on broaching an avenue of the mind that is not discussed much in this forum-----Cheers!!!!!

-- David Butts (, July 29, 1999.

Yes Mike, the GPS rollover is scheduled to occur in August. But after the August dates I mention. I think, if what I've said has any merit or "get busy NOW" value to anyone, it would be best to spend the time preparing and stocking up instead of trying to guess "what are the events". As I said above, it will be "20/20 highnsight" on August 15th. Again, best wishes.


-- Louis (, July 29, 1999.

Bad Company,

"I say y2k will produce little public response. We are all comfortably numb, engrossed in our own little words and trying to scratch that itch that constantly screams 'entertain me, I'm bored'.

And y2k is too boring for the masses."

That is what I gather from talking to people..."I'm to busy, I got baseball, football, basketball and the circus to attend to. Why should I be worrying about something like y2k or corrupt government, gun confiscation, etc?"

It is very frustrating to listen to them.

Talked to a customer of mine working in the y2k remediation situation for airlines. He says that certain airlines will not fly over the rollover, some of his collegues are stocking up and "I'm not doing anything. I would be very surprised if the "System" went down."

-- freeman (, July 29, 1999.

Louis, Arch Crawford is an ex Wall Street analyst that now writes a Financial News letter using astrology and technical indicators. He has an exceptional record. Last week he talked about August 7 thru Aug 11 as a period to watch with regard to war or another serious event.


-- Ray (, July 29, 1999.

Possible catalysts?

Heat-wave caused power outages?

Drought-caused water shortages? Or food shortages?

GPS rollover glitches in?? Credit cards, cell phones, or something entirely new?

Current market downturn continuing?

I too think it is coming soon.

As Cory would say: Something wicked this way comes.

-- Linda (, July 29, 1999.

I don't think the general public would stockpile for Y2K as long as the stock market keeps doing well. But if the market does start having problems, that in my opinion increases the chances that stockpiling by the general public could soon follow.

-- Linkmeister (, July 29, 1999.

Linda, I think I would throw China into the mix just for the heck of it !!


-- Ray (, July 29, 1999.

Linda, your points are well taken. But let's digress from the drought and heat talk, shall we? Here in the east, we have seen droughts at an incredibly alarming rate during this decade (horror of horrors! Could Ozone Al Gore have been right?)

The GPS situation is a worthy catalyst to be sure, but not one which I would think the apathetic masses will begin to build fortifications over.

Stock downward spirals? Now we're on the right course, but how much will it effect Joe Middle Class if it is not an outright free-fall.

No, the catalyst I was referring to was some governmental or corporate leader 'speaking out' about the futility of the situation. I remember Clinton was supposed to address the nation last summer about 'possible difficulties ahead' and the need for the old, red-blooded American spirit to take hold.

A funny thing happened on the way to the press conference, I guess.

I understand your sentiments---and Cory's for that matter, but anyone thinking that anything short of some public icon making a public admission about the severity of the issue---or an out and out stock market crash---will awaken the citizenry from its stupor is giving that citizenry too much credit.

Just get out and look around.

-- Bad Company (, July 29, 1999.

Thanks, Ray. I have not heard of him. I don't follow or pay attention to anyone else who uses anything to "predict" the future. My studies in colledge concerning the best minds with the best computers trying to just beat the stock indexes was enough for me. I also don't participate or follow any type of "divination" like Astrology. I just depend strickly on MY OWN "personal knowing".

Sometimes, I just "think/wonder" about something while in the right frame of mind -- or just happen to be in the particular "right frame of mind" I'm talking about, and things just "come to me". Been that way all my life. Sometimes it's a future event. Sometimes it's picking up on the thoughts/vibes/"particulars" of someone or some situation around me. For instance, I moved into a second floor appartment recently. An appartment without a fire escape. While over at a friends house about 25 minutes away, was visiting in the kitchen and got the same sort of "intuition" about the risk of a home fire. A mutual friend who lives accross the street from where I was visiting had recently been spending a lot of time in the kitchen where I was visiting. My intuition said the risk was immenent, but for me the risk was in the future about four months. I didn't think the "imminent risk" applied to me, but I figured better safe than sorry. So I rigged up a fire escape from my balcony with a good strong 5/8 inch braided nylon rope with a working strength of 935 pounds attached to a barbell that was wider than the sliding glass door leading out to the balcony. About three or four days later the "mutual friend", who lived across the street, had his house catch on fire. It was a raging blaze. Several fire trucks. The friend I had been visiting later told me she was VERY glad the flames didn't catch HER house on fire.

My point is sometimes it's a future event, sometimes, dealing with JUST ME PERSONALLY, it's a "warning of what WILL happen in the future to ME if I don't change MY way/choices", and sometimes it is me picking up things about/from/around other people, places or things -- and this last one can be a past, present or future "intuition/vibe".

One more example. Occasionally, I go to a local casino. While standing at the CRAPS table I might "intuit" an eight for the next point number, then have the guy right next to me PLACE A BET ON THE EIGHT, and the next point number is something else. In that case, I'm picking up the other fellow's thoughts. Future event type intuition does come to me in a casino -- always 100% accurate when it comes -- but it usually has to be when/where I'm not picking up stuff from other minds/mentalities "leaking/projecting" from other people in the vicinity -- and this includes keeping my "intuition" from being poluted by my own wishfull thinking as well. I use this "intuition" all the time, every day. Don't care to gamble much -- although it DOES make me lots of money when I play poker in a casino. The last time, I was "in the groove" while playing $4/$8 Texas Hold 'em poker in a casino, I was "in the groove" for a solid hour. I announced at the table was was going to happen next over and over again -- and it always happened just as I said -- for that "about and hour" period of time. During that hour, I made $870. That is unheard of in a low limit poker game. Needless to say, the rest of the table was quite "out of sorts" -- and I loved every minute of being "in the groove".

Just wanted to "fill in the blanks a little" for those wanting to decide wether to heed or ignore my above post. Again, it's just my intuition. This particular "intuition" is much like the home fire example I'm giving in this post. I hope this additional info. is helpfull to those wanting to consider heeding or ignoring what I've posted above on this thread. Hope you all do very well. Best wishes.

-- Louis (, July 29, 1999.

Ray: Arch C. & Louis do appear on the same wavelength.

For anybody wondering, Arch Crawford ranks pretty high on Hulbert's Rating Service being a TA & zodiac kinda guy. (TA is technical analysis in this case.)

-- Charles R. (, July 29, 1999.


Do you believe a sudden paradigm shift in August will be better for people rather than much later in the year?

Some have said, "Panic now and get it over with."

Infomagic thinks the closer the stock market crash is to Y2K, the worse the scenario. Me, too.

Some stock market analysts had warned about the month of August as a point of significant downturn, parallel with 1929's stock market plunge.

Any further insights?

-- Randolph (, July 29, 1999.

Unless there is some undeniable Y2K event somewhere in the world (Russia or perhaps Japan) this fall, I do not expect much panic in this country. People want to stay in their cozy somnolent lives. However, if the news shows Russians or Brazilians or Japanese standing in line in front of their banks to get cash, the next day will see the same thing happening here. If this occurs, it's basically all over for the banking system and the economy.

-- cody varian (, July 29, 1999.

Just a thought, Their are none so blind as those who will not see.

-- Tommy Rogers (Just a thought@Been, July 29, 1999.

Louis, thanks for sharing, it is much appreciated.


-- Ray (, July 29, 1999.

Dear Mr. Louis

Oddly enough I belive you (I do not know if you are genuine; but I believe you time table). For some time now I have offered to some people of this forum a verbale walk through of the start-up sequence of a power plant,industrial complex,pipeline station,copper smelter etc. And so far all I have gotten was silence, or a snide remark about feeding the trolls.

None bothered to see, that there might have been something I wanted to tell the good people; but I had to do it in my own way, so that they could better understand the immence problems coming at them...Being programmers, they all believe that the soft ware is the all of y2k..It is the embeded systems which will bring on the thing called so quaintly TEOTWAWKI.

Starting in about a week from now, the bulk of embeded systems which have hidden RTC in their lattice code will begin to fail. And these systems will each reach their infinity dates at different times than the first ones which fail...Why? Because they where the ones first brought up on line for testing folks..It takes about two years from begining of the start-up proceedure to the end of it (bringing the power generation unit on line). Each sub system was brought up and tested differently,or rather at a different time. Each of their RTC's begin year 1 at a different real time date. And each one that had the date sensitive feature will fail when it hits it's infinity date

Oddly enough, The usual unused RTC is not like any clock you will ever see...Let's just say that it starts off at a series of ones then when a date is needed the lesser is subtracted from the greater value(RTC real time)...And so on and so on...But there comes a time when it is say 9999 subtracted from 0000. subtract 1 from 0 and you have infinity!!!!!

This RTC, even not in use, but part of the orginal lattice. Is still running, and is still recording it's time...untill infinity!!!

So, While I do give some creedance to your feelings! I do but wonder if it is not Mr. Poole with another of his three legged dog senerios.


-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), July 29, 1999.


Regarding your question as to if "panic in August" beats "panic in Dec/Jan", I'll share two thoughts.

First, my intuition: No; whatever will cause what I've posted about above is a bad event. It is always better that bad events -- and their "fallout/ripples" not happen AT ALL.

Second, my conscious intellect: Yes; the shortages/ripples can be alleviated somewhat by additional supplies produced before the "dominos start to fall/the supply chain and production capacity breaks down" -- but most likely at a higher price and/or with a wait that may or may not run into next calendar year. Think about the temporary shortages and back orders that occured with various Y2K prep items earlier this year. Most if not all of these items no longer have as long a backorder/wait attached to them, if any wait at all, depending on the item. This is the only way I think it might be "better August than Janurary". Also, this causes people in general to "wake up" -- but I sense AND feel that when they do, shopping for preps is going to be like shopping for milk and bread at the local super market about an hour or two after the local TV weather forcaster broadcasts an impending snowstorm of six to ten inches (no jokes, please).

FWIW, my answer to your question. Best wishes, 'yall.


-- Louis (, July 29, 1999.

The 13th of August 1999 is the Mayan "Day Of The Dead", whereby it is believed that momentous events will shape the course of human history. I read last week a fascinating analysis of this time period encompassing Astrology, Prophecy, Chinese Atsrology etc. etc. it was quite amazing how all these different people/disciplines were homing in on this precise period - the day of August 11th seemed to be the touchstone here. I believe Louis may be on to something - I'm certainly trying to get my financial affairs squared away before this date and I'm fast running out of time...

This is the link...

[bloody big snip]

What can we expect for August 13, 1999? According to our current level of scientific knowledge and understanding, it's impossible to predict. There's no way to specifically prepare. We don't know what's coming.

On a more human level, we have the world situation as it is being presented to us in the media. The modern world presents us with a vastly complex social and political picture. Prediction of the future based on current events at this level can easily lead to non- productive hysteria. What other ways can we obtain information that might help us round out our understanding of August 13, 1999 ahead of time?

One of the primary techniques of investigation an indigenous scientist uses is to look at a single issue from multiple perspectives. We've gone to many sources for information, and here's a short synopsis of some of the things we've found:

Some of the sources we went to were astrological. We asked a number of different astrologers from completely different astrological backgrounds their studied opinions regarding August 13, 1999. Each of them gave their predictions for the time period in and around August 13, 1999, for the location of Mexico City Tenochtitlan. None of them knew about the Aztec forecast. They weren't prompted or prepared in any way.

The astrologers came up with a very interesting and challenging insight: from an astrological point of view, the day we're talking about might not happen exactly on August 13, 1999. Each of them independently produced the date of August 11, 1999 as being a day of exceptional astronomical importance. They also individually concluded this difference might be because of discrepancies between our own calendar and the Aztec Sun Calendar.

A number of western astrologers and a Chinese astrologer gave their analyses. Here's what they found:

see link for astrological chart - very square, very weird! [Andy]

The picture the western astrologers paint for us of August 11, 1999 is surprisingly similar to our original definitions of 13 Cane. (If you don't know what 13 Cane is, please go to Explore August 13, 1999.)

1) The last solar eclipse of the twentieth century happens on August 11, 1999. The New Moon Solar Eclipse will occur in Mexico City Tenochtitlan at 5:08:32 AM.

2) There's a grand cross of planets in the fixed signs of Aquarius, Scorpio, Leo and Taurus. These are the four beasts of the Apocalypse referred to in the Biblical Book of Revelation. A Sun and Moon conjunction in Leo opposes Uranus in Aquarius. Mars in Scorpio opposes Saturn in Taurus. All planets square each other.

3) Mercury in Leo opposes Neptune in Aquarius. They both square Jupiter in Taurus. This is a fixed T-Square.

4) A total of 8 out of 10 planets are in fixed signs.

5) Venus is retrograde and at its helical setting, where it disappears into the rays of the Sun. With this movement, Venus will no longer be visible as the Evening Star. It will reappear again several weeks later as the Morning Star.

What does it all mean? This is an archetypal chart of massive and fundamental change. Some astrologers call it an earthquake chart. It indicates a major cataclysmic event that will transform values. Sources of stability break and fall apart. There's an overthrow of old political structure, and a rebirth of a new order. There's a possibility of a global financial meltdown and a massive redistribution of wealth that accompanies a new financial system.

Whatever is going to happen, the chart indicates it will attract international recognition. There's a quality of families being ripped apart by internal tensions, and a sudden fall of the father figure. There's a possible outbreak of war over territorial disputes, accompanied by an unpredictable chain of catastrophic events.

The movement of Venus on this day indicates a time of major social crisis. It's classically a time to dread with the utmost respect. Since this motion happens at the very moment of the solar eclipse, it sends the impact of this action off the charts.

The Chinese astrology for August 11, 1999 reveals some fascinating perspectives. The solar eclipse relates to a time where astrological focus is on the Emperor. Heaven shows displeasure on an eclipse date. There are indications the Emperor isn't doing his job correctly. The affairs of state are out of alignment, and the ruler needs to take appropriate actions to mend them.

The Emperor is a bridge between Heaven and Earth. Fate completely backs up the Emperor on this day. The Fate, Superiors and Offspring palaces are very bright and positive. There's a good foundation of support for what will occur. Zi Wei, the Star of Fate, is in the fate palace. The atmospheric energy of this time backs up responsible actions. This is the best possible moment for such an auspicious and powerful situation.

Yang Ren, the star of Sacrifice, is in the palace of Parents. Tan Lang, the Hungry Wolf star, and Ling Xing, the Alarm Bell star, are in the Actions palace. There's a calling out of misconduct. Tian Yue, the Heavenly Halberd, indicates strong support from seen and unseen partners. Even in the heat of accusations, this support assists the Emperor to do the right thing.

August 11, 1999 is the first day of the Water Monkey month. It's a bright, warm and auspicious day. It has the intuitive ability to present people with what they need just before they need it.

The energy of this eclipse rules the period until the next eclipse. If for some reason the Emperor doesn't succeed on this day, the ministers will have to clean up for him on the very auspicious day of August 13, 1999.

The western astrologers didn't find anything of major importance on August 13, 1999 compared to August 11, 1999. Robert Fenwick, Chinese astrologer for the Academy of Celestial and Mundane Arts in Santa Cruz, California, did. Let's take a look at the Chinese chart for August 13, 1999.

This fire Fowl day is the worst possible day in 1999. Its image is one of a person who could easily become a hoodlum or a rogue unless their grandparents care for and guide them. In this case they will succeed and they can become great. Wen Chang, the star of Literary Brilliance, indicates the grandparents are the ones holding a special knowledge, and they will be the ones to pass it on.

There's no inherent center for this time. It's a picture where the Emperor dies and no one claims the throne. The empire breaks up. It is a dangerous time of civil war. This is a situation where the parents never showed up for the children. Now the children are taking over the parents' role.

On this day, the Fate palace has no stars of its own. It borrows all its stars from other palaces. This indicates profound influences coming from other people. The Fate palace borrows Ju Men, the Great Gate star. It invites a hero to come in and do great things.

The largest element for this day is Seal. People have something to express. They want to come forward and speak. The hero can help people express themselves in a positive, constructive way.

The Wealth palace is bright. There's a sense the changes are good if the proper influences are in place. As the energy shifts, the situation responds appropriately. Even if there's a disaster, money and energy come along with it. Brightness in the Health palace indicates it will be easy to get help if it's needed.

August 13, 1999 is a day of inner Fire and outer Earth. There's plenty of internal energy to match the external situation. It's a time that shows a martial arts spirit. It's cautious walking on the edge.

To give us yet another perspective of this time, Vernon Mahabal, director of the Planetary Palmistry institute in Oakland, California, gives us his appraisal. Vernon has studied thousands of people's palms from all over the world for many years, and he's found some very interesting correlations. Although an exact day is not evident, mid August 1999 appears to be the beginning of major changes in people's lives. He sees a time of great family turmoil and upheaval, geographical changes and mass migrations. There's a move toward decentralization of society and the creation of small, self sufficient, ecologically based communities. Values get redefined on all levels. People will begin to seek spiritual solutions to material challenges. They will learn to penetrate into the hidden underlying causes behind events. There's a quality of respiritualization and the return of a personal experience of God. This includes an essential, direct relationship with a God who is a sentient being rather than a distant abstraction.

When this many self similar patterns show up from such a variety of completely unrelated disciplines, a good indigenous scientist will tell you something's going on.

NASA tells us 1999 is presenting us with of the most intense solar storms we've ever seen. The Sun may speak with us on August 13, 1999.

An enormous magnetic storm emanating from the Sun might not seem like such a bad thing to you. Consider this: Our last period of concentrated sunspot activity was eleven years ago in 1988. It caused magnetic waves large enough to disrupt communications systems all over the world, blow out power stations in Canada, and produce the Aurora Borealis, or the Northern Lights, as far south as Jamaica.

Think about it: Electromagnetic devices store and process nearly one hundred percent of the vital information of our information age. Electromagnetism in one form or another is the basis of every bit of our technology. Take a look around at how much of your life depends on the stable, predictable responses of our electromagnetic world. Your car, appliances, all communications, the storage of food, your money in the bank, and many other things all depend on it.

That's the good news. There's something much more important to consider. Your biofield is extremely sensitive to even minor fluctuations in our electromagnetic environment. This is one of the many important teachings that was brilliantly encoded in the Aztec Sun Calendar. Your body could translate a massive fluctuation of solar magnetism into almost any biological signals.

The solar flare cycle already is growing in intensity. Many sensitive people are experiencing a strange combination of tiredness, heightened awareness of energy fields, loss of long and short term memory with an accompanying ability to stay present in the current moment, easy confusion and disorientation, and an intensified ability to discern patterns.

In some ways, it's a comical scene: all the New Agers bumbling around in an Alzheimer's like syndrome. But this is real. It's happening right now. We don't know how many people it's going to affect, or how it's going to affect them, or for how long.

Then again, maybe the effects won't be so dramatic. Will we be able to understand or even perceive the events that take place on August 13, 1999? Will it turn out to be some kind of subtle event that only the indigenous world will perceive in the moment, and the rest of us will catch the fallout in the years to come? Will we all just be sitting around on August 13, 1999 asking ourselves if we feel anything yet?

[end bbs]

-- Andy (, July 29, 1999.

end bs, you mean. :~}

-- number six (, July 30, 1999.

You cheeky bugger number six!

-- Andy (, July 30, 1999.

Dear Shakey,

I'm for real. This is the real me. I'm not Mr. Poole or anyone else. My real first name is Louis. I don't care to reveal my identity -- because I'm a Y2K programmer -- and from the comments I've read, if I were to reveal the organization I work for people would ask me questions I can't answer in an "official" capacity, and others would start with the paranoid conspiracy theories. I lurk, read and post here as a private individual person who has been very concerned about Y2K for a little over a year. I've read, recommended and given away copies of Mr. Yourdons book to those I care about. Very little "getting it" from those I know. I post, as a "private individual" using my computer at work. Therefor, I DON'T want to muddy the "personal" with the "official" -- because I'M not an official. I "got it" from reading Mr. Yourdons book. All the interconnectedness simply had not occured to me until then. Duh, huh? So much for my I.Q. being in the upper five tenths of the 99th percentile [wish my spelling was :) or is it :( ]. I don't have a computer at home, nor a TV -- by choice. I make over $60K a year in St. Louis. That's enough to afford electronic toys around here. I don't read much in the way of technical stuff either. I know everything I need to know to do my job now and for the next few years. I would rather live my life when I leave work instead of spending my free time learning my next marketable skill set. Back in colledge, I learned my first four computer languages in three and a half weeks during a 16 week semester -- so I figure I can bone up on my next marketable skill set in six months study max. Tired of studying. Rather live a tiny bit.

I'm lead tech on a very large mission critical mainframe computer system for the organization I work for. I have production responsibilities for this system. I do all the 12/31 - 01/03 and 2/28, 2/29, 3/1 date and other testing of the APPLICATIONS SOFTWARE over and over again so as to give other "external partners" an opportunity to test with us. I will say, refusing to reveal my identity or organization, that the APPLICATIONS SOFTWARE works fine -- including in a "Y2K LPAR", but I'll also say that the APPLICATIONS SOFTWARE is just one piece of the puzzle -- there is still plenty that can go wrong, go wrong, go wrong (sorry, a scene from the movie Westworld came to mind) (and I'm sure some have already thought Ha! More disinformation!; A sinister plot!; or some other such nonsense from what little I have revealed here). Any bullshit or jepardizing my anon. status and I will simply have to disappear from this forum.

I was told a few months ago I'm "mission critical" here. And they are right. Anybody I work with will tell you I am VERY good at what I do. My boss tells me I'm among the top 10 technical tallents he has ever seen. I guess that's why they keep me. I've got a herniated disk in my low back from a fall last November. Just what I need going into next year, huh? Might as well "man the fort" -- but would anyway. I'm a "do my duty"/"the right thing" kind of guy. A multi-faceted person. Very. But just a imperfect human being with faults, pluses, minuses, flaws, good days, bad days, days when I'm right on and days when I'm off key. In essence, just me. Nobody else.

If TSHTF, I'll be "at my battle station", i.e. my computer, doing what I can to fix whatever problems arise. I just can't in good conscience head for the hills. I might well be right in the middle of an LA style riot if TSHTF, but if I don't do my job, the s**t will continue to hit the fan untill somebody does do my job. I'm the best qualified person here to do it, so I'll "do my duty" instead of "ride out the storm". The analogy I prefer is the electric linepeople who go out to restore electricity after a storm. They go out no matter how bad it's storming -- because if they don't, the power stays out until somebody does -- and it might as well be them 'cause nobody else can do it better or faster -- certianly not their managers! Score 1 for the worker bees! Yeah!! (just couldn't resist) :))))

I posted my "intuitions" in my above post out of the heartfelt desire that they will nudge some regular here to get theirs before the "crowds" get busy. I do like and care about 'yall a little bit since I've been pretty much checking in on a daily basis for about a year -- at least on workdays. Weekends I rarely look at a computer -- except when I have to waste my Saturday doing the same Y2K test yet again so a handfull of external "partners" can say they tested. Why not all do it on the same day? Politics...wahtever they want...whenever they get "round2it" know the routine, I'm sure. Maybe I should get a "journal" instead of posting like this. Sorry. I don't have time to keep up with you guys and gals and examine my navel too. I'll go away if 'yall want. That, or 'yall will have to put up with an occasional cathartic post. Again. The best of wishes to you all. And I do mean that very sincerely. And thank you all for sharing a little of yourselves with me. I've appreciated it. And I've learned "stuff" and gleaned many insights to ponder. Thanks.



-- Louis (, July 30, 1999.


I just read your post. FWIW, on an earlier post, I almost wrote about August 11th. But I thought I'd written enough already. And my "intuition" connects the impressions I get for August 11th with the August 13th date. Sort of like peoples perceptions experience another "stair step" of evolution from August 11th to the 13th. I just figured I had said enough already. And now I figure I'll "rest my case" -- lest some bullshit about me wanting to adjust my "intuitions" after the fact start up on this thread. End of my comments on the date range I've mentioned. 'Nuff said is a good quote. I like it. Time WILL tell very soon, won't it!?!

Again, Best wishes to 'yall.

Again, Sincerely,

-- Louis (, July 30, 1999.


In 1929, the Dow-Jones averages reached their high point for the year on September 3rd. There wasn't real alarm about the stock market until the last half of October.

-- Linkmeister (, July 30, 1999.

Friday the 13th of August will be the 100 birthday of Alfred Hitchcock.

ahem, Good Evening.

-- jjbeck (, July 30, 1999.

Is this thread for "The Birds" or what.

-- Louis (, July 30, 1999.

Thanks, Louis. I am appreciative that you shared your intuitive vision. I really needed it today. My attorney, (and dear friend,) was discounting my anticipation of a financial downturn this fall and a depression next year. He told me his brother just wrote a book saying y2k would be have no more impact than a winter storm.

Sometimes it gets to me and I wonder whether I should just stop and go back to sleep with the rest of the herd. Posts such as yours help revive motivation to continue as long as there is still time.

I hope you continue to post and grow to feel comfortable with the forum.

-- marsh (, July 30, 1999.

Thank you Marsh. Got to get back to work now. Best wishes, good night, and sweet dreams. And remeber, we CAN still choose to enjoy each day as much as we can while we have days to enjoy -- all the days of our life.

Nite nite!


-- Louis (, July 30, 1999.

Louis, My friend is totally psychic and more. THat's how I found our about Y2K. I thought she was crazy, but she is always right--which drives me nuts. Anyway, she has consistently had a picture in hr head that the grid was going to go during the summer. Slowly I begin to wonder if she's not right about that too....

-- Mara Wayne (, July 30, 1999.


The solar max cycle that I mentioned above has the ability, if deadly enough, to do just that.

-- Andy (, July 30, 1999.


I first apoligize for my being sheptic; then I tell you to get the hell out of Dodge, in the next breath! I am not a programmer (wish I was) I am an old shirt tailed master electrican (yes..been one of those Whichtaw Line men). And young fellow. I pulled the plug when I learned last year that the embeded problems were not fixed like we were told they would be way back in the 70' and 80's...

I don not intend to work on another job where I have an armed helper working with me ( Kuwait back in the 80's)..Look at the emergency powers given to the governer of California last month! He can draft any programmer and send them any where he wants. I am not a slave and will not labor as one.


-- Shakey (in_a_bunker@forty.feet), July 30, 1999.

Mother-in-law has what would be a MAsters (if they rewardeed that sort of thing for the equivalent study) in Astrology. She has warned us both (I'm Taurus/Aries w/ Libra and spouse is Leo/Leo that this next 3 weeks are going to be NASTY/INTERESTING.

Amnd SHE don't need no steenkin' Y2K. (or believe it will be anything worse than a storm)


-- Chuck, a night driver (, July 30, 1999.

AND, if you are AT ALL familiar with a place called Lily Dale, they (the family I married into) are from over the hill there.


-- Chuck, a night driver (, July 30, 1999.

Back in March, someone at Westergaard 2000 had an article that mentioned hedge funds, and when hedge funds might react to Y2K:

-- Linkmeister (, July 30, 1999.


you have surpassed yourself!!!

-- Andy (, July 30, 1999.

What a great bunch of people here with interesting comments. The information about the August 11th-13th dates are quite accurate and do cover most of the information I have read. If we take the solar activity levels, the astrological aspects, the aztec calender..and yes put these together with Nostradamus prophesies,(not that I recommend believing those, I generally don't), we may have something here. We could blend all of these together and look to the skys if we may. Y2k could be a dawning eyeopener soon. To believe the general public will become aware in August though is a far out thought. I really think anything related to Y2k awareness/panic will be in Oct. Carol BTW...I know Lilydale is in NY...:) Anyone that would like to talk about any of these subjects feel free to email me. I can participate

-- Carol (, July 30, 1999.


The information to predict a market crash has existed since Mar 98 to my knowledge. 7 years ago when I started working on this mess I thought we'd handle it in routine system maintenance. Hah.

I don't know about the August date, but I am sure before the end of October we will see a significant downturn. Here is some considerations:

* Investors are conditioned to believe in October crashes.

* The 1987 crash was the result of .7% of the money being withdrawn from the market (that's 7/10 of 1%)

* 33% of Americans say they are going to prepare.

* Many retirement accounts (including 2 of mine) are set up so you have to tell wall street to move the money a week before the end of the month and the money moves on the first of the next month. That means big money can tell when americans try to get out and can get theirs out in advance.

* There are funny things going on with gold and fiat currencies that are too complex to go into here.

-- ng (, July 30, 1999.

August 11, August 13, GPS August 21 + 22, Dog Days of August, end of August often beginning of Wars, solar flares, heat stressing grid, and Nostradamus has until Halloween to make good on his 7th month of 1999 stuff. Meanwhile, keep plugging away on those preps. Went shopping yesterday and bought some nice, extremely cheap stuff, all imported. Get it now while it's so easy, here, super inexpensive.

Happy last day of *JULY 1999*

3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0 3~0

-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (, July 30, 1999.

Folks, I don't care a fig for astrology, but my *gut* is SCREAMING at me that something is going to break soon..........

Could this just be my way of dealing with the tension, of "hoping" we will start to see some resolution soon? Possibly. But, like Louis, I try to follow that gut feeling.

Better ready two months early than a week too late.


I'd appreciate the chance to take that tour with you. My email is real, we can do it by email or on ICQ or you tell me.

-- Jon Williamson (, July 30, 1999.

Aug 11. is Clinton's birthday.

-- wrap (, July 30, 1999.

Don't leave Louis. Just roll with the punches. This is a wooly forum. Are you really from St. Louis? I'm at the Lake of the Ozarks, and few people here think about anything but roaring up and down the lake in a boat and drinking themselves into a coma.

-- gilda (, July 30, 1999.

I can appreciate the intuitive twitchings and the gut wrenchers too. Louis, stay awhile.

Well, the market is doing badly for a couple days and I know you all are a little nervous in a good and bad way. Me too. I'm glad I'm out or I would have been in big trouble and stressed out; I got out just in time and not so long ago. A week or so. Still, I hope that any corrections or Y2K-related anticipatory withdrawals won't happen, or at least, that they delay a while. There is enough possibility for unpleasant and unwelcome surprises for us... next year.

Wouldn't it be great if everybody got an early rude awakening that woke them up to Y2K too? Yes and no.

Maybe you are like me and would like a stronger confirmation on your conclusions and preparations. I have mixed feelings, but I think I can make it to the New Year without putting my preps in a yardsale before next year-- if no confirmation comes. Be patient. Yes, patience is a minor virtue, but it is a virtue still. To me, even a minor virtue is more splendid than all my preps. Maybe, I'm just funny that way.

Sincerely, Stan Faryna

-- Stan Faryna (, July 30, 1999.

I thought things would get much wierder by now. There is certainly a lot of consensus that August will be gnarly. I will be camping over the next full moon (August 10 - 14) and if this time period makes you uneasy then I suggest you do the same.

I will be there because that would be my normal choice of places to be on a hot August full moon night. However I will be bringing more on my camping trip than I normally would.

Don't wait for Y2k to start. It is already here. Spend as much time as you can in the place you want to be during Y2k. Blow your Christmas budget now and prepare your family for whatever. Beans and rice will serve you even if it is *just* an economic collapse.

Good wishes and fair weather to all you and yours and lets hope all the prophets were wrong this time.

-- R (, July 30, 1999.

Louis, from St. Louis it finally hit me. On August 10-13 Mark McGuire comes to Philly to drop a couple of bombs on the vet. He hit his 495th tonight. Maybe, just maybe we'll see #500. Your intuition is unreal. Thanks for the warning. a Phils fan.

-- Bb (, July 30, 1999.

What a weird thread! No sarcasm, just, I can't resist it, an intuitive impression. :-)


-- Jerry B (, July 30, 1999.

For what it's worth, the SHEEPLE start to focus after Labor Day, which occurs 'late' this year, Sept. 6th. Awareness increases as we celebrate the Jewish New Year 5760, which is a wonderful media segue into dates and calendars. Ten days later, the Jewish Day of Atonement offers similar media opportunities, being the last Yom Kippur of "this Millennium."

Then, just

FOUR days later, on Sept. 24, the 99th day mark is reached, with media countdown hype. Then, only SIX days later, (on my caledar opposite a STUNNING picture of Tyra Banks) on a FRIDAY, October begins.

-- K. Stevens (kstevens@It's ALL going away in, July 31, 1999.

Hi everybody, here's my $0.02 worth. 1) Natal horological astrology is BS, so please do not waste our time by discussing it on this forum. For those who want to spend time on it, please buy the appropriate publications at your local supermarket check-out counter. You may also want to ask anyone with an earned astronomy degree about the defensibility of its premises.

2) Unless the 8/22 GPS rollover or the 9/9 EOF protocol problem results in a serious TARFU along the lines of 5x the effects of the UPS strike or 20x the effects of the GM strike, I think that all that will observably happen within the next 30-60 days is an increase in the slope of the "increase in awareness that eventually leads to preparing or panic" curve. The effect would be significant longer-term by hastening the day social events occur that DWGIs cannot easily ignore, but would not lead to immediately visible changes. 3) I am not privy to what the big corps or govt are planning behind closed doors, so can only guess at best what they are planning (such as what the Sept. 1 beginning of the phase-in of martial law in the US means). I can only tell you that the (very few) companies I have inside info on are either 1) denying Y2K is any kind of a problem that could affect them, or 2) claim to have fixed every way it could affect their continued operations - but they actually haven't.

PS: My site is getting a total redo, with new articles (and Y2K-GI graphics) being added soon. Check it out in a few days if you like.

-- MinnesotaSmith (, July 31, 1999.

To -R

There is a total solar eclipse on Aug 11. That means the moon is new, not full. Hope this does not disturb your plans. Pete

-- Pete (, July 31, 1999.

New Moon?? Then it's the start of the month of Elul...the time for spiritual examination just prior to the Jewish New Year on September 10-11. Time for heavy duty prayer and meditation...on the New Year it is written...who will live, and who will die, etc, etc.

Really poinant going into Y2K!!

-- K. Stevens (kstevens@It's ALL going away in, July 31, 1999.

Bold off.

-- Linkmeister (, July 31, 1999.

Hey MinnesotaSmith!

I sat and read your complete web site the other day. I also left a comment. Amazing and amusing. Good luck! Great pointers. Carol

-- Carol (, August 01, 1999.

7-division 7-division 7-division 7- division77777777

-- separation-time. (, August 14, 1999.

"One more thing...On August 6th, the general population will be reflecting on the "perception shift" of August 4th and 5th...then step up their actions on August 7th...with the magnitude, and the actions it results in registering AND becomming evident on August 9th; that is what I was refering to in my above posts' comments on the overall change in "magnitude" between August 5th and August 9th...this post gives more details for confirmation of my prediction(s) or their refutations. Time will tell...very wishes...


-- Louis (, July 29, 1999. "

Louis, do you think maybe your intuitions were for next year? People aren't stirring still...

-- Watching (, August 16, 1999.

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