Colloidal silver and agryia

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Hey folks, this is about Y2K, not standard western medicine. I've been a Registered Nurse for 32 years working mostly in Critical Care and I've seen lots of people die of sepsis in spite of massive antibiotics. Colloidal silver works, I've tested it on various infections on myself and my friends and my animals and I'm impressed with the results. Yes it's a heavy metal like lead and although less toxic than lead, in large doses over a long period of time I'm sure it would hurt you in more ways than making your skin grey. The point is that if you take regular antibiotics over a long period of time you will most likly develope what we in the business refer to as Superinfection, a infection usually worse than the one you started taking the antibiotics for in the first place. Silver poured into a wound won't hurt anything and will probably work better than betadine, inhaled in an aerosol it works better than anything I've ever used for a bad cough or pneumonia and you only need 2 or 3 doses. It also works on viruses and antibiotics don't. Taking astragalus, garlic, echinacea, and vit c will help you fight infections and can be taken forever without any side effects. Zeda

-- Zeda (rickster@n-jcenter.com), June 23, 1999

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Thank you Zeda. Considering the potential future options *read: limited*, it is appreciated that professionals are coming forward to give their blessing on alternatives for those that need this kind of assurance. In your own way, you may be saving many lives, but then, isn't that what the medical profession is *supposed* to be about. You have MY gratitude!

-- (mass@delusions.com), June 23, 1999.

Could you point to some web references on colloidal silver (pro and con). I'm curious about the scientific refs, if any.

-- RD. ->H (drherr@erols.com), June 23, 1999.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.ht ml

Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit

Stephen Barrett, M.D.

Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal base. Long-term use of silver preparations can lead to argyria, a condition in which silver salts deposit in the skin, eyes, and internal organs, and the skin turns ashen-gray. Many cases of argyria occurred during the pre-antibiotic era when silver was a common ingredient in nosedrops. When the cause became apparent, doctors stopped recommending their use, and reputable manufacturers stopped producing them. The official drug guidebooks (United States Pharmacopeia and National Formulary) have not listed colloidal silver products since 1975.

Dubious Ads

In recent years, silver-containing products have been marketed with unsubstantiated claims that they are effective against AIDS, cancer, infectious diseases, parasites, chronic fatigue, acne, warts, hemorrhoids, enlarged prostate, and many other diseases and conditions. Some marketers claim that colloidal silver is effective against hundreds of diseases.

During 1998, a Florida-based multilevel company, stated:

Our colloidal silver contains 99.99% pure silver particles suspended indefinitely in demineralized water that kills bacteria and viruses. It can be applied topically and/or absorbed into the blood stream sub-lingually (under the tongue), thereby avoiding the negative effects of traditional antibiotics that kill good bacteria in the lower digestive tract.

An all natural antibiotic alternative in the purest form available. The presence of colloidal silver near a virus, fungi, bacterium or any other single celled pathogen disables its oxygen-metabolism enzyme, its chemical lung, so to say. The pathogens suffocates and dies, and is cleared out of the body by the immune, lymphatic and elimination systems.

Unlike pharmaceutical antibiotics which destroy beneficial enzymes, colloidal silver leaves these beneficial enzymes intact. Thus colloidal silver is absolutely safe for humans, reptiles, plants and all multi-celled living matter.

It is impossible for single-celled germs to mutate into silver-resistant forms, as happens with conventional antibiotics. Also, colloidal silver cannot interact or interfere with other medicines being taken. Colloidal silver is truly a safe, natural remedy for many of mankind's ills. Colloidal silver can be taken indefinitely because the body does not develop a tolerance to it [1]

Seasilver Intermational, a California-based multilevel company, claims that American are suffering from "silver deficiency." Although silver is not an essential nutrient, product information posted on the company's Web site states:

The depletion of minerals in our soil has left us deficient of silver, one of our most essential trace minerals, causing a drastic increase in immune system disorders in our society in the last decade. Research has taught us that all disease is allowed to manifest itself because of a weakened immune system. In over 20 years of worldwide research on Colloidal Silver, numerous interviews with government agencies, health care practitioners and their patients, no other nutrient, herb or drug (prescription or over-the-counter) is as safe and effective against all known forms of unfriendly virus, bacteria, and fungus. Additionally, while it is generally known that most antibiotics kill only perhaps 6 or 7 different disease organisms, reports have shown that Colloidal Silver has been used successfully in the treatment of over 650 diseases! Furthermore, strains of disease organisms fail to develop in the presence of Colloidal Silver. Colloidal Silver's greatest attribute is its unique ability to function as a superior second immune system in the body! [2]

The ad below is from the July 1996 issue of Alternative Medicine Digest.

Critical Studies

In 1995, an herbal distributor named Leslie Taylor tested nine commonly marketed colloidal silver products available at health-food stores and concluded:

Two of the products were contaminated with microorganisms. The amount of silver suspended in solution varied from product to product and would gradually decrease over time. Only five products actually showed antibacterial activity in a laboratory test. To perform the test, she prepared a culture plate with Staphylococcus aureas bacteria, which can cause infections in humans. She then placed a drop from each product on the plate and used disks of two common antibiotics as controls. After eight hours of incubation, she found that bacterial growth had been inhibited around the antibiotics and four of the products.

Of course, the fact that a product inhibits bacteria in a laboratory culture doesn't mean it is effective (or safe) in the human body. In fact, products that kill bacteria in the laboratory would be more likely to cause argyria because they contain more silver ions that are free to deposit in the user's skin. .

FDA laboratory studies have found that the amount of silver in some product samples has varied from 15.2% to 124% of the amount listed on the product labels. The amount of silver required to produce argyria is unknown. However, the FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3].

In October 1996, the FDA proposed to ban the use of colloidal silver or silver salts in over-the-counter products [4]. To access the full text of this announcement, search the Federal Register for "colloidal silver."

References

1. The company (Changes International) is no longer in the supplement business. 2. Seasilver International Product Information, downloaded October 12, 1998. 3. Fung MC, Bowen DL. Silver products for medical indications: risk-benefit assessment. Journal of Toxicology and Clinical Toxicology 34:119-26, 1996. 4. Federal Register 61:53685-53688, 1996.

For Further Information

Rosemary Jacobs, an argyria victim, has made a detailed study of the colloidal silver marketplace and is willing to answer questions. In March 1998, she filed suit charging that a California-based colloidal silver marketer and other unnamed defendants had falsely advertised their product(s). The suit was brought under a special California law that permits an individual to act as a "private attorney general."

Quackwatch

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), June 08, 1999

-- Cherri (sams@brigadoon.com), June 24, 1999.


"Subject: Colloidal silver and agryia....I've been a Registered Nurse for 32 years working mostly in Critical Care...." and misspelled ARGYRIA twice, once in the title box. Colloidal silver posts always pop up shortly after Schenker and/or Altman post a message, then they tell you how to buy it from DOCTOR Roger Altman, recommended by William Schenker, the MD. Antibiotics can be good for 2-4 years if kept in the coolest spot in the house (also dry and dark). Get vet antibiotics if your doctor won't prescribe them. Pills in bubble packs lasts longer than loose pills in containers.

-- Huckster (alert@con.com), June 24, 1999.

Huckster, and what do you suggest people do when the antibiotics no longer work? It is well documented that multiple new strains of bacteria are thwarting the effectiveness of all known antibiotics. It is the rampant use of antibiotics in dairy products and meat, as well as overprescribing that is creating this problem. It's only going to get worse. So, whatcha gonna do?????

-- (mass@delusions.com), June 24, 1999.


Make Your own Silver solution for about 5 cents and try it in different strengths, forget references, the stuff works. I am 54 years old and have "been around the block" a time or 2 and there is alot of "medicine" out there that is far more scary than colloidal silver but the drug companies make millions on them and bury the evidence of there failures. Zeda

-- Zeda (rickster@n-jcenter.com), June 24, 1999.

I see a lot of scare tactics here. What I don't see is hard evidence that colloidal silver causes argyria. If anyone can produce DIRECT evidence linking colloidal silver to argyria then do it. Anything less is just speculation and should be treated as such.

As far as Dr. Bill Schenker is concerned, there is NO ONE on this forum or any other who has done more to help individuals prepare medically as well as many other ways for Y2k. Cynical comments about Bill's intentions demonstrates your ignorance about his selfless contributions over the last two years.

Roger Altman

-- Dr. Roger Altman (rogaltman@aol.com), June 24, 1999.


Zeda, How does one make CS of 5 cents???

-- -. (dit@dot.dash), June 24, 1999.

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-- -. (dit@dot.dash), June 24, 1999.

Colloidal silver is easy to make, it is nothing more than silver ions in distilled water. You can make it as strong or weak as you want, just increase the time you run it or the temp of the water and you get a stronger solution. Get a quart glass jar, (silver sticks to soft plastic), 1 foot of heavy pure silver wire, a gallon of steam distilled water thats not ozonated if possible, (4) 9 volt batteries that you connect in series (pos-neg-pos-neg etc)and 2 wires with alligator clips on each end. Fill the jar to almost the top with warm distilled water, put some cardboard over the top and poke 2 holes big enough for the wires about 1 inch apart,( try to keep the wires about 1 inch apart in the sol)and connect the positive and neg terminals to the battery and wires, run it for 15-20 minutes and you have a good medium strength silver solution. Any questions ? feel free to e-mail me, rickster@n- jcenter.com Zeda

-- Zeda (rickster@n-jcenter.com), June 24, 1999.


ZEDA:

Tnx for starting this thread, and your followup info. For the benefit of Newbies, there is extensive elaboration of the setup you describe, in posts I wrote 1 1/2 years ago. The elaboration corrects some flagrant errors by certain C.S. 'salesmen' on the Net, and describes important construction details for a homebrew C.S. generator. If interested go to -- y2k.entrewave.com -- click on "Options" and do a search for "Schenker" or "Colloidal Silver." In particular read the "March 24th Update" (1998) post.

Finally, a tidbit for the cynics on this thread: I believe I have convinced Roger Altman NOT TO TOUCH MARKETING HIS GENERATOR OR HIS PRODUCT ON THE NET OR ANYWHERE ELSE, if for no other reason than the FDA goonies are out to get anyone peddling the stuff.

**** Nevertheless, the cynics are correct about my motives, Roger's motives, and even your's Zeda: we three are deeply linked in a kickback scheme that reaps us scads of loot with all these scandalous C.S. sales. They may wonder why a 73-yearold doc would still be so interested in the profit motive. Simple: I'm building a stash to send to President Milasovek, so he can defend himself in the upcoming War Crimes Trial. In return he promises to send me incarcerated refugees so I can continue with my "nazi-like experiments" as one imaginative flamer described me in a thread recently. ******

Bill

-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), June 24, 1999.


I too have had excellent results with CS. And, only take it when needed. (Would you take antibiotics forever?) Got my own generator rcently. One question. What is the ideal temperature for the distilled water? (Determines particle size.) Shivani

-- Shivani Arjuna (S Arjuna@aol.com), June 24, 1999.

Bill!! Why did you spill the beans? Now we'll not only have the FDA after us, but the FBI and Secret Service as well. Can't you keep ANYTHING secret?

R. (You see how careful I am now, I'm not even putting my whole name)

-- Dr. Roger Altman (rogaltman@aol.com), June 25, 1999.


SHIVANI:

"What is the ideal temperature for the distilled water? (Determines particle size.)"

The above question stems from the literature of a C.S. huckster named Mark Metcalf. I had a conversation or two with him, & then he never further responded. So I did the research myself. Tried generating C.S. at the temps he recommended. Measured the concentration resulting (and other objective parameters) --- never found a significant increase in concentration. Also, Mark's claim about particle size is inconfirmed (The reference he gave me for that claim is non-existent: go check your local scientific library and see for yourself.)

On the other hand Roger Altman is a retired metallurgical chemist -- that means he knows a thing or two about metals. If he has the time and the inclination he may want to respond further to your request.

In any event, good luck with your use of C.S.,

Bill

-- William J. Schenker, MD (wjs@linkfast.net), June 26, 1999.


With regard to the ideal temperature, the higher the temperature the better the conductivity of the water. In general, you want to avoid raising water conductivity because it usually means that you have instigated competing reactions which significantly inhibits colloidal silver production rate.

-- Dr. Roger Altman (rogaltman@aol.com), June 26, 1999.


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