Well, well. You had to go and make me come back Jimmy didn't ya?

Well for you newbies that wonder what the jack is up with the Doughnut TROLL, JBD was our first forum troll, and inspired the very first (and quite sick) Bagga Saga which I will reprint here in its entireity for those wondering what the legend surrounding this incident was all about.

The Bagga Saga is what was instrumental in getting JBD off the forum. Left unchecked for awhile, JBD became increasingly vile and abusive of Diane Squire and felt his insidiousness needed a response that his feeble brain couldn't even comprehend let alone compete with.

I had help writing this saga with some forum regulars (thanx guys!) so the saga was our first "community" attempt at troll control. I do like the fact that you folks can now request troll threads be deleted. SYOPS, if you feel the need to delete this thread, I won't be offended...it is quite vile and I understand the need for decorum. Just a little reminiscing of simpler days. But it was funny.

WARNING: THIS STORY IS NOT FOR THE WEAK OF MIND OR STOMACH. PARENTAL RESTRICTION ADVISED. READ AT YOUR OWN DISCRETION.

[DELETE 07/06/1999--Under New Forum Guidelines--Original Still In The TBY2K Archives--From An Earlier Time--Under Different Posting Guidelines--Sysop #1]

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), July 05, 1999

Answers

Gosh, I suppose I was wrong about you all after all - you really are the more caring lot...

Regards, Andy Ray

-- Andy Ray (andyman633@hotmail.com), July 05, 1999.

DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!

-- Don't (feed@the.trolls!!), July 05, 1999.

Good read INVAR

-- Brian (imager@home.com), July 05, 1999.

I was lurking around this forum when it was released the first time. As good as it ever was I suppose. Sort of sadistic, and yet there was the ummistakable atmosphere of deserved revenege on anybody who would try to pervert the minds of others in a desperate attempt to pacify them with compliancy reports and opinion. I don't personally see the world getting as bad as this story short of a majority of the nukes dropping. But then again I don't know for sure,... and I'll never try to convince anyone otherwise.

This one's for you Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts, live and learn.

Cheers

-- (silently@lurking. at times), July 05, 1999.

Your story sucks just as much the third time around, you demented shithead.

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), July 05, 1999.

Thanks Unc. Coming from you...that means alot. Ditto.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), July 05, 1999.

Quality prep thread for newbies, don't you agree moderators/sysops? Certainly conforms to the forum rules. And good taste to boot! A real winner.

If this regurgitation is an attempt (conspiracy?) by a splinter group of TPTB to make a heavily censored forum more palatable, you just might be successful.

By whatever means necessary? IMO, trolling just isn't that important an issue.

-- Bingo1 (howe9@pop.shentel.net), July 05, 1999.

in,

a little lengthy for me but what do i know. it does remind me of something i read a while back though. i forget who said it but it follows: "It is better to be suspected of being a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

too much time on your hand smooches.

-- corrine l (corrine@iwaynet.net), July 05, 1999.

I see INVARiably STUPId has scuttled out of the dung pile of retirement to bore us once again. Shouldn't you be at home oiling your guns and cowering in your bunker?

"... I believe we'll start seeing [disruptions] by this summer, and I believe they'll continue for at least a year. As many people are now aware, 46 states (along with Australia and New Zealand) will begin their 1999-2000 fiscal year on July 1, 1999; New York (and Canada) will already have gone through their Y2K fiscal rollover on April 1, and the remaining three states begin their new fiscal year on August 1, September 1, and October 1. We also have the GPS rollover problem to look forward to on August 22nd, as well as the Federal government's new fiscal year on October 1st.

There is, of course, some finite probability that all of these rollover events will occur without any problems; but there's also a finite probability that pigs will learn to fly."

-- Ed Yourdon

"So, of course I want to see y2k bring down the system, all over the world. I have hoped for this all of my adult life." -- Gary North

"Do I wish to see the present Federal governmnet completely disemboweled? Yes, absolutely"

-- Paul Milne (fedinfo@halifax.com), July 05, 1999.

-- Y2K Pro (2@641.com), July 06, 1999.

I have yet to see a troll get even 1/2 as nasty as that piece of crap. INVAR, you were sick to write that to begin with. Reposting it made you sick squared.

-- Paul Davis (davisp1953@yahoo.com), July 06, 1999.

HALF as nasty Paul??

You're on drugs. Did you happen top catch JBD's eloquent literary masterpieces he posted yesterday?

Amazing to hear this vitriol from the pollies over a fiction story that is graphic in detail and attacks no one personally (except for the character of JBD: it's his adventure), wherareas they are quite silent when Jimmy Bagga attacks another forum poster with the quaint slangs like "motherf**ker", A**hole and other choice tidbits.

Interesting.

Oh, and Unc, why the hell - if you hated the saga the first time it was posted, would torture yourself to read it for a THIRD time?

Interesting. You don't go by the nickname "Gimp" do you?

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), July 06, 1999.

I'm touched INVAR, truly and deeply touched that you care, maybe there is yet hope for your eternal soul.

I did not read it again, just a quick skim to confirm that yes, it was as sick as I had remembered. The JBD of late is a lame imposter, the true Bagga had a certain panache missing in these latest posts, and it just adds to my suspicion that there is a deliberate effort by someone here to have the forum cry out for censorship, "Save us from the trolls" boo hoo hoo, and I have a stinking feeling that it isn't coming from just the polly camp.

And FWIW I have two nicknames here in Deedahland, one of which is Deedah, the other of which also starts with a D, so I guess that Uncle Gimp aint it. In fact, all five of my limbs work very well.

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), July 06, 1999.

Actually Unc D,

It does "look" to be the old JBD. He has a certain lack of style and invective that I remember well.

As pertains to your comment... "it just adds to my suspicion that there is a deliberate effort by someone here to have the forum cry out for censorship, "Save us from the trolls" boo hoo hoo, and I have a stinking feeling that it isn't coming from just the polly camp."

That occured to me as well, but it doesn't look that way either.

Censorship, IMHO, is when another internet group (Doc Paulie, et. al. at Inside The Web which posts user policies too) trys to shut down a whole forum (on the MIT server), which not only is a violation of the free-sppech rights we hold dear in this country, but his attempted actions, impact a whole lot of other on-going Greenspun forums too...

http:// greenspun.com/bboard/all-forums.tcl

Perhaps they might have some thing to say? About...

"Doc" Paulie tells about effort to remove TB2000 from MIT server

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 0012Bg

Unc, taking out the trash is not Censorship, ...its Moderating.

But, if you go look, the trash is mostly still there. For the record.

Got baggies? Or is that baggas?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), July 06, 1999.

Thanks Paul and about damn time. Squire you cow, you deleted a perfectly harmless note to Dog Gone yet you give your boy toy Invar free reign. You make it too easy for me to expose you for what you are. The original JBD never used profanity, but what would yuoz guys do when some punk with a fake email address threatens you? InVar I hope you caught my reply a few months ago before we were BOTH censored. Jokes for food!

This is for you lurkers. Piggy Squire has a vendetta against JBD because I make her hungry. I'm the only one who is deleted becuase I'm me.

-- Jimmy Bagga Doughnuts (jim1bets@worldnet.att.net), July 06, 1999.

No Jimmy, you're deleted because you are an annoying ASS.

There's nothing personal about it.

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), July 06, 1999.

How about a link or directions to the saga in the archives

-- George in Ne.Pa. (grc0702@aol.com), July 06, 1999.

No, leave them be so they don't get deleted

-- eraserhead (tooquick@yanking.story), July 06, 1999.

For you George:

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch- msg.tcl?msg_id=000LSL

-- INVAR (gundark@sw.net), July 06, 1999.

I hadn't read that incredible piece of nuttiness before. Invar, you are a lunatic at large. Just keep raving on cat shit, and someday someone will come along and cover you up.

Sorry to be so rough on your pet pangolin, Diane. But I remember your touching goodbye when he *said* he was leaving, (liar) and everyone fell all over themselves wishing him a good life. This guy makes trolls look like Bo-Peep.

-- gilda (jess@listbot.com), July 08, 1999.