Gary North : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread

It has occured to me the resemblance of Gary North's warnings to our society and Noah's to his era. How the general public of his day scoffed at his warnings and attributed him to being a madman. Why, what he was telling them was something they couldn't comprehend; it was just too preposterous to possibly happen. He warned them until the bitter end, but once the event began; he couldn't cry for them. He could only try to keep himself and his loved ones alive.

-- jb (, July 29, 1999


Gary North = Noah. Who said Doomers have enough tinfoil for their hats?

-- Y2K Pro (, July 29, 1999.

Problem is, Gary North WANTS to be Noah. I don't think it works that way. Of course, Gary may get lucky, and all hell could break loose. I hope Y2K is a bump in the road, only so that Gary doesn't become some kind of martyr.

-- jc (, July 29, 1999.

It is an interesting analogy. I too hope Gary North is as wrong as can be; however, the world as a whole does seem to be going to hell in a handbasket and if God wants to bring this country and all others to their knees; this is one way of doing it.

-- Fence Sitter (, July 29, 1999.

I am not a doomer, just one who would rather be safe than sorry. It's interesting to note that what little I try to influence my neighbors (and my wife) to prepare for some inconvienences, I get scoffed at. My wife thinks I'm over the edge just because I want to get a pump shotgun for home defense. It's not because I can't handle the weapon, I'm a 25th infantry division vet! Why won't Pollys even acknowledge the fact that there 'might' be some problems for which they need to prepare?

-- Dead Eye (, July 29, 1999.

A day with out Y2K Pro's cut and paste is like a day without sunshine.

Not guilty!! Let's golf.

-- O.J. (, July 29, 1999.


I agree with you, and have thought of the Noah analogy many times. This does seem to be a repeat of that same crushing societal fall. And if that is what is happening, then perhaps God has directed that there be a general blindness for most people. Obviously, the Polly crowd can not and will not accept that something very serious is unfolding. As you noted, those who watched Noah didn't believe him. During the last year I have become aware of a term, "quickening." This refers to events speeding up to where it is beyond our control. I have also used a more common analogy. It is like a train which is speeding toward a broken bridge over a canyon. A few people are aware of the situation and try to warn others, but mostly they get replies of "they wouldn't let that happen to us." But, if the bridge supports and rails and spikes are not all in place when the train tries to go across it at 100mph, it will derail. Workmen are fixing it now, trying to get all the items repaired. A lot of work has been done, and a lot more will be done before the train gets there. Will it all be repaired and safe for passage in time. I don't think so.

-- Gordon (, July 29, 1999.

I read Gary North daily. Why do so many dislike him? He is presenting what he wants to on HIS site. I don't care if he is right or wrong. What difference will it make either way?

-- Carol (, July 29, 1999.

I'm going to blow that picture up! Thanks, it'll make for great target practice with my Mossberg.

-- Anti Y2KPRO (, July 29, 1999.

Dead Eye, if you end up buying a no-frills 12 gauge (heartily recommoned either a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500, with a short barrel [around 18", the legal minimum]), you should go to and get some goodies for it. A magazine extension for extra capacity, pistol grip, sidesaddle for extra shells, maybe even a sling, will turn it into an excellent home defense weapon. And be sure and load it with the Right Stuff, too: #4 buckshot or 00 are the usual preferred home defense choices.

-- Jack (, July 29, 1999.

Gary North has always been a doomer gloomer. You can trace his steps all the way back to the "Ruff Times," in the 70's. Howard Ruff has written several books and has included several articles written by Gary North. Of course, all the doom and gloom that was bellowed from these books never materialized. For instance, if you took their advice and bought as much gold as you could at that time and held onto it to this day, you would have lost your shorts! You would never have invested in the stock market ever again, and you would be living in a shack distancing yourself from the world waiting for the STHTF. If you do the research on these people, it's plain to me that they are into doom and gloom not because they want to warn you or even care about you, it's to sell you something that you can find somewhere else for free.

-- I smell a rat (I smell a, July 29, 1999.

What does Gary North sell other than subscriptions to Remnant Review? I doubt the RR is too lucrative. I disagree with North's particular religious schtik, but he is entitled to his opinions, and I have to appreciate his rather old-fashioned scholarship. North expects a 10, I'm planning for a five, so I can give North only half the credit or blame in any case. But because North is a religious nut does not mean that everything he might say on y2k is either illogical or false. Quite frankly, logic and reason support much of his case. As for his opinion, he is quite clear what his opinions are, to which he is entitled, so why the fuss, except that people just don't like him?

-- Forrest Covington (, July 29, 1999.

I vote for Gary North to replace Koskinen.

Then get ready for some wild press conferences! Hahaha!

-- Randolph (, July 29, 1999.

to all:

Dr. North has forgotten more about history, religious history, philosophy and y2k information than most of us will ever know.

My suggestion would be to at least fein humility, and learn from someone who is willing to share knowledge, exert tremendous time and energy, all in an effort to enlighten a public who for the most part will not listen.

It is a thankless job, except for the few get it. Get it?

Bob P

-- Bob P (, July 29, 1999.

He may be right or he may be wrong, but Gary North is without doubt one of the most courageous and the most intelligent people I've ever come across. Also one of the funniest.

-- cody varian (, July 29, 1999.

I would consider Gary North more of a false prophet than Noah. Lets visit quickly many of the failed predictions of doom that North has used to sell the Remnant Review shall we, All right here

After you review the site and see what Dr. North has wrote about, he hardly qualifies to speak on Y2K. He collects Y2K articles all days and spins them to fit his view. Anyone can do that and many doomers chastise(sp?) Charles Rueben for doing the same thing to debunk Y2K myths. Its a double standard that many doomers have.

I will safely assume that North is wrong again on Y2K being a 10 and it being a 4(96 hours of heavy disruptions in localized regions. 2 to 4 months of slower economic growth. Supply slowdowns and inflation for the rest of 2000 to a more stable economy as we enter the first 6 to 8 months of the New Year.)

Even over at at the experts site Gary loves to show off that he feels the end has come. Please remember once again also that the good friend of Gary, Art Bell this December is releasing a Ice Age survival manual as he feels we are on the dawn of a new one.

-- MrWayCool (, July 29, 1999.

Art Bell is another crack pot! No substance, has wacky guests on his show, who knows when he's on the air or off the air, and keeps repeating old news. Art Bell has lost it and will have a hell of a time regaining his audience. I tuned him out several months ago as well as my friends have.

-- Lost Art Bell Fan (, July 30, 1999.

The Noah's Ark analogy was already old when I encountered it early last year.

An even more popular & apt analogy is the Titanic. Especially since there are not enough life boats for everyone on board, & the only chance of survival is to get into one before they're full. That means believing in the reality of the coming disaster, then acting quickly while everyone else is waiting & denying & wasting time.

"I'm the king of the world... blub blub blub..."

-- analogies (and@ice.burgs), July 30, 1999.

Yep, Gary has lost his credibilit y and has taken many good people with him Hyatt, Yourdon , Bell, Anderson, etc.

-- pity north (followers@ratherThan.leaders), July 30, 1999.

Yep, Gary has lost his credibilit y and has taken many good people with him Hyatt, Yourdon , Bell, Anderson, etc.

-- pity north (followers@ratherThan.leaders), July 30, 1999.

Since y2k has yet to play out, in what sense can North be said to have lost his credibility? Let's wait until it comes before we start trashing the messengers.

-- Forrest Covington (, July 30, 1999.

When did Gary have credibility in the first place to begin with?

-- MrWayCool (didgaryeverhaveit@credibility.cmo), July 30, 1999.

I could care less what GNs religious bent his, or that he's been "wrong" in some of his past predictions. He alone is responsible for convincing me that y2k has the potential to be a serious problem and worthy of at least minimal preparation. He alone has opened my eyes to the nature of economic systems and interdependencies. I did not think about those things before very much. Sometimes what he has to say is pretty nutty and off-the-wall, IMO. Sometimes he's funny and down right entertaining. Sometimes what he says should be taken with a grain of salt. But that does not mean his voice is not important.

I personally don't think things are going to get as bad as GN says, but I can't be absolutely sure of that. (I suspect the economy is far more dynamic--more organic--that it's able to repatch the y2k-induced holes in its web of activity rather quickly.) He makes a pretty strong case that we ARE vulnerable to a major collapse of finance and/or infrastructure, or in the very least, a severe shakeup akin to the 1930s. What makes everyone so certain that good economic times are going to last forever? We are incredibly vulnerable now PRECISELY because of the overconfidence in our perceived invulnerablility, something GN emphasizes well. If y2k doesn't ruin things, something else might very well do it.

By the way, I often wonder if GN reads or posts on this forum and does so with a pseudonym. Any ideas of who he might be?

-- coprolith (, July 30, 1999.

Has anyone here read Thomas Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"? I can't remember if that is the exact title or not, but close. In that book Kuhn talks about how it takes "oddballs" whose preconceptions about the world differ with the majority to really come across new discoveries and new methods. Kuhn was talking mainly about the Scientific world, but the majority of his book is relevant to all areas of life. I kind of think of GN as an oddball. But because of his past experiences in economics and theology he looks at thing totally differently than 99.9% of other brainy people. As a result, at least with Y2K he saw it coming way before anyone else. Do you remember reading about Y2K in early 1997? I do and it was because of de Jager and GN.

BTW if Y2K comes and goes without too much of a hitch, you all can kiss Gary goodbye. His carreer is gone. If on the other hand... well, I'll just say it takes balls to put a bet out there the likes of what Gary has done in the last 3 years.

-- Jim the Window Washer (, July 30, 1999.

By the way, I often wonder if GN reads or posts on this forum and does so with a pseudonym. Any ideas of who he might be?

-- coprolith (, July 30, 1999.

I would guess he uses the handle Butt Nugget.

-- Butt Nugget (nugbuttet@better.mousetrap), July 30, 1999.

Gary North is an idiot, a religious nut, a fear monger, and not one of his predictions has come true yet. I think many people who first come to his site are totally turned off by his spin doom, gloom and his bragging about all his oil wells, bunkers, food, etd.,

Nobody knows for sure what will happen, and God doesn't write Gary's silly diatribes for him.

-- gilda (, July 30, 1999.

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