Reference to a "Sufi" or "Guru" in 1911 who predicted Y2Kgreenspun.com : LUSENET : TimeBomb 2000 (Y2000) : One Thread
About 3 weeks ago, when I first started coming to this NG I saw a very interesting post which I've since tried to find in the old messages, unsuccessfully. It referred to a Suffi or Guru who, in 1911(?) predicted the breakdown of society due to the failure of a system that we had come to depend on. Or something like that. Can anyone help? I'd like to undertake a little research, if I can get the name. Ta ever so. igw
PS Wish I'd happened on this NG a while ago when I first GI. . Some very good stuff. Lot of humour, cynicism, questioning, new imput, and some posters long on ego, short on temper: probably human. Well, almost. I 'specially like the dissenters - trolls? Keep stiring the pot, guys... 'cause we think we know, but nobody really does. Except maybe, that Suffi....
-- igw (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 25, 1999
That would be Andy you refer to. His e-mail addy is:
-- Bingo1 (email@example.com), June 25, 1999.
Andy's on vacation for a couple of weeks. I also found it to be most interesting. I had it written down on a piece of paper, on my desk. The other day, as I was reading an article concerning the NRC's position on the current readiness of the Nuclear Power Industry.....it burst into flames and filled my office with smoke....go figure!!
-- Will continue (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 25, 1999.
"The conveniences and comforts of humanity in general will be linked up by one mechanism, which will produce comforts and conveniences beyond human imagination. But the smallest mistake will bring the whole mechanism to a certain collapse. In this way the end of the world will be brought about." Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan, 1922 (Sufi Prophet)
-- zoobie (email@example.com), June 25, 1999.
Tnx for triggering the response of Zoobie to your request for the quote -- I too had decided to go back, find it, cut/paste it, and stick it up on my CRT's border (I still have room for one eentsie weenie more paste-it.)
I stumbled on the Sufi phenomenon back in '68, at the end of a workshop at Esalen (sp?) Institute, and have dug into it rather intensively off and on since. If you're interested in pursuing the subject further I categorically recommend one avenue: read any book by Idries Shah. There is a CARLOAD of ersatz gurus, groups, and groupies that confuse the issue, both in the East and the West, but especially in the West. Don't ask me for more info -- I could talk for days straight, and I ain't got the time.
I always get a pleasant surprise from your posts, in good part 'cause you retain your sense of humor, which BTW, is a marker you can use to separate the true from the ersatz Sufis -- the foneybaloney aeriefaeries are devoid of that essential quality inside wisdom.
Of course, your 'spontaneous combustion' observation has immediately placed you in the aeriefaerie category by all the literalists on this forum (and any other community where programmers tend to congregate.) Explanation for the observation? Hey, what comes to mind is the punchline from a popular radio program in the '40s, "Baron von Munchausen," or some such -- at the end of each long long tale spun by the protagonist, all of it unbelievable, when questioned by Charles, the 'straight man' on the show. His immediate and unerring response was always: "Oh yeah? Vas YOU dere, Chollie?"
BOTH IGW AND WILL:
Keep the faith. And remember, even if you can't weigh it to the nearest milligram, or measure it with a millivoltmeter -- it may be really there anyhow.
-- William J. Schenker, MD (firstname.lastname@example.org), June 25, 1999.
Many thanks zoobie and everyone igw
-- igw (email@example.com), June 25, 1999.
From Ben Levi, January 7, 1999, with permission ;^)
"> Would you give your permission for us to post your response on the Forum thread about the quote? Validation always helps ;-)
> Thanks for putting us on your Y2K list!
> Gratefully, Ashton & Leska in Cascadia
Sure, go for it. Who knows what it might lead to. :)
Here's the citation:
"The conveniences and comforts of humanity in general will be linked up by one mechanism, which will produce comforts and conveniences beyond human imagination. But the smallest mistake will bring the whole mechanism to a certain collapse. In this way the end of the world will be brought about."
Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan (Complete Works, 1922 I, p. 158-9)
He is the founder of the Sufi order, and I have confirmation from his son, Pir Vilayat Khan, whom I interviewed for a video project which I have just completed the first (of hopefully many) videos. I'll keep you on my Y2K list.
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-- Ashton & Leska in Cascadia (email@example.com), June 25, 1999.