I think I get it or Im not a rocket scientist but know how to launch them

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I have time on my hands.

Please tell me if Im missing some points.

1. Y2K stems from a year miscalculation.

2. Some computers wont know the correct year. (The rest dont care what year it is.)

3. All computers (hardware, software or embeddeds) will fail, if not remediated.

4. Not enough time to remediate (and besides all projects come in late).

5. So with the above statements, we can conclude, all computer that wont know the correct year will fail.

6. Everything depends on computers (hardware, software or embeddeds).

7. Everything is interconnected.

8. This interconnected world has a breaking point, that is, a number a failures that would cause collapse.

9. That breaking point is less than or equal to the number of computers that need to know the correct year and wont be able to know the correct year (from statement 5).

10. Taking statement 5 with statement 9, the number of failures will break our interconnected world and we can conclude doom.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 23, 1999

Answers

Maria... Only will be doom if you are not prepared. If you haven't started yet, you will need to put most all the rest of your life on hold to get ready. Lot's of great people here to help you out. Suggest looking through the archives first and get your head thinking. Good Luck.

-- steve (steve@NWMo.com), June 23, 1999.
Don't feel bad about this, Steve, but Maria is laughing at you right now. Maria is a troll who's been around a long time. She thinks her post is humorous.

-- Vic (Rdrunner@internetwork.net), June 23, 1999.
Steve you may want to check the archives yourself Maria has been around for awhile.

-- Johnny (JLJTM@BELLSOUTH.NET), June 23, 1999.
Hey!

-- Vic (Rdrunner@internetwork.net), June 23, 1999.
Lets see if that clears the text up

-- Brian (imager@home.com), June 23, 1999.
off

-- null (null@null.null), June 23, 1999.

Hmmm...

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), June 23, 1999.

off again

-- null (null@null.null), June 23, 1999.
off one last time (geez, how many font commands can one person use?)

-- null (null@null.null), June 23, 1999.
That wasn't Maria.

-- Lisa (lisa@work.now), June 23, 1999.
I sincerely hope she is not laughing. If she is laughing i hope she does not have any children or elderly parents that starve to death because they are dependent on her. Is this fun yet?

-- steve (steve@NWMo.com), June 23, 1999.
Troll alert!!!

Don't waste your time.

-- ariZONEa (trolls_grasp@straws.com), June 23, 1999.

Good ol' HTML. The PDL with ATTITUDE...

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), June 23, 1999.

What a mess!

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), June 23, 1999.
Well, that took care of part of it...

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), June 23, 1999.
Maybe if I try this...

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), June 23, 1999.
Yeah, Gayla! Nothing like 120 end-switches and then a "hard reset" to the correct size to fix the problem! 8-}]

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), June 23, 1999.
Hi Mac! Manual work-arounds, right? :-) Maria already started another thread, anyway.

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), June 23, 1999.
Yeah, and the accusations of "troll-hood" are flying!

-- Mac (sneak@lurk.hid), June 23, 1999.
Marias new thread...

Something went wrong in the previous thread

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id= 000zaN



-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), June 23, 1999.

Fancy this . . . an HTML mess and I had nothing to do with it! :-)



-- David (David@BankPacman.com), June 23, 1999.

For David:

Welcome back! Glad you had fun at the beach! I hope I did that right! :-)

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), June 23, 1999.

Thanks Gayla!! Got the message. Pretty cool! Took me a while to see it. I first looked at it using the Control-U function to view the source. Then I saw how you have to hold down your cursor as if to copy the text in order to view the message. Look here --> people probably think we're off our rocker if they don't take the time to look for the hidden message. BTW, our 18 month old, Matthew, just decided to start going to the potty. Don't know yet if this is a false start or if he's serious about potty training. Let's hope. Now that's a good reason to use white font. Who'd want to read that?? Later.

-- David (David@BankPacman.com), June 23, 1999.
Well I'll be dipped in sh....ugar. If that ain't the trick of the month, I dont know what is. My hat is off to you.

-- Unc D (unkeed@yahoo.com), June 23, 1999.
That's cool. Hey, I looked back through the polly threads, and it turnes out they've been using this technique to send hidden messages! Use the shift key to see what I found in this post from Mutha:

Mutha said:

You doomers are IDIOTS!!!!!!!
CPR? CPR are you there? I'm scared shitless CPR!
Y2K is a money making HOAX perpetrated by Yourdonefor!!!! They are right about almost everything! We pollies aren't fooling them!
 Soon you doomers will be feeling REALLY stupid for buying 10 years worth of soy protein! FOOLS! And my paycheck from Koskinen was late again! Did you get yours? Doc Paulie said he thinks its a Y2K problem at the bank!
Ta-ta!!

-- a (a@a.a), June 23, 1999.

Hey Maria, by the way, how DO you launch a rocket? I'm not talking about your garden variety, hobby shop rockets, I'm talking about real rockets. With trajectories, ballistics, solid and liquid propellents, GPS guided flight paths etc. etc.

It's not so easy to sound smart now is it? Oh I always knew you were a smartass, know-it-all (know-nothing) troll but I figured I'd throw this in here just for kicks. Just to prove that even when you try and attempt to be humorous it just winds up being lame.

-- (maria@sucks.com), June 23, 1999.

LOL... now THAT's funny a (a@a.a)!

Hummm. Wonder what Super Polly's big blank space says?

Diane

-- Diane J. Squire (sacredspaces@yahoo.com), June 23, 1999.

Exactly what would you like to know? I wont go into the way one goes about finding the right launch window. I assume you already how to do that. Ok so you want to know about propulsion systems. Again Im making a guess here but Ill start from the beginning. The beginning actually starts with newtons laws of motion; you do remember those, right? From these laws we can conclude that exhaust = thrust. Now given the weight (actually mass) of the vehicle, the ambient pressure, the cross section of the nozzle (where the gases exit), and the velocity of the gases we can determine the require thrust. Sorry I cant put the equation in a nice format for you but your intelligence can pick up on the terminology used, right?

Now we have somewhat of a dilemma, since we actually have to lift the propellant as well as our space vehicle. Thats why three stages were designed. As the propellant burns, that stage can be ejected making the total mass small and thus increasing the vehicle velocity. Do you want me to go into the different types of propellant, solid and liquid? Do you want me to explain the basic shapes of solid propellants and the optimum shape. Some shapes burn too quickly and could ignite the space vehicle we want to launch and OTOH, some dont burn fast enough to reach optimum escape velocity. I could get into these equations for you but they are hard to print up in these fonts. The major components of these propellants include: nitrocellulose, nitroglycerine, diethyl phthalate, potassium nitrate, diphenylamine, and nigrosine dye. In liquid propellents, you need to separate the fuel from the oxidizer, then mix it at the correct rate and control the burn. A little more complicated and maybe that's why they aren't used as much as the solid ones.

FWIW I think the propellant used for GPS was solid. I dont believe they use liquid in many launches any more.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 23, 1999.

Now look what you've done Mrs. Dunbar! You've opened to proverbial Pandora's box. This could really add a new dimension to reading posts. It's hard enough looking for real meaning in many posts much less hidden meaning.

Hey Gayla, tell Crystal she's got a secret message on the forum . . . Hey Crystal, your Mom likes to cause trouble. I hope you're not as ornery as she is. :-))

-- David (David@BankPacman.com), June 23, 1999.

fixing the font color . . .

-- Just (Trying@To.Help), June 23, 1999.
yEs!!!!!!!! qUESTIonS-r-DIEtER!!!!

iS IT beTTeR To gET THe onE THaT LooKS LiKE a tIE FIghTER?????? Or shOULd dIETer GET tHE One tHAT LooKS LiKE THe uSS ENterPRiSe?????? iS BAlsA BeTTeR THaN PLasTIc??????

tHANk yoU!!!!!!!!

gOOd moRNiNg!!!!

-- Dieter (questions@toask.com), June 23, 1999.

VERY funny, David! Well, Crystal thought so anyway! And she said to tell you that she is NOT as ornery as me. (That's probably true!) :-) BTW, thank you for the "potty" report. You remind me of B. J. Honeycutt on Mash.

Hey, a, we could probably drive THEM crazy! :-)

-- Gayla Dunbar (privacy@please.com), June 23, 1999.

Maria- How delightful that you can complete your assignments, and spelled correctly, so unlike Cherri...Now your next project is to refute items 1,2,3,4,6,7,8,10 with cold hard facts.

-- Gia (Laureltree7@hotmail.com), June 23, 1999.
Gia, I see you left out number 5. Good, 5 is a conclusion based on the previous statements. Now why did you leave out 9 when you should have left out 10. 10 is a conclusion and IMO 9 is the heart of the Y2K issue. 9 obviously can't be proven and is left as an exercise to the reader.

1. Y2K stems from a year miscalculation. - True Do you actually need proof?

2. Some computers wont know the correct year. (The rest dont care what year it is.) - True. Examples of these are systems which sort dates or determine delta t. I do not include those systems which merely display dates. That's not what is meant by year calculation.

3. All computers (hardware, software or embeddeds) will fail, if not remediated. - True However I assume that some of these may have viable work arounds.

4. Not enough time to remediate (and besides all projects come in late). - I'll call this a half-truth. We remediated code (only 3% left to finish as of the end of May)

5. So with the above statements, we can conclude, all computer that wont know the correct year will fail. - Valid conclusion based on the facts (and one not so fact) above.

6. Everything depends on computers (hardware, software or embeddeds). - True I had to think about this one but came to the conclusion that this is true if we consider an indirect dependence. All businesses depend on communications which in turn depends on computers.

7. Everything is interconnected. - True, if we consider upstream and downstream. However I also assume that redundancy plays in this interconnectedness and there are also alternative options for suppliers.

8. This interconnected world has a breaking point, that is, a number a failures that would cause collapse. - This is where the doomer logic breaks down IMO. We can't model this interconnected world; we have no clue what the breaking point is, where the single points of failure are, and the number of redundant paths in this network.

9. That breaking point is less than or equal to the number of computers that need to know the correct year and wont be able to know the correct year (from statement 5). - Again we have no data to draw any conclusions; we don't know how many systems that are year dependent won't be remediated in time.

10. Taking statement 5 with statement 9, the number of failures will break our interconnected world and we can conclude doom. - We all reach our own conclusions based on our experiences and knowledge.

Did I pass?

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 23, 1999.

Or ShoUlD DieTer get ThE OnE THaT LooKS LiKE THe spaCE shUTTLe?????? HoW HiGH Do tHEY gO?????? wHAt mAKeS THe pARachUTe cOMe Out????? shOUld dIETeR PaINt it??????

BALsA Or plASTIc???????

-- Dieter (questions@toask.com), June 23, 1999.

Oh well gee Maria, yeah that just about does it. Hmm, let's see, I guess if I went and grabbed the Encyclopedia off the shelf and flipped to the R section I could point out some facts too. But your "length" description about rockets leaves alot to the imagination. I doubt you'll be working for NASA anytime soon.

But one thing is clear, you could easily launch a thousand ships with all the hot air that comes out of your mouth. Does it make you feel like someone special to be such a conceited jerk? Oh well, of course it does... otherwise you wouldn't be doing it.

But in case you need to do some more research on the subject and show the world what a little-miss-smarty-pants you are I'll pose another question.

If we tied you to the tip of a SCUD rocket and launched your self centered ass towards Isreal do you think it might balance it enough to actually hit the designated target?

-- (maria@sucks.and has an attitude), June 23, 1999.

Well, frankly my dear it looks like you have an attitude. Did you actually go to the Encyclopedia off the shelf and flipped to the R section to find an answer to your question? Scud missiles do not have the rockets I was talking about. They don't actually need to escape the earth's gravitational pull but it looks like you already know that. I see you've escaped the earth's pull on many occasions. Let me know how the landing is when you return.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 23, 1999.
And BTW you may not have seen it on other threads but I have a Master's Degree in Space Operations. So in this case I do know what I'm talking about. Unlike you, I refrain from topics when I don't know about them.

I also wanted to say in regard to 10: it's not the "I can see the rabit" logic that supports conclusions. Doomers so want to believe that they have superior mental agility.

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 23, 1999.

Ah, I'm glad you brought that point up because you certaintly don't want to brag or anything...

-- (maria@sucks.com), June 24, 1999.
No I don't want to brag but you seem to insist that I found this stuff in that book you hold in your hand. I worked very hard to get that degree and frankly I deserve to have this attitude and some bragging rights. Sorry if I make you feel so inferior.

-- Maria (Maria947@hotmail.com), June 24, 1999.
Hey maria -- I didn't know Estes Aerospace Club offered a MS in Space Operations. :)

-- a (a@a.a), June 24, 1999.
Oh... so you ARE a rocket scientist huh? Well I guess it was either a throw up between you being an idiot or you being a liar. I guess your a liar. And a self serving, egotistical, BAD liar at that.

-- (maria@sucks.com), June 24, 1999.
a, annull your marriage and move to Texas. Now.(just realized yesterday that..well, the hubcap reference clued me in!!!)(just kidding about the annullment)

Holdin' up OK, Maria? Need any help? Lemme know....

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 24, 1999.

Maria sucks, do you have a small wee wee? Too bad.

Lisa, no I'm fine. Thanks for asking. So, you really DO like this a character?

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 24, 1999.

Good old avoidance from the master of trolling... "do you have a small wee wee? too bad"

Gee, I guess that would be hmm, penis envy? Well whatever, I'm sick of adding fuel to your fire of vanity. Have a nice day and the next time you try pulling your trollish threads don't be surprised if people see right through you.

-- (maria@sucks.big time), June 24, 1999.

Maria sucks, you couldn't see through a clear glass of water two feet in front of you. You want to discuss anything and stop playing with that little wee wee of yours, you can reach me at the address below (it's real).

-- Maria (maria947@hotmail.com), June 24, 1999.
I thought I said I was done stroking your ego...

-- (maria@sucks.worse than ever), June 24, 1999.
Maria,

This little pecker is obviously upset because you called it's bluff. It thought it knew what it was talking about. Feel sorry for it............ it doesn't know any better than to call everything it doesn't understand a lie and those that attempt to explain a liar. Somehow makes it feel better........go figure!! I think lisa wants to play with it now.

Hope things are going well with you and yours.

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), June 24, 1999.

Thanks Deano, I'll be going on vacation next week, leaving these little trolls on their own. Hope things are going well with you too!

-- Maria (anon@ymous.com), June 24, 1999.
Deano - que?

-- lisa (lisa@work.now), June 24, 1999.
Maria - Good for you! I'm taking the week July 4th myself. NEED IT BADLY. Clean management, due diligence archiving, examiners...... quite honestly, I'll be glad when this damn project is OVER! Other than that things are going pretty good. THANKS!

Lisa - it almost looked like you were defending it. But I can't imagine even a doomer being proud of that.........whatever it was. Just joshin' really.

Deano

-- Deano (deano@luvthebeach.com), June 24, 1999.

OT - Did anybody ever answer Dieter's questions?

____

Maria - I didn't follow your comment about solid boosters for GPS. What did you mean there?

-- Robert A. Cook, PE (Kennesaw, GA) (cook.r@csaatl.com), June 24, 1999.

Let's see, deano...polly, maria...polly troll

Am I surprised that they stick up for each other? No

Am I an IT? No

Am I going to point out that Maria herself admited to starting this thread in jest? Well, yeah...it was so obvious that I don't think it needed to be pointed out but hey what is the harm?

I hope you don't think you hurt my feelings because take it from me you didn't. You can crack all the "wee wee" jokes you want but maria is still a lying troll and deano is still a lying troll's buddy.

Bye kids

-- (maria@and deano. both suck), June 24, 1999.

Dieter, liebling, balsa. Then you can use a rubber band motor and fly it off the grid.

-- Old Git (anon@spamproblems.com), June 24, 1999.
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