Rx...antibiotics for kids

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I just spoke with my cousin this afternoon (he is infectious disease/internal medicine doc on east coast) to ask him for feedback for our shopping list when we go to Mexico to get antibiotics and etc. He mentioned Zithromax as a good option for children, strong and comes in powdered form. We are going to have a more detailed discussion about which antibiotics to use with bio-warfare scenario when he gets back from vacation. (He said that at the medical conference which was well attended by government representatives, it was understood that it was a question of "if" we are attacked, but "when".) (In case you are wondering why Mexico instead of flying to east coast, Mexico is three hour drive from our place of business,... even though we "live" in northern Idaho now.) On my shopping list (for Mexico) now is: Lidocaine 1% plain, injectable (anesthesia) Xylocaine (Lidocaine) anesthetic ointment Silvadene - for burns (was told is very expensive, so this is not certain, also, have used it, and was not totally impressed compared to aloe vera and vitamin E)) Isuprel sublingual tablets -for followup treatment for allergy shock reactions (bees/drugs) Prednisolone 5mg tablets for immediate treatment of allergic shock Cephalexin 250 mg. (makes it easier to give to kids, adults will double dose) Neosporin eye ointment Regarding Lomotil...he said buy Imodium and double the dose

We have saved all our "pain" meds for the last couple years or so, we have had injuries that warranted them, but barely used. (tough Scandinavians...ha)

From the over the counter...Costco has Kirkland type brand name, very inexpensive, for Dimetapp and Benadryl and cough syrups. We use Dimetapp for colds and for allergy relief at night occasionally. Also stocking: Ibuprofen, Tylenol, Bayer aspirin, rubbing alcohol, peroxide, iodine, Bag Balm, Aveeno cream and bath treatment (worked great for chicken pox...also for bug bites/poison ivy), couple varieties of cough syrup, zinc lozenges, Epsom salts (supposed to be good for in-grown nails, which are very serious if there is someone with diabetes), aloe vera gel (plus have live plants), Imodium, Neosporin ointment, hydrocortisone cream, and some kind of laxative etc. Think I am forgetting something. Oh well. BTW, I have personally used ginger capsules for motion sickness, and they worked quite well. I used them in conjunction with Valerian when flying and it was a breeze. I am not in the medical field, just coming from the perspective of supplying the medicine cabinet for a family of nine.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 14, 1999

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Man, I can't believe all the crap you people buy for all your sickies! If you would feed your body the nutrition it requires, you would not need all that crap!

Eat lots of raw fruits and veggies and buy yourself a juicer and start dinking raw carrot-apple-parsley juice every day and you will not get headaches, etc, etc!!! If you feed your body nutrition, you will never get a headache again! EVER!!!!

If you keep on eating factory processed food, you will remain sickly! It's that simple!

However, you will ignore this advise and just continue eating crap until you die at a young age!

-- Total Health (Total@health.com), July 14, 1999.


Mr/Miss Total Health,

I is quite easy to see that you've never been in a great amount of pain yourself and for sure you've never had one of your children suffering and crying.

Not knocking your good advise about good things for the body just trying to get across that I'm trying smash hell out of the high-horse position re what others want to do.

-Greybear, whos fuse is apparently short tonight.

-- Got Patience?

-- Greybear (greybear@home.com), July 14, 1999.


Mumsie,

Thanks for all the research. There's lots of good threads in the old health archives of the classic forum. Skipper Clark had a good one long ago, dealing with recommendations from his doctor for intenstinal upsets. I always put hygiene stuff way up at the top of the list. Soap, and more soap.

Ask about ketamine as well as lidocaine, if you're as serious as you appear to be.

OTC: Vaseline, Domboro for itches, Technu for poison oak/ivy [an old timer here told me they used crisco as a barrier when she was a kid], calamine or caladryl lotion, styptic pencil, keep your zinc losenges from going gooey by keeping them in a jar, menthol cough lozenges, vicks vapo rub, blue ice or capsaicin/zostrix type stuff for sore muscles, pepto bismol, Metamucil, multi vitamins, witch hazel, mineral oil, clove oil for toothache, eye wash, tinactin or fungal creme, gold bond powder, foot powder, Desitin-great for all kinds of skin problems, and melatonin for us insomniacs.

Why not generic aspirin?

-- flora (***@__._), July 14, 1999.


Silvadene has an antibiotic (Silver Sulfadiazine) and is not only good for burns, but any extensive skin damage. This includes skin ulcers, which can be a real worry in elderly folk or diabetics.

-- Don Armstrong (darmst@yahoo.com.au), July 14, 1999.

Sigh...Total Health... First, may I point out to you that true health goes beyond the state of the physical body? Your rude and judgemental posting is symptomatic of feeding your mind and heart on too much "crap", and if you would start thinking on what is true and good, you would soon find yourself practicing treating others as you would like to be treated. You will never have your foot in your mouth again, EVER!!!! Perhaps you need to get your "emotional thermometer" out and check your "temper"ature. You assume that we use everything I posted. Let me tell you about what has been used in the last year. Our 19 year old had a ruptured ovarian cyst. She was prescribed serious pain meds, of which she took only a couple pills. Are you aware that this is compared to the pain of acute appendicitis? Uh huh. She used the ibuprofen to manage it. She took Dimetapp maybe three times that I know of when she was acting in a play and had a bad cold. The 16 year old? Well, he has a funny addiction to breathing. Sometimes when he does yard work, even if he showers immediately, he will wheeze a little. I think I have seen him take Dimetapp for that about 8 times max in the last year. He used to have asthma attacks that took us to the emergency room. We chose to let him outgrow it, and did NOT keep him on prescription meds. We monitored him carefully and kept an inhaler always on hand....which was used maybe half a dozen times maximum in his entire life! The 10 year old... guilty of 3-4 doses of Dimetapp in the last year also. For him it was also allergies and wheezing. The 7 year old, ...children's Tylenol once when his fever was 103 degrees, although we monitored him and did not give him anything for the first 24 hours so that the elevated temperature could attack the bad stuff in his body. The 5 year old, two doses of Fletcher's Castoria. We started making sure he was finishing his fruit and veggies and not slipping it to the parrot. The 3 year old, ...ditto the Tylenol once for fever, and two nights he had cough syrup. The 1 year old, not a blessed thing. She nurses and is quite healthy. We do drink the good juices, BTW. We only have traditional dessert (refined sugars) on birthdays, holidays etc. We drink lots of filtered water. I took Ibuprofen twice for back pain. Before you yap about that, I'd like to see you deliver 11 and 12 lb. babies and not throw your back out a little. I also took Cephalexin for mastitis about ten months back. Another one of those, I'd like to see you "walk a mile in my shoes". My husband runs, takes Lots of vitamins, and eats extremely healthy. He also likes to breathe, so is guilty of taking Claritin occasionally. Unless you have fought asthma, stick a sock in it. We seldom eat red meat, pork only a few times a year. We buy organic as much as possible, and are looking forward to our own garden next year. In other words, you are somewhat of a judgemental Bozo.

Why will I stock up on everything I listed? Number one... I believe that there will be (who knows where and when) bio-warfare attacks on the U.S. (Can you say antibiotic?) Two...even if we try homeopathy first, I want the antibiotics on hand if some routine infection is stubborn. Three...accidents and unexpected things happen. Would you like to stitch a toddler without local anethesia (Lidocaine)? Have at it buddy. Four....we are expecting relatives to join us. One of them is severely allergic to bee stings. (Prednisolone and Isuprel) My parents have serious health problems already. Don't even think about yapping about them...they are in late seventies, although even my mother could probably have kicked your butt when she was your age.

I "advise" you to learn how to spell advice, ...oh, and to stop acting like a jerk; however, you will probably ignore this and continue acting like one until you annoy the wrong guy one day and have the wazoo beaten out of you!

Thanks flora, will follow up on your suggestions. And thanks Don, I plan on getting Silvadene if I can squeeze it in the budget.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 14, 1999.



Good morning,

Oh the roosters were going to lose their heads this am but here I am instead! I am glad you have a doctor to help you with this stuff - best qualified. My impression though is that docs tend to be clueless about what this stuff costs (or their income is so high it doesn't bother them). Zithromax IS excellent, especially because it is 1 dose per day - when I asked my doc for generic she said the closest thing was Amoxicillin capsules - remember lots of amoxi drops for the kids (bubble gum flavor). Regarding allergic shock from bees the old standby (still first line treatment here) is epinephrine injectible (though I think the epi inhalers - OTC asthma stuff work pretty well, WHERE'S SERAPHIMA?) as the FIRST step. You can buy epi from Jeffer's catalog plus powdered/capsule antibiotics and scalpels, suture needles, needles/syringes, etc.

I keep buying cheap (44 cents each!) alcohol and hydrogen peroxide. I added gentle and regular iodines from Jeffers. Remember anti- fungal and also hydrocortisone cream - just in case.

I understand completely and support you on this. I also believe in healthy living (oops, spilled my coffee...) and using few meds, but people used to die from a rotten tooth or sinus infection not too long ago. I also value herbal meds (comfrey for wounds, skin ailments!) but we need backups. Thank you for sharing your lists and info. I hope these tidbits were helpful.

-- Kristi (securx@succeed.net), July 14, 1999.


Kristi,

What's Jeffer's? Any contact info available? Never heard of them up here.

Thanks!

-- Arewyn (isitthatlate@lready?.com), July 14, 1999.


TotalHealth: If I were you, I would say "yes, ma'am, sorry, ma'am" really politely and then keep my mouth shut. I certainly don't think I would mess with Mumsie over this antibiotic thing (or any other thing for that matter!) Just a thought.

Mumsie: Thanks for the list, it'll be of help. When I read your post the other day about the weights of your children I said "ouch!" I had two that weighed over 9 1/2 pounds but you beat me, hands down. Gotta respect a woman who can have babies that size and still want to have more. All the best to you and yours. Linda

-- newbiebutnodummy (Linda@home.com), July 14, 1999.


Don't mind the direct speech, but let's keep the lid (on it) in sight. We don't want to get that itchy trigger-delete finger stirred up (down, boy, woof!).

-- BigDog (BigDog@duffer.com), July 14, 1999.

Arewyn, I'm not Kristi, but I do have the # to Jeffers. They are a wholsale animal catalog....vet things. It is 1-800-JEFFERS (1-800-533-3377) Hope this helps.

-- bulldog (sniffin@around.com), July 14, 1999.


MUMSIE:

With your 'shopping list' you could have been reading my Emergency Medical Kit 'manual' -- so of course I think you're a very wise woman.

KRISTI:

The reason Mumsie's getting Isuprel (It's got to be sublingual -- when you get an 'anaphylactic shock' reaction you don't have time for the oral route.) rather than 'the old standby, epinephrine,' which BTW is what 99% of the docs/nurses will recommend to you, is based on the following 30-year observations:

In my early days of practice I used to Rx epinephrine injectible to my patients who were subject to analphylactic reactions (mostly insect stings, but also penicillin reactions.) (When we used it in a hospital setting it worked wonders -- saved all kinds of lives.) Problem: My colleagues and I kept losing office-practice patients (Like they died). How could that be? Here's some sample scenarios.

I. The epi kit (syringe, epi ampule, alky swab) is bulky, enough so that it was kept in the car's glove compartment all hot summer long (when else do you get insect stings?), so that by the time it was needed the summer heat had long since 'soured' the epi (You can usually tell that by it's going from clear to brownish in color.)

II. Because it is bulky the kit seems never to be on the person when he/she gets the allergic reaction: down at the swimming hole, or the beach -- and the car is minutes away. Or at home -- when you're visiting Aunt Mabel a 3 hour drive away. Or at home -- when you're visiting Uncle Harry a 3 hour plane trip away.

By contrast it's much more likely the patient will carry around a small pill container (1"x1"x1/4") with 2 tabs of Isuprel sublingual. Why just 2? 'Cause that's all he/she needs to keep him/her alive till h/s get back to h/h stock bottle (of say 100 tabs) which h/s keeps cool and dry somewhere else (in h/h refrig before Y2K, in h/h 'cool room' after Y2K.) H/S doesn't have a cool room in h/h city-based home? H/s's living in the city??!!! -- hey why is h/s reading these prep threads anyway? Better h/s should spend h/h time/$$$ on something worthwhile like watching evening TV.

[Before getting to my last point, I might add that one GOOD thing about post-y2k life is that maybe no one will any longer have to worry about PC etiquette, to ensure no one is accused of gender discrimination when posting Internet articles. Say after me: "There may not (ever again?) BE an Internet."]

Final point. Why do I bother taking time away from my personal preps to re-state for the nth iteration stuff about epi vs Isuprel, etc.? Because:

1) It's a reminder that there's so much info out there on the Web that no one can keep track of all the past posts on the myriad Fora all over the landscape. So The Wheel gets Reinvented Daily -- and often as not, it's a LOPSIDED wheel!

2) I can be an expert in one field but be a know-nothing in many other fields (E.g., I know zilch about animal husbandry.) There isn't enough TIME to get up to snuff on all the relevant 'independent living' technologies.

3) But MOST important is the last point: collecting info based on someone ELSE'S experience is not the same as developing actual knowhow based on your OWN experience. So I know of lots of people who are collecting binders full of forum posts, describing various detailed protocols for action. Many of these people thereby assume that they've 'got that subject covered -- now on to the next challenge.' PROBLEM, best stated by a tongue-in-cheek quote of a very wise man: "There's NO problem so complex -- that it can't be solved by a theoretician."

So what's the fix for this dilemma? Simple. All that all of us need including yours truly is about 5 to 10 more years of prepping to learn how to 'get it right.' Where do I get this figure? From my own past personal experience (during the '80s). And backed up by Countryside magazine's editor, Jd Belanger. Don't subscribe to it? Start now, and make sure you get all the back Y2K issues (800-551-5691; www.countrysidemag.com)

"Aren't you being a MITE pessimistic, Doc?" All depends on your definition of pessimistic. Apropos, let me close with a quote I keep pasted above my CRT: "Life is known only by those who have found a way to be comfortable with change and the unknown. Given the nature of life, there may be no security, but only adventure..." -- Rachel Naomi Remen

Bill



-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), July 14, 1999.


Hey Dr. Schenker,

I am working on not being overly sensitive about how some folks respond to sincere posts around here but it felt like you were slamming me for suggesting Mumsie look into getting epinephrine for her med chest. My attitude is that if you can get it today, cheaply and it works more often than not then why not? You can then pursue the (hopefully possible) task of locating and procuring the ideal solution which sounds like the sublingual tablets previously described. As far as I am concerned that is a great idea. I do not pretend to be a doctor - in fact I mentioned that her doctor cousin was the best source of this type of info. It is true however that sometimes the simple solutions can be overlooked. If cost and difficulty in acquiring crucial prescription meds keeps someone from being prepared for a crisis when there was a K.I.S.S. solution available - that's pretty sad.

BTW Doc - thank you for all of the information you have made available to us - it is appreciated.

-- Kristi (securx@succeed.net), July 14, 1999.


KRISTIE:

Sorry for banging on you so hard here, but one more point, on Zithromax vs Amoxicillin. The former I don't know anything about (retired in '87) but it's probably one of the myriad new third (4th?) generation cephalosporins. Yes, they are almost ALL super expensive.

On the other hand, Amoxicillin used to be great -- but there's lots of bugs out there now that are partially or completely resistant to it. If someone's got the $$$ to get the hi-priced stuff I recommend they go for it!

And finally, aside from antibiotic resistance, one might consider that Y2K could last longer than '3 weeks.' And it's possible the infrastructure could stay down for "x" years (Could one solve the equation "x = _____" by substituting for the "x," infinity? Naah.) By that time no matter what Rx drugs one's squirreled away they would be long gone.

Is there a fix for that dilemma? Not a simple one. But one that could well be very effective, even against microorganisms that are presently resistant to our hi-tech antibiotics. It would involve the use of 3 modalities, simultaneously: colloidal silver, the Bio-Electrifier, and the Magnetic Pulse Generator. (I've posted on them, mostly in some of the Colloidal Silver threads.)

All of these are scoffed at (to put it mildly) by our friendly FDA. What to do? Well, if one runs into trouble post-Y2K, just ring them up on the cell phone. I'm sure they'll be at one's service.

Bill

-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), July 14, 1999.


KRISTI:

Just saw your posted response. Yeah, I'm a bit testy today. My apologies. Just had to find someone to be a 'strawman' to make my (per usual) sweeping generalizations.

Keep the faith,

Bill

-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), July 14, 1999.


Dr. S:

AS a field paramedic, i would rather see her using BOTH epi (FIRST and SOON) for the beesting alergy person and THEN the isuprel. I've been calkled to scenes where we were less than 4 min from the onset of the shock and we COULD NOT get a tube in to ventilate, until AFTER the epi, and that was a CLOSE thing. I have also seen pat's where the tube and the epi(via Etube) wasw the onlyu way to fix the problem, as the peripheral circulation was so bad that we couldn't FIND a vein for the line, including considering the Saphenous route (which I rarely do due to possible loss of limb).

Chuck

-- Chuck, a night driver (rienzoo@en.com), July 14, 1999.



CHUCK (IE CHEEZE):

Yep, as I've recommended for the past 1 1/2 years: don't look for an M.D. to join your group --- consider yourself lucky if you can find an ex-corpsman, or an EMT, or an ICU nurse.

Of course the latter two types need the support of LOTS AND LOTS of hi-tech gear to do their miracles. What do I mean by hi-tech gear? Such things as IV plumbing, defib units, all kinds of parenteral drugs, computerized monitors of all flavors, etc.

All of which one should be able to fit into one's American Red Cross First Aid kit, replete with manual.

-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), July 14, 1999.


First, BD, my apology for cutting it close to the edge...(woof woof...contrition...woof...sheepish grin...tail wag...

An apology to the forum in general...I do not want this forum to deteriorate into "Neener...snipe..Troll land", so will try hard to be good. I do not like bullyish behavior on or off the forum, and it gets me riled in a hurry. Many people post things that I do not necessarily agree with, and more often than not I just ignore and keep reading (hopefully with mind remaining open). It's the posters that start insulting and name calling (to me or whoever) that get to me. When I realized that people were actually not posting for fear of being flamed, it upset me even more. I have received valuable information in private emails that the entire forum would benefit from. When I was growing up, if someone started teasing or aggravating, and then got it dished back and didn't like it, we were told..."If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen." It often seems that when certain people cannot give a thoughtful and well-reasoned response to a disagreement, they resort easily to the non-thinking crutch and "ignorance-cover" of name calling and insults.

Kristi, thanks for the suggestion about epi, I'm adding it to the list now. You are, by and far, consistently one of the best posters.

Doc Schenker, you are absolutely correct in assuming I went to your manual (as you previously advised me to!). It was tremendously helpful. I also reviewed Y2Kdoc, and some other archival threads, then briefly discussed with my M.D.cousin. I have a great respect for doctors. I would have liked to have gone that route myself, but believe that mothering a large family would not have worked well had I done so. No regrets. I especially appreciate physicians such as yourself, who share their expertise with some humility and even humor. Too many doctors seem to think their diplomas and licenses were divinely issued and that their middle name is god. Many are not open to or capable of questions, new information, and free discourse. You have been a blessing. I am very interested in colloidal silver. I subscribed briefly to an email list, but it was rather confusing, not for those new to it. I have never even heard of Bio-Electrifier or Magnetic Pulse Generator, but they sound fascinating. Do tell please (or send links?)! Regarding traditional medicine vs. homeopathy, I believe in utilizing best of both worlds.

flora, Someone once told me Bayer aspirin, also baby aspirin for those at risk for heart disease and strokes etc. Perhaps there is no difference. Anyone out there have an informed opinion?

Linda, my worst births were the two hospital births, and they were the smallest of the seven. I think the poor women who have mismanaged deliveries are like war veterans. Thanks though! Your baby was Plenty big nuff! And you did it again!

Chuck, it sure would be nice to live near you in a crisis! I would love to hear more of your real life crisis management stories, the quirky, the unexpected, the unusual, and how you responded, the good and bad outcomes etc.

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 14, 1999.


As long as you're going to Mexico, you might as well pick up a bottle of nitroglycerine tabs 0.4 mg for your parents/neighbor with cardiac disease who is determined to chop wood to keep your sick kids warm. Use 1 tab under the tongue five minutes apart, up to 3 tabs total to relieve chest pain. Be sure to sit down FIRST as your blood pressure may drop. Unless, of course, you want a head wound to match your chest pain! Warning: you may get a SEVERE headache as a normal side effect. The same procedure applies here as for Isuprel: carry a small supply (like 3 tabs) in a small container on your keychain or around your neck (any drugstore will have them). The main supply should be kept in a dark, cool place. Every 4-6 weeks you should replace the small supply so it is fresh and potent when you need it. Anyone out there with an an old bottle of nitroglycerine tabs should get a new one now, and again before the rollover. The usual disclaimers about seeing your doctor, seeking medical attention if 3 tabs do not relieve the chest discomfort apply. Nitroglycerine is a very potent drug. It saves lives if used correctly. Learn CPR if you haven't already, and the signs/symptoms of a heart attack.

BTW Dr. Schenker, thank you for your article on post rollover medicine. I have passed it out to many friends and family members. It is invaluable.

Regarding looking for personnel to join your group....an EMT/Corpsman/ICU nurse may be the ticket for an immediate crisis, but IMHO a good medical surgical nurse may have a more well rounded knowledge base and be a good responder in a crisis; hospice nurses seem to know how to provide care with few supplies.

FYI: Zithromax (azithromycin) is very expensive even in Mexico. Look for Azitrocin (azitromicina). Expect to pay around 320 pesos for one round of treatment.

And don't forget handwashing!!! It's the single most effective way to control the spread of infection and disease. Lots of soap, water and wipes! Good luck to all who post here!

-- Victoria (vrcain@aol.com), July 14, 1999.


One more thought: if you don't have nitroglycerine and suspect heart attack, give the person an aspirin (baby or regular doesn't matter). Have them CHEW it (baby tastes better!) and lay down and rest. Keep an eye on them, be ready to perform CPR. Don't give them anything to eat for several hours, and then only clear liquids until they're stable.

P.S. Save the Silvadene for 2nd/3rd degree burns. It is inexpensive in Mexico...33 pesos for small jar (Sulfadiazina de Plata Crema).

-- Victoria (vrcain@aol.com), July 14, 1999.


Check out www.y2kdoc.com

Excellent information by ER doc.

Bob

-- Bob (janebob99@aol.com), July 14, 1999.


Soap is good - scrubbing is better. Soap is a detergent which can help make washing more effective, but you gotta wash effectively first. Best is a nailbrush to scrub your entire hands - fifteen second workover is enough to make a difference; but use in conjunction with soap if you've got it. Let soap dry between uses too - even put in a tray on the back of the stove - bacteria L.O.V.E living in wet soap.

-- Don Armstrong (darmst@yahoo.com.au), July 14, 1999.

Mumsie, all the little ailments you describe in your family is a direct result of the garbage that the average American eats every day. Just look into peoples grocery baskets and see the boxed, bottled and canned food they feed their kids. Then there is all the chips crap and colored cereal crap, etc. etc. Lady, next time you do grocery shopping, head straight for the produce department and force feed your kids to eat fruit. All these little ailments will go away. Try it, and you will save thousands of dollars in doctor bills!!!!!!!!!

-- Total health (Total@health.com), July 15, 1999.

Yeah, well anyway... my doc gave me a script for keflex [sp?] saying that if we were separated [ which is entirely possible in any given season], it was a good broad spectrum antibiotic. Some of us are allergic to sulfa.

OTC I get guaifenesin syrup, sometimes called super tussin, it loosens the 'rubber cement effect' without a bunch of other stuff at the end of a cold. Haven't used it in awhile, but 'sting kill' has been worthwhile when needed. Don't forget sunscreen, & troll-off.

-- flora (***@__._), July 15, 1999.


I am assuming your advice was kindly meant, and that is how I will take it. I do have friends that are TOTALLY into only what is organic/healthy etc., and they are not 100% immune to all viruses. We try to do the right things, hope for the best, but want to be prepared for "whatever".

-- Mumsie (Shezdremn@aol.com), July 15, 1999.

If you're concerned about virusses, antibiotics kills less that si=x different bacteria. Learn about colloidal silver through your search engine and it will kill over 650 different virusses, bacteria, parasites etc. It even kills the AIDS virus! Thousands of AIDS patients in Calif. have cured themselves. The medical profession does not endorse it because it is a home remedy. They are interested only in remedies that make them money.

By ignoring proven home cures they are killing thousands of their patients every year! The death rate drops in hospitals when doctors go on strike!

www.silversolutions.com will show you how you can make your own antibiotic at home for only pennies! Great for Y2K!!!

Anytime anybody says "my docter this and my doctor that" they have given up the responsibility for their health to someone who only treats unhealthy people and does not teach them how to prevent bad heath.

In fact the doctors have a higher death rate of dying before age 60. Their rich expensive diet is very detrimental to good health. I would never give the responsiblilty of my health to a doctor, who did not know how to be healthy themselves!!!

-- Total health (Total@health.com), July 15, 1999.


Total, with all due respect, this thread was on antibiotics, and especially antibiotics for kids. You've inserted your views three times now, with much arrogance and disdain for traditional medicine, and by attacking people who choose to use it.

If you wish to beat the drum for collodial silver and herbs, please start you own thread and please refrain from attacking people who disagree with you.

-- de (delewis@Xinetone.net), July 15, 1999.


TOTAL HEALTH:

This post is not really directed at you -- you clearly know all you believe you need to know. But rather this is for the other readers/lurkers on this thread.

As ya'll may know, I'm a proponent of colloidal silver for homestead medicine. So you may find my negative critique of TOTAL's reco of C.S. interesting:

1) The URL Total recommends, www.silversolutions.com, is the home of one Mark Metcalf. His info & kit was my intro to C.S. The stuff I made did seem to work (I tried it for mild conditions only.) However, on searching the literature he referenced for his claims on particle size I found they were bogus. Repeated attempts to converse with him on the subject were deadends.

2) I then looked at all of his stuff, apparatus and info, with a more critical eye. His info is mostly regurgitated stuff from elsewhere, the sensational claims undocumented. His claims of C.S. concentration using hi temps did not prove out in my lab. His drawing of his apparatus circuitry did not match the actual circuitry.

3) Then I widened my search. Read all the modern references I could. Found out that the pitch about 650 microorganisms that are not resistant to C.S., the cures of AIDS patients (using only C.S.) -- were claims made by most of the other salesmen in the C.S. market. Documentation was sorely lacking, except for 'testimonials.'

4) However, one or two vendors, here and there were honest and competent. Two of them are CSPro, and Advanced Colloidal Solutions. They market commercial devices. A third, Thomas Miller, marketed devices and kits -- but they are no longer available --- the FDA closed him down. His website is by far the best. He and I became fast friends. BTW, he was the source of the Bio-Electrifier and the Magnetic Pulse Generator. I don't know whether you can still buy them or not (You may still be able to get them under a different name.) The combo of C.S., B-E, and MPG, apparently DOES stop AIDS dead in its tracks. Maybe that's why the FDA closed down Miller, and not the other C.S. vendors.

5) Finally, there's one other person in the field I want to remind you of. He is not a vendor. Roger Altman's posted on TB2000 & other fora -- go read his stuff, all of it topnotch. You can't buy his rigs, but read his info, to increase your confidence level in the use of C.S.

Bottom line: Posts like Total's on C.S. is part of why C.S. has a bad name. Do your own research. Don't take his or my word for its value or its protocols. Go to the website I pointed to (in other TB2000 posts) and do your search on my articles last year (covering C.S., B-E, and MPG's.)

WHEN YOU RUN OUT OF ANTIBIOTICS POST-Y2K YOU MIGHT WANT A BACKUP TOOL. Look into alternatives.

Bill

-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), July 15, 1999.


If you should need more motivation for stocking some antibiotics then go to a video rental store and pick up "The Trigger Effect". I watched it today and an early on scene is a sick child with...no power...no phone...no meds. The movie is a kind of preview of coming attractions.

-- rb (rb@yahoo.com), July 16, 1999.

Thanks to all who contributed many helpful suggestions on medications to store. One additional suggestion which is second-hand, but I consider the source to be reliable. Pick up some nitrofurizone ointment from your farm store. It will be in the horse section. I understand that it was originally developed by the military to treat severe burns.

The fellow who introduced me to it was a veterinarian, and he said every home should have it. Perhaps Doc Bill has some additional insights to add.

gene

-- gene (ekbaker@essex1.com), July 17, 1999.


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