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Last weekend I was a guest on a local radio program regarding Y2K. At the end, I provided my e-mail address for any who would like further information.

When I sent out my "packet" of information, I indicated that I considered this forum a highly recommended site for information and debate...

Please, lets keep it at that level.

I realize this request has probably been made numerous times.

Those who are just now beginning to research this topic would very likely be dismayed to find it a source of personal attack.

And now, hopefully, I won't be a target myself...

By the way, I would be happy to provide my packet of information to any here who request it. I had offered it before on this forum, but it has been a few months. Therefore, it is also not quite as updated as I would like, since I had temporarily retired from the issue. However, if you would like to see it, I would be glad to send it out.

-- mabel (mabel_louise@yahoo.com), July 05, 1999


The forum is under attack from less than well meaning folk.

"Doc" Paulie tells about effort to remove TB2000 from MIT server

-- Brian (imager@home.com), July 05, 1999.

Mabel, When trying to share Y2k information, I too would encourage people to come to this forum when beginning their research. At this time I no longer do that because of some of the posts. It would be too hard to try to explain who is worth reading and those that sprew forth the garbage.

I still think this is the best place for me to be. Not for the newbie just getting started.

It is a shame.

-- Linda A. (adahi@muhlon.com), July 05, 1999.

Hang in there folks! I know we are all looking forward to seeing the new preparations only forum up and running...

Even with all the clutter, this forum and its archives are still the best place for y2k news, preparation advice and links, and honest and knowledgeable interpretation of the technical aspects of y2k.

-- Lilly (homesteader145@yahoo.com), July 05, 1999.

Agreed, it IS a shame. What we will lose in trying to escape the disruption by starting a second, more heavily moderated preps only forum, is the diversity and depth of philosophy, psychology, politics, economics, etc. that have been shared on this forum. I don't think I'm alone in being done with most of my preps, yet being drawn to this forum (at least as it was, when at its best)for the intelligent conversation regarding Y2K as a mirror. Whatever happens as a result of Y2K, I count this loss as the first.

-- RUOK (RUOK@yesiam.com), July 05, 1999.

Uhhhh, RUOK....This forum is going nowhere. I don't think that you have to worry about missing out on any of the flames, arguements, bickering or any of that other fun stuff just because a more heavily moderated forum is opening. I might be missing something but I can't see where "diversity and depth of philosophy, psychology, politics, economics, etc" really applies to preparations.

I also am just about done with my preps but I will spend much more time at the preparedness forum than here amongst all the BS. I think it's pretty obvious that a forum which is geared more to the serious preparer is a welcome sight. I can see a great benefit to those that want to concentrate more on preparations than scavenging through this current forum in attempt to find tidbits of usable info.

-- Glad to see it (just@say.no), July 05, 1999.


do "preps" include how to handle argumentative types or those who don't see things your way? dealing with those that love/hate our current government? those who love/hate guns? those who gi/dgi? those who feel snickers are a part of survival geer? those who do/don't have religious underpinnings? blah and blah, blah? i think all of these and about a million other topics fall under the category of preps. my hunch is you are already contributing to a forum about "preps only." you just haven't realized i

-- corrine l (corrine@iwaynet.net), July 06, 1999.

Glad to see it,

What makes you think I "worry about missing out on any of the flames, arguments, bickering or any of that other fun stuff"?

With all due respect, the loss I was referring to is the threads and contributors such as this one: Better Days of TB2000

These are the kinds of discussions that have been a casualty of the trolls and disrupters. I don't for one minute believe that such a discussion could ever take place on this forum in its present incarnation. I count that as a major loss. I also agree with you that it is unlikely the new preps-only forum will consider such discussions as "on topic". It saddens me that the new forum may be the only way to escape the BS.

I have no argument with you that a forum for serious preparations will be of great benefit to those who may be newly beginning the work ahead of them. I also continue to believe that a forum for serious discussion of other aspects of Y2K is also of great benefit... unfortunately, such a forum no longer exists.

-- RUOK (RUOK@yesiam.com), July 06, 1999.

RUOK, truly and sincerely spoken by somebody who obviously has done his/her preps. And it must feel good to be ready and waiting. You have not only my congrats, but my envy as well. (Absolutely true.)

But look at it this way: The new forum will keep this current one from getting distracted by prep threads. That way y'all can keep focused on the philosophical rants and rehash about freedom of speech. That's such a new and novel online topic, and my gosh, it's never been debated before on a bbs.

The fact is, dummies like me who didn't catch on earlier are feeling kinda stupid for being behind the game, so we're having to be a bit more serious than we might otherwise. It's the watching-out-for- the-kiddos-and-kiddoettes thing that makes it all feel somewhat important. Sadly, I don't have the time to enjoy the charms of corrine or the wit of a donut. Mostly I skip over those threads, but there's precisely the problem ... the number and quick turnover of threads.

(Say, speaking of corrine, what a doll he is, eh? - but, now, don't anybody feel like a sucker if you've sent him romantic c'mon emails - and that he now has your number - it happens.)


-- IPQ (IdProQuo@aol.com), July 06, 1999.


Just so you know, you and I posted simultaneously above. Didn't see your post before I wrote mine.


-- IPQ (IPQ@aol.com), July 06, 1999.

corrine - In short, no. I would not include those things in my idea of what Y2K preps include. The "preps" you speak of is what I consider to be lessons of life. I learn how to deal with examples such as yours every day of my life (which is why I rarely post) and have been doing so for quite some time. The kind of "preps" that are the topic of the new forum are what I would consider a "specialty item", something that the average person would not experience or learn normally.

Yes, your hunch is correct. I am contributing to a "preps only" forum, but it certainly isn't this one. I have spent well over 1000 hours researching Y2K and preparations. I am more than willing to share what I have learned through research and years of experience to a serious forum. Unfortunately, I don't consider this to be one of them.

RUOK - My remark about flames, arguements, bickering, etc., was sarcasm aimed at this forum and what it has become, not you personally. My apologies for being misleading.

I also apologize for not interpreting your original post correctly. When you stated "What we will lose in trying to escape the disruption by starting a second, more heavily moderated preps only forum.....", I thought you were implying that the new forum would be the cause of losing "....the diversity and depth of philosophy, psychology, politics, economics, etc. that have been shared on this forum", not the "trolls and disrupters".

The thread you mentioned is a worthy and valuable one and I agree that it's not likely that such a thread would be possible today. It is indeed a major loss. It would be nice if all aspects of Y2K could be dicussed within this one forum without disruption by agitators, but it doesn't appear to be possible. It is for that reason that I am glad to see a more controlled and 'clean' environment for a topic as serious as preparations.

Best of luck to you,

-- Glad to see it (just@say.no), July 06, 1999.


Wow. That link you gave was one of the best threads I have ever seen. Some of those posters are still around too.

-- (lurker@home.now), July 06, 1999.


-- -- (..@t.net), July 06, 1999.

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