Whatcha want to bet that Y2K induced failures will be patently blamed on terrorism next year? Looks like that's the path the Feds are traveling...it might also explain the heavy duty guns that were reportedly sold to a nuke facility in a previous thread (maybe someone can hotlink it).

U.S. Nuke Agency Wants Terror Drills At Plants 3.54 p.m. ET (1955 GMT) July 16, 1999

WASHINGTON  The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission Friday proposed requiring nuclear plant owners to conduct more frequent drills for dealing with a terrorist attack.

In a statement, the nuclear agency said it had begun writing a new rule to replace the agency's Operational Safeguards Response Evaluations (OSRE) program. NRC said drills would be more frequent under the new measure, and maintain OSRE requirements for field exercises using mock terrorists.

"NRC will likely continue to use private contractors to assist in its evaluation of the performance of its licensees during drills and exercises in which a mock terrorist force attempts to compromise the security of nuclear power plants by gaining access to vital equipment,'' the agency said.

Rep. Ed Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat and frequent critic of the NRC safety programs, has for months complained about efforts to cancel the OSRE program.

Last May, Markey released a letter to his office from then NRC Chairman Shirley Jackson in which she revealed that a nuclear power plant had been the recent target of a terrorist threat. Markey said the threat was proof of the need for increased vigilance.

NRC said the new security program will be incorporated into the agency's baseline inspection system when it is fully in place next year. A pilot program is currently underway evaluating nine nuclear plants throughout the country.

The U.S. has 103 operating nuclear power plants, generating some 20 percent of the nation's electricity supply.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), July 16, 1999

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DO DOOMER,S==TERRORIST,S???? WHO WANT,S TO BE MY CELLMATE??? GADZOOKS THIS IS GETTING HAIRY. sure hope this ain,t=IT.

-- orange-coverall.s? (dogs@zianet.com), July 16, 1999.

Whatcha want to bet that Y2K induced failures will be patently blamed on terrorism next year?

What if they ARE the target of terrorist attacks? If they claim a blackout occured because of an armed attack on a facility they better have plenty of dead bodies on hand for the news cameras or people won't buy it.

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), July 16, 1999.

Tech -

I get your point...but do you really trust mass media to report the truth, especially in a time of "national emergency"? I personally feel that we are being conditioned to accept the "terrorist" explanation right now and if CNN et. al. play ball with the Feds, we will be none the wiser, unfortunatley.

R.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), July 16, 1999.

Roland commented:

"Whatcha want to bet that Y2K induced failures will be patently blamed on terrorism next year? Looks like that's the path the Feds are traveling...it might also explain the heavy duty guns that were reportedly sold to a nuke facility in a previous thread."

Roland, you can rest assured the groundwork is being laid to off load any and all blame for y2k. The Federal Government WILL NOT take the fall. Corporate Execs WILL NOT take the fall.

Ray

-- Ray (ray@totacc.com), July 16, 1999.

Off , Off , Off!

-- format police (fp@html.html), July 16, 1999.

Still think my account of the gun store owner and the Nuke plant are so silly now? I continue to maintain that the gun store owner had no reason to BS me with that story.

I think the Nuke terrorist threat is probably real. If you're a Bin Laden type, they offer some appeal from a terror standpoint. However, I think that a chem or bio attack on a large civilian population is probably a much more likely scenario. Most terrorists are not dumb, in fact they're pretty sophisticated operators and they're not gonna pick the hardest target around and by the time all this foofah is done, my guess is the Nukes will be pretty well hardened. Also, I think this whole terror threat is an EXCELLENT way to roll out some spec forces and Nat Guard boys. "We must protect our national interests, blah, blah blah."

-- Tommy Gunn (machineguns@nukes.com), July 16, 1999.

Format police---Thank You

-- DuffyO (duffyo@mailcity.com), July 16, 1999.

Tommy Gunn...it's all becoming clear now!!! Man, this is getting way too strange.

In a way though, it makes a lot of sense as to why the Fed is using spin on the situation.

The US is doing great all you agenda pushing freaks and terrorists! Don't EVEN think about it.

Mike

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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), July 16, 1999.

Tommy - thanks for posting. I've been looking for the thread and couldn't find it, but it immediately came to mind when I read this press release.

R,

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), July 16, 1999.

opps, that came out strange...should have been

"In a way though, it makes a lot of sense as to why the Fed is using spin on the [Y2k] situation [as a whole]."

Why give any enemy cause to think we might be vulnerable in any way.

Mike

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-- Michael Taylor (mtdesign3@aol.com), July 16, 1999.

Roland,

I get your point...but do you really trust mass media to report the truth, especially in a time of "national emergency"? I personally feel that we are being conditioned to accept the "terrorist" explanation right now and if CNN et. al. play ball with the Feds, we will be none the wiser, unfortunatley.

But MSNBC and FOXNEWS won't. When all other media outlets (including CNN) were all but ignoring the ChinaGate scandal these two reported on it almost daily. They may not be the best, but as far as I can tell they don't generally toe the party line.

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), July 16, 1999.

Tech -

I'm not trying to be difficult, but please enlighten me as to why "MicroSoft" NBC and Fox news will be accurate? Is it because of their stellar coverage of Y2K to date? Because of their "hard hitting" questioning of the feds and corporate compliance statements? Because of their exposes of the FAA's previous lies?

And I believe we are assuming that the government will not have taken over all media outlets after the rollover...

R.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), July 16, 1999.

Roland,

I'm not trying to be difficult, but please enlighten me as to why "MicroSoft" NBC and Fox news will be accurate? Is it because of their stellar coverage of Y2K to date? Because of their "hard hitting" questioning of the feds and corporate compliance statements? Because of their exposes of the FAA's previous lies?

I said, as far as I can tell, they don't toe the party line. I did NOT say they were great at reporting Y2K, but I haven't heard them say that Y2K would be a three day storm either.

And I believe we are assuming that the government will not have taken over all media outlets after the rollover...

Well now, that's quite a different story than 'playing ball' with the Govt. isn't it? If they take over the media, expect a revolution. People might turn the their heads if they smell shit, but they won't when a big pile is shoved in their face. The masses might be asleep, but they ain't dead...

-TECH32-

-- TECH32 (TECH32@NOMAIL.COM), July 16, 1999.

Let's hope not...where IS Andy when you need him?? :-)

R.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), July 16, 1999.

If you are in the back woods of Wisconsin, unprepared, and its the blizzard of the century...do you REALLY think it will make a big difference to you whether they stormed the nuke plant or the plant went down due to y2k? Either way, you freeze your butt off if not prepared.

Taz....who highly recommends wood stove, plenty of wood and oil lamps.

-- Taz (Tassie@aol.com), July 16, 1999.

Roland,

Do you believe that we aren't in danger of terrorist attacks that are timed to coincide with the rollover?

I don't. Things have been too quiet in this country, especially with the huge number of enemies we've made over the last few years. I happen to agree with one assessment -- that we've demonstrated that we can inflict a lot of pain using conventional warfare, so forget about direct attacks from smaller countries and groups. I also believe that they have enough intelligent to try to take advantages of perceived weaknesses. And, the rollover period could be such a time period.

I also think that with all the hue and cry over the DoD tests that announcements of that type must be made, simply to avoid telling the world that our military will be weakened. They may/may not believe it, but it beats telling them our guard is down.

BTW, there was a posting about a large arms buy for nukes this past week. Are they going to buy machine guns to fake us out? Don't think so.

-- de (delewis@Xinetopne.net), July 16, 1999.

I think there is a real terrorist risk - of all sorts - cyber-terrorism, biological or chemical terrorism, "standard" terrorism.. things that go boom (with the possible added twist of a suitcase nuke or two].

But....

I also know that *TERRORISM* is a very powerful word that the gov't can use in many strange and wonderful ways.

It can buy big bucks for anti-terrorism programs. [more and more this includes $$ going to private firms - search for "Global Options" which seems to be a sort of private C.I.A.].

It can buy legislation that would never fly without it... legislation that allows gov't intrusion into every aspect of our lives.

It buys freedom for gov't thugs at the expense of citizen's freedoms. In the case of Y2K blackouts, blaming it on terrorism would permit ??... house-to-house searches?... phone taps?... gun grabs?...computer confiscations?... fingerprint and DNA checks on everyone?... mass evacuations?...????

Very powerful word.. TERRORISM. Coin of the realm.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), July 16, 1999.

I was going to try to phrase an elaborate response, and then I read Linda's post.

All I can say is ditto...

R.

-- Roland (nottelling@nowhere.com), July 16, 1999.

One more thought. Of the two risks -
1)real terrorist events
2)"TERRORISM" as "coin of the realm"
I think we have MUCH more to fear from (2) than (1) Real terrorist events are like earthquakes - random, localized events, devastating if you are in the area, but not damaging if you are out of the epicenter. TERRORISM as an idea however.. as a substitute for an external superpower enemy that gives government much of its reason for being...THAT is a threat to all of us. For the fight against TERRORISM (the idea) will cause us (has caused us) to give up freedoms that many have fought and died to protect. Doesn't much matter if YOU know this is going on. All the PTB need to do is to conduct a few polls and show that the MAJORITY support _____ (fill in the blank - its a long list). We have met the enemy... and he is us.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), July 16, 1999.

Linda,

And in the year 2004, after the word "TERRORISM" has inspired fear in everyone's hearts, do you think people testifying before Congress will call replace it with "STARFRUIT?" (Could do wonders for the starfruit market. Personally, I think the things are much too hairy and sour.)

I wonder. After all, there is that "RECESSION/BANANA" thingie. . .

(I'm a smart aleck tonight. I suspect I'm on the verge of inspiring another "Fruitcake" thread.)

:)

-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), July 16, 1999.

RE: MY PREVIOUS POST ON THIS THREAD:

'Gotta stop posting late at night or run spell check when I do.

(Actually, I should re-commit to my 'vow of silence'. Who wants me gone? Vote here. Early and often.)

Sorry for the typos. They serve as a reminder, however about the need to have a life.

:)

-- FM (vidprof@aol.com), July 16, 1999.

nighty-night FM. sweet dreams.

-- Linda (lwmb@psln.com), July 17, 1999.

Interesting possibility. I think we discussed this a while back.

Just a thought, wouldn't multiple terrorist attacks (real or fabricated) cause quite a bit of panic in and of themselves? (the whole terror thing, and all)

sigh...typing with a broken collar bone stinks.

I do think that y2k will be blamed on anything but y2k for as long as is possible.

my 2 cents,

-- Deborah (infowars@yahoo.com), July 17, 1999.

Roland: Ten bucks says that NO Y2K related failures at a nuclear plant will be blamed on terrorism. My e-mail is real.

-- nucpwr (nucpwr@hotmail.com), July 17, 1999.